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14:17:39 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
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14:17:39 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 43 minutes
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14:17:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:17:40 <trackbot> Date: 07 July 2014
14:17:48 <ivan> Chair: Liza
14:18:14 <ivan> Regrets: Vlad, Laura_Dawson
14:23:12 <ivan> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014Jul/0011.html
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14:58:18 <Zakim> + +1.240.421.aaaa
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14:58:19 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
14:58:19 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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14:58:20 <Zakim> +Ivan
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14:58:50 <Zakim> + +1.617.439.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.439.aabb ←
14:58:54 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is AH_Miller
Ivan Herman: zakim, aaaa is AH_Miller ←
14:58:54 <Zakim> +AH_Miller; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AH_Miller; got it ←
14:59:02 <liza> zakim, aabb is me
Liza Daly: zakim, aabb is me ←
14:59:02 <Zakim> +liza; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +liza; got it ←
14:59:37 <Karen> zakim, code?
Karen Myers: zakim, code? ←
14:59:37 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Karen
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14:59:42 <Zakim> + +1.917.207.aacc
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14:59:43 <Zakim> + +33.1.41.23.aadd
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14:59:49 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
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14:59:54 <dauwhe> Zakim, aacc is me
Dave Cramer: Zakim, aacc is me ←
14:59:54 <Zakim> +dauwhe; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dauwhe; got it ←
15:00:05 <ivan> zakim, aadd is Luc
Ivan Herman: zakim, aadd is Luc ←
15:00:05 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Luc; got it ←
15:00:07 <Zakim> +duga
Zakim IRC Bot: +duga ←
15:00:10 <Zakim> +liza.a
Zakim IRC Bot: +liza.a ←
15:00:14 <Zakim> + +1.617.858.aaee
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15:00:15 <Zakim> + +1.408.979.aaff
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15:00:30 <liza> Bizarro Liza?
15:00:35 <Zakim> + +1.206.675.aagg
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15:00:37 <pkra> pkra is aaee
Peter Krautzberger: pkra is aaee ←
15:00:43 <ivan> zakim, liza.a is dkaplan
Ivan Herman: zakim, liza.a is dkaplan ←
15:00:43 <Zakim> +dkaplan; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dkaplan; got it ←
15:00:43 <astearns_> zakim, aagg is me
Alan Stearns: zakim, aagg is me ←
15:00:44 <Zakim> +astearns_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +astearns_; got it ←
15:00:54 <ivan> zakim, aaee is pkra
Ivan Herman: zakim, aaee is pkra ←
15:00:54 <Zakim> +pkra; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pkra; got it ←
15:00:57 <clapierre> zakium, 1.408.979.aaff is Charles
Charles LaPierre: zakium, 1.408.979.aaff is Charles ←
15:00:58 <Zakim> + +1.217.300.aahh
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15:01:26 <Zakim> +??P10
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10 ←
15:01:40 <Karen> Ayla Stein, University of Illinois
Karen Myers: Ayla Stein, University of Illinois ←
15:01:51 <ivan> zakim, aahh is astein
Ivan Herman: zakim, aahh is astein ←
15:01:51 <Zakim> +astein; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +astein; got it ←
15:02:00 <clapierre> zakim, 1.408.979.aaff is clapierre
Charles LaPierre: zakim, 1.408.979.aaff is clapierre ←
15:02:00 <Zakim> sorry, clapierre, I do not recognize a party named '1.408.979.aaff'
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15:02:01 <murakami> zakim, +??P10 is me
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15:02:01 <Zakim> sorry, murakami, I do not recognize a party named '+??P10'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, murakami, I do not recognize a party named '+??P10' ←
15:02:09 <murakami> zakim, ??P10 is me
Shinyu Murakami: zakim, ??P10 is me ←
15:02:09 <Zakim> +murakami; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +murakami; got it ←
15:02:21 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:02:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see AH_Miller, Ivan, liza, dauwhe, Luc, Karen_Myers, duga, dkaplan, pkra, +1.408.979.aaff, astearns_, astein, murakami
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AH_Miller, Ivan, liza, dauwhe, Luc, