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Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 12 January 2015

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Alan Stearns, Ayla Stein, Ben De Meester, Bill Kasdorf, Charles LaPierre, Dave Cramer, Deborah Kaplan, Heather Flanagan, Ivan Herman, Karen Myers, Laura Fowler, Liam Quin, Liza Daly, Luc Audrain, Madi Solomon, Markus Gylling, Michael Miller, Peter Krautzberger, Phil Madans, Robert Sanderson, Shinyu Murakami, Susann Keohane, Thierry Michel, Tzviya Siegman, Unknown kwkbtr, Vladimir Levantovsky
Regrets
Charles LaPierre, Bill Kasdorf, Alan Stearns, Ivan Herman, Peter Krautzberger, Phil Madans, Luc Audrain, Unknown Cole, Laura Fowler, Susann Keohane, Michael Miller
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Tzviya Siegman
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15:58:46 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-irc

16:00:17 <mgylling> trackbot, start telecon

Markus Gylling: trackbot, start telecon

16:00:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public

16:00:21 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be dpub

16:00:21 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM already started

16:00:22 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
16:00:22 <trackbot> Date: 12 January 2015
16:00:29 <Zakim> +dauwhe

Zakim IRC Bot: +dauwhe

16:00:39 <Zakim> +azaroth

Zakim IRC Bot: +azaroth

16:00:42 <Zakim> -??P12

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P12

16:00:49 <mgylling> regrets: Charles LaPierre, Bill Kasdorf, Alan Stearns, Ivan Herman, Peter Krautzberger, Phil Madans, Luc Audrain, Tim Cole, Laura Fowler, Susanne Keohane, Michael Miller

Scribe problem: the name 'Tim Cole' does not match any of the 85 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki

16:00:54 <Zakim> +Vlad

Zakim IRC Bot: +Vlad

16:00:56 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers

Zakim IRC Bot: -Karen_Myers

16:00:56 <Zakim> +??P12

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12

16:01:15 <Zakim> +??P9

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9

16:01:21 <HeatherF> I'm usually IP_Caller (or some such thing) to start - not sure how to fix it since I came on before the trackbot?

Heather Flanagan: I'm usually IP_Caller (or some such thing) to start - not sure how to fix it since I came on before the trackbot?

16:01:24 <Zakim> +Markus

Zakim IRC Bot: +Markus

16:01:31 <shinyu> Zakim, ??P9 is me

Shinyu Murakami: Zakim, ??P9 is me

16:01:31 <Zakim> +shinyu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +shinyu; got it

16:01:35 <Zakim> +[Ugent]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[Ugent]

16:01:36 <kwkbtr> Zakim, +??P12 is me

Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown kwkbtr: Zakim, +??P12 is me

16:01:37 <Zakim> sorry, kwkbtr, I do not recognize a party named '+??P12'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, kwkbtr, I do not recognize a party named '+??P12'

16:01:41 <bjdmeest> zakim, Ugent is me

Ben De Meester: zakim, Ugent is me

16:01:41 <Zakim> +bjdmeest; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bjdmeest; got it

16:01:46 <Zakim> -??P12

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P12

16:01:47 <azaroth> Morning :)

Robert Sanderson: Morning :)

16:01:52 <bjdmeest> Present+ Ben_De_Meester

Ben De Meester: Present+ Ben_De_Meester

16:01:56 <Zakim> +??P12

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12

16:02:04 <kwkbtr> Zakim, +?PP12 is me

Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown kwkbtr: Zakim, +?PP12 is me

16:02:04 <Zakim> sorry, kwkbtr, I do not recognize a party named '+?PP12'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, kwkbtr, I do not recognize a party named '+?PP12'

16:02:13 <kwkbtr> Zakim, ?PP12 is me

Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown kwkbtr: Zakim, ?PP12 is me

16:02:13 <Zakim> sorry, kwkbtr, I do not recognize a party named '?PP12'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, kwkbtr, I do not recognize a party named '?PP12'

16:02:21 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers

Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen_Myers

16:02:22 <kwkbtr> Zakim, PP12 is me

Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown kwkbtr: Zakim, PP12 is me

16:02:22 <Zakim> sorry, kwkbtr, I do not recognize a party named 'PP12'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, kwkbtr, I do not recognize a party named 'PP12'

16:02:33 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?

Markus Gylling: zakim, who is here?

16:02:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Safari], [Safari.a], Tzviya, [IPcaller], dauwhe, azaroth, Vlad, shinyu, Markus, bjdmeest, ??P12, Karen_Myers

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see [Safari], [Safari.a], Tzviya, [IPcaller], dauwhe, azaroth, Vlad, shinyu, Markus, bjdmeest, ??P12, Karen_Myers

16:02:33 <kwkbtr> Zakim, ??P12 is me

Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown kwkbtr: Zakim, ??P12 is me

16:02:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see bjdmeest, Vlad, tmichel, HeatherF, RRSAgent, Zakim, aylaStein, shinyu, liza, tzviya, azaroth, kwkbtr, mgylling, dauwhe_, rego, Karen, liam, dkaplan3, astearns, iank__,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bjdmeest, Vlad, tmichel, HeatherF, RRSAgent, Zakim, aylaStein, shinyu, liza, tzviya, azaroth, kwkbtr, mgylling, dauwhe_, rego, Karen, liam, dkaplan3, astearns, iank__,

16:02:36 <Zakim> ... mihnea_____, plinss, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... mihnea_____, plinss, trackbot

16:02:36 <Zakim> +kwkbtr; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +kwkbtr; got it

16:02:39 <Zakim> +??P26

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26

16:02:41 <dkaplan3> Zakim, Safari is me

Deborah Kaplan: Zakim, Safari is me

16:02:41 <Zakim> +dkaplan3; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dkaplan3; got it

16:02:51 <tmichel> zakim, ??P26 is me

Thierry Michel: zakim, ??P26 is me

16:02:51 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +tmichel; got it

16:03:05 <liza> Zakim, Safari.a is me

Liza Daly: Zakim, Safari.a is me

16:03:06 <Zakim> +liza; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +liza; got it

16:03:08 <tzviya> scribenick: tzviya

(Scribe set to Tzviya Siegman)

16:03:23 <Zakim> + +1.217.300.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.217.300.aaaa

16:04:18 <aylaStein> That's Ayla Stein

Ayla Stein: That's Ayla Stein

16:04:20 <kwkbtr> Thank you!

Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown kwkbtr: Thank you!

16:04:22 <tzviya> kwbtr: joining from Vivliostyle for first time

Scribe problem: the name 'kwbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown kwbtr: joining from Vivliostyle for first time

16:04:25 <mgylling> zakim, aaaa is Ayla

Markus Gylling: zakim, aaaa is Ayla

16:04:25 <Zakim> +Ayla; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ayla; got it

16:04:29 <mgylling> * Approval of last week's minutes [1]

Markus Gylling: * Approval of last week's minutes [1]

16:04:30 <mgylling> * Cancel call next week? (MLK day in US)

Markus Gylling: * Cancel call next week? (MLK day in US)

16:04:31 <mgylling> * Move to public wiki: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/W3C_specs_for_DPUB

Markus Gylling: * Move to public wiki: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/W3C_specs_for_DPUB

16:04:32 <mgylling> * Houdini project: digital publishing requirements

Markus Gylling: * Houdini project: digital publishing requirements

16:04:35 <kwkbtr> This is Toru Kawakubo from Vivliostyle

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Unknown kwkbtr: This is Toru Kawakubo from Vivliostyle

16:04:40 <tzviya> Welcome Vivliostyle!

Welcome Vivliostyle!

16:05:18 <tzviya> last week's minutes: http://www.w3.org/2014/12/22-dpub-minutes.html

last week's minutes: http://www.w3.org/2014/12/22-dpub-minutes.html

16:05:20 <Zakim> +madi

Zakim IRC Bot: +madi

16:05:21 <tzviya> approved

approved

16:05:31 <aylaStein> Yes

Ayla Stein: Yes

16:05:36 <liza> Safari's off

Liza Daly: Safari's off

16:05:40 <HeatherF> No preference on my part.

Heather Flanagan: No preference on my part.

16:05:48 <azaroth> sadly, Stanford is open

Robert Sanderson: sadly, Stanford is open

16:05:49 <Karen> MIT is closed

Karen Myers: MIT is closed

16:05:54 <aylaStein> UIUC is closed

Ayla Stein: UIUC is closed

16:05:58 <Vlad> Monotype is closed

Vladimir Levantovsky: Monotype is closed

16:06:03 <tzviya> MLK day in USA: cancel meeting

MLK day in USA: cancel meeting

16:06:57 <tzviya> topic: W3C publications relevant to publishing

1. W3C publications relevant to publishing

16:07:31 <tzviya> Markus: Thierry and Ivan recommend moving https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/W3C_specs_for_DPUB to public wiki

Markus Gylling: Thierry and Ivan recommend moving https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/W3C_specs_for_DPUB to public wiki

16:08:21 <tzviya> tmichel: currently, the document is on DPUB IG wiki, question is whether to move this to public wiki that is editable by anyone with an account

Thierry Michel: currently, the document is on DPUB IG wiki, question is whether to move this to public wiki that is editable by anyone with an account

16:08:44 <tzviya> ...or should we keep it restricted to W3C/DPUB IG members?

...or should we keep it restricted to W3C/DPUB IG members?

16:09:20 <tzviya> ...and, is IG satisfied with content?

...and, is IG satisfied with content?

16:09:52 <tzviya> markus: if one of us would like to update, we can edit in the wiki

Markus Gylling: if one of us would like to update, we can edit in the wiki

16:10:08 <tzviya> tmichel: we will keep an eye on it if it is a public space

Thierry Michel: we will keep an eye on it if it is a public space

16:10:49 <tmichel> review the document until the next call

Thierry Michel: review the document until the next call

16:10:51 <tmichel> +1

Thierry Michel: +1

16:11:05 <aylaStein> +1

Ayla Stein: +1

16:11:07 <bjdmeest> +1

Ben De Meester: +1

16:11:11 <liza> +1

Liza Daly: +1

16:11:49 <tmichel> next call in two weeks

Thierry Michel: next call in two weeks

16:11:58 <tzviya> markus: homework for IG to review/edit the document until next call, at which point we will make public

Markus Gylling: homework for IG to review/edit the document until next call, at which point we will make public

16:12:01 <liza> I'll volunteer to explicitly review it

Liza Daly: I'll volunteer to explicitly review it

16:12:20 <tmichel> People should also voice if they are not satisfied with moving the document to a public wiki

Thierry Michel: People should also voice if they are not satisfied with moving the document to a public wiki

16:12:31 <tzviya> topic: project Houdini

2. project Houdini

16:12:40 <liza> (I'd like to write a blog post with some narrative around it when it's public anyway, so this will be good homework)

Liza Daly: (I'd like to write a blog post with some narrative around it when it's public anyway, so this will be good homework)

16:13:13 <tzviya> dauwhe: Project Houdini is very technical

Dave Cramer: Project Houdini is very technical

16:13:27 <tzviya> ...initial meeting is in Australia 7-8 Feb

...initial meeting is in Australia 7-8 Feb

16:13:38 <tzviya> ...joint meeting between CSS WG and TAG

...joint meeting between CSS WG and TAG

16:14:26 <tzviya> ...objective of task force is to explain the magic of layout on the web

...objective of task force is to explain the magic of layout on the web

16:15:08 <tzviya> ...people are starting to look for ways of extending CSS in the same way that HTML can be extended via ShadowDOM, JS, etc

...people are starting to look for ways of extending CSS in the same way that HTML can be extended via ShadowDOM, JS, etc

16:15:19 <tzviya> ...to date this has been impossible

...to date this has been impossible

16:15:50 <mgylling> +regrets Frederick Hirsch

Markus Gylling: +regrets Frederick Hirsch

16:16:01 <tzviya> ...one aspect of this is the BoxTree API

...one aspect of this is the BoxTree API

16:16:33 <tzviya> ...people have been creating numerous nested boxes and positioning them

...people have been creating numerous nested boxes and positioning them

16:16:44 <tzviya> ...Boxtree provides a model for that

...Boxtree provides a model for that

16:16:45 <mgylling> +regrets David Stroup

Markus Gylling: +regrets David Stroup

16:17:09 <tzviya> ,,,Another part is a method of manipulating the CSS Object Model (CSSOM)

,,,Another part is a method of manipulating the CSS Object Model (CSSOM)

16:17:51 <tzviya> ...there is interest in rewriting the CSSOM from scratch as the existing model is difficult

...there is interest in rewriting the CSSOM from scratch as the existing model is difficult

16:18:20 <tzviya> ...one thought for this meeting is to get an idea of what people want from this effort

...one thought for this meeting is to get an idea of what people want from this effort

16:18:37 <tzviya> ...one example that came up last week is font metrics

...one example that came up last week is font metrics

16:19:00 <pkra> darn I want to dial in now...

Peter Krautzberger: darn I want to dial in now...

16:19:15 <tzviya> q+

q+

16:19:29 <Zakim> +Liam

Zakim IRC Bot: +Liam

16:19:32 <dauwhe_> wiki https://wiki.css-houdini.org/main

Dave Cramer: wiki https://wiki.css-houdini.org/main

16:19:39 <dauwhe_> mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-houdini/

Dave Cramer: mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-houdini/

16:20:03 <tzviya> markus: when is the meeting?

Markus Gylling: when is the meeting?

16:20:21 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

16:20:25 <tzviya> dauwhe: 7 - 8 Feb, adjacent but separate from CSS WG

Dave Cramer: 7 - 8 Feb, adjacent but separate from CSS WG

16:20:28 <mgylling> ack tzviya

Markus Gylling: ack tzviya

16:20:41 <Karen> Tzviya: I am wondering from DigPub perspective, is there anything you need from us?

Tzviya Siegman: I am wondering from DigPub perspective, is there anything you need from us? [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

16:20:49 <Karen> …Our most pressing issue is Fragmentation issues

Karen Myers: …Our most pressing issue is Fragmentation issues

16:20:56 <Karen> …Brady wrote something up

Karen Myers: …Brady wrote something up

16:21:04 <Karen> …Ivan is concerned things not get lost in the shuffle

Karen Myers: …Ivan is concerned things not get lost in the shuffle

16:21:11 <Karen> …What is it that we should be doing?

Karen Myers: …What is it that we should be doing?

16:21:14 <Karen> Dave: I am not sure on that

Dave Cramer: I am not sure on that [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

16:21:19 <Karen> …I will be there, Peter there

Karen Myers: …I will be there, Peter there

16:21:39 <Karen> …This use case is definitely going to get some attentoion

Karen Myers: …This use case is definitely going to get some attentoion

16:21:45 <Karen> …not sure yet what direction

Karen Myers: …not sure yet what direction

16:21:55 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers

Zakim IRC Bot: -Karen_Myers

16:22:14 <tzviya> Dauwhe: some of information is coming from Google

Dave Cramer: some of information is coming from Google

16:22:29 <tzviya> ...there will be some loud voices making sure that pagination is address

...there will be some loud voices making sure that pagination is address

16:22:41 <tzviya> markus: help me understand scope of Houdini

Markus Gylling: help me understand scope of Houdini

16:23:01 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers

Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen_Myers

16:23:02 <tzviya> ...accessing a refreshed CSS with JS is one thing, boxtree is another

...accessing a refreshed CSS with JS is one thing, boxtree is another

16:23:28 <tzviya> ...would a fundamental issue such as pagination be scripted, not declarative?

...would a fundamental issue such as pagination be scripted, not declarative?

16:23:47 <tzviya> dauwhe: some of ideas are heavily influenced by extensible web manifesto

Dave Cramer: some of ideas are heavily influenced by extensible web manifesto

16:24:04 <tzviya> ...which advoactes for experimenting

...which advoactes for experimenting

16:24:29 <mgylling> Brady’s pagination requirements page: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Pagination_Requirements

Markus Gylling: Brady’s pagination requirements page: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Pagination_Requirements

16:24:32 <tzviya> ...and polyfilling. The polyfills can evolve into standars

...and polyfilling. The polyfills can evolve into standars

16:24:59 <tzviya> extensible web manifesto https://extensiblewebmanifesto.org/

extensible web manifesto https://extensiblewebmanifesto.org/

16:26:00 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

16:26:08 <dauwhe_> TabAtkins: We'll nail things down more explicitly in the first meeting, but the idea is that our current approach of delivering a new layout mode every 5 years or so isn't sustainable; they're too complex and the whole thing is too slow.  Beyond core "layout modes" (like Flexbox, etc) there's a lot of other stuff that generally falls under the rubric of "box-tree manipulation" (like Regions, and the constellation of functionality surrounding their

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Unknown TabAtkins: We'll nail things down more explicitly in the first meeting, but the idea is that our current approach of delivering a new layout mode every 5 years or so isn't sustainable; they're too complex and the whole thing is too slow. Beyond core "layout modes" (like Flexbox, etc) there's a lot of other stuff that generally falls under the rubric of "box-tree manipulation" (like Regions, and the constellation of functionality surrounding their [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ]

16:26:08 <dauwhe_>  core concept, like running headers, footnotes, etc.) which, again, takes a long time to go from "idea" to "usable on mass-market websites".

Dave Cramer: core concept, like running headers, footnotes, etc.) which, again, takes a long time to go from "idea" to "usable on mass-market websites".

16:26:20 <dauwhe_> TabAtkins: While there's still value in finding the highest-impact stuff in this realm and standardizing it with CSS syntax, we feel that for CSS to continue to be viable in the future, we need to open up these sorts of APIs to developers more directly, allowing them to define their own layout managers/etc with lower-level box-creation/manipulation primitives.  This TF's goal is to figure out how to do this in a way that's compatible with the perf

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Unknown TabAtkins: While there's still value in finding the highest-impact stuff in this realm and standardizing it with CSS syntax, we feel that for CSS to continue to be viable in the future, we need to open up these sorts of APIs to developers more directly, allowing them to define their own layout managers/etc with lower-level box-creation/manipulation primitives. This TF's goal is to figure out how to do this in a way that's compatible with the perf [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ]

16:26:20 <dauwhe_>  concerns of today's and tomorrow's browsers.

Dave Cramer: concerns of today's and tomorrow's browsers.

16:27:49 <tzviya> markus: we have dave, alan, peter linss, vivliostyle. is it correct to assume then that we do not need to worry about publishing being dropped on the floor? Do we need to rally?

Markus Gylling: we have dave, alan, peter linss, vivliostyle. is it correct to assume then that we do not need to worry about publishing being dropped on the floor? Do we need to rally?

16:28:07 <tzviya> dauwhe: for now, we are OK. We may need to rally in the future

Dave Cramer: for now, we are OK. We may need to rally in the future

16:29:05 <tzviya> markus: Brady's use cases (https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Pagination_Requirements) are applicable use cases

Markus Gylling: Brady's use cases (https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Pagination_Requirements) are applicable use cases

16:29:38 <tzviya> markus: at the very least, we need to get Brady and other contributors to flesh out the use cases

Markus Gylling: at the very least, we need to get Brady and other contributors to flesh out the use cases

16:30:35 <tzviya> action markus talk to Brady about fleshing out the pagination use cases

action markus talk to Brady about fleshing out the pagination use cases

16:30:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-44 - Talk to brady about fleshing out the pagination use cases [on Markus Gylling - due 2015-01-19].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-44 - Talk to brady about fleshing out the pagination use cases [on Markus Gylling - due 2015-01-19].

16:31:46 <tzviya> markus: are there any other items that we should prepare to have ready for Houdini?

Markus Gylling: are there any other items that we should prepare to have ready for Houdini?

16:32:33 <tzviya> dauwhe: we might get a lot more capability to intercept and process CSS, which might offer reading systems processing power

Dave Cramer: we might get a lot more capability to intercept and process CSS, which might offer reading systems processing power

16:32:40 <tzviya> ...for things like user style sheets

...for things like user style sheets

16:33:29 <tzviya> q+

q+

16:34:12 <tzviya> markus: it might be a good idea to break the personalization use cases out of brady's use cases and present them separately

Markus Gylling: it might be a good idea to break the personalization use cases out of brady's use cases and present them separately

16:34:41 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

16:34:46 <mgylling> ack tzviya

Markus Gylling: ack tzviya

16:35:22 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Accessibility_and_Personalization

https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Accessibility_and_Personalization

16:35:48 <tzviya> tzviya: we have use cases related to personalization as regards to accessibility

Tzviya Siegman: we have use cases related to personalization as regards to accessibility

16:36:22 <tzviya> ...we should try to consolidate the 2 sets of use cases

...we should try to consolidate the 2 sets of use cases

16:36:53 <tzviya> markus: other topics?

Markus Gylling: other topics?

16:37:05 <tzviya> dauwhe: there might be smaller categories

Dave Cramer: there might be smaller categories

16:37:12 <tzviya> ...math layout for example

...math layout for example

16:37:50 <tzviya> ...how does one display chemML in a browser? There might be several things required for polyfills

...how does one display chemML in a browser? There might be several things required for polyfills

16:39:06 <tzviya> ...If we started to have access to layout primitives, new things might be possible

...If we started to have access to layout primitives, new things might be possible

16:39:34 <tzviya> Tzviya: Peter Krautzberger probably will have something to add in the area

Tzviya Siegman: Peter Krautzberger probably will have something to add in the area

16:40:08 <tzviya> ,,,issues in STEM often involve extending table rendering, fonts for chemistry, etc

,,,issues in STEM often involve extending table rendering, fonts for chemistry, etc

16:40:22 <tzviya> markus: what is a good term?

Markus Gylling: what is a good term?

16:41:11 <tzviya> markus: maybe the best place to start is with Peter K and STEM use cases

Markus Gylling: maybe the best place to start is with Peter K and STEM use cases

16:41:38 <tzviya> ...it does not sound STEM-specific

...it does not sound STEM-specific

16:41:59 <tzviya> +1

+1

16:43:57 <tzviya> tzviya: another area that can be difficult is infographics

Tzviya Siegman: another area that can be difficult is infographics

16:44:07 <tzviya> markus: that might be solved with SVG

Markus Gylling: that might be solved with SVG

16:44:41 <tzviya> markus: we have a meanwhile plan to collect use cases

Markus Gylling: we have a meanwhile plan to collect use cases

16:45:24 <tzviya> ...brady on pagination, consolidate personalization, and talk to Peter K about STEM

...brady on pagination, consolidate personalization, and talk to Peter K about STEM

16:46:01 <tzviya> ...and Dave will be our conduit to CSS WG :)

...and Dave will be our conduit to CSS WG :)

16:46:29 <Karen_> q+

Karen Myers: q+

16:46:37 <mgylling> ack Karen

Markus Gylling: ack Karen

16:46:48 <tzviya> karen: is anyone going to Digital Book World?

Karen Myers: is anyone going to Digital Book World?

16:47:06 <HeatherF> q+

Heather Flanagan: q+

16:47:15 <mgylling> ack HeatherF

Markus Gylling: ack HeatherF

16:47:25 <Zakim> -kwkbtr

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16:48:06 <mgylling> +regrets Brady

Markus Gylling: +regrets Brady

16:48:31 <Zakim> +??P12

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16:48:50 <kwkbtr> Zakim, ??P12 is me

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16:48:50 <Zakim> +kwkbtr; got it

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16:49:00 <Zakim> -Ayla

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16:49:00 <Zakim> -liza

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16:49:02 <Zakim> -Tzviya

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16:49:02 <Zakim> -Markus

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16:49:03 <Zakim> -Liam

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16:49:03 <Zakim> -bjdmeest

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16:49:03 <Zakim> -Vlad

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16:49:05 <Zakim> -dauwhe

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16:49:07 <Zakim> -dkaplan3

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16:49:09 <mgylling> rrsagent, make minutes

Markus Gylling: rrsagent, make minutes

16:49:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html mgylling

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html mgylling

16:49:10 <Zakim> -kwkbtr

Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

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16:49:12 <Zakim> -tmichel

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16:52:23 <Zakim> -azaroth

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16:55:02 <Zakim> -madi

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17:01:35 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes

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Thierry Michel: rrsagent, draft minutes

17:01:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html tmichel

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html tmichel

17:24:11 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers

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17:29:11 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, shinyu, in DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, shinyu, in DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM

17:29:13 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended

17:29:13 <Zakim> Attendees were Tzviya, Karen_Myers, [IPcaller], dauwhe, azaroth, Vlad, Markus, shinyu, bjdmeest, kwkbtr, dkaplan3, tmichel, liza, +1.217.300.aaaa, Ayla, madi, Liam

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Tzviya, Karen_Myers, [IPcaller], dauwhe, azaroth, Vlad, Markus, shinyu, bjdmeest, kwkbtr, dkaplan3, tmichel, liza, +1.217.300.aaaa, Ayla, madi, Liam



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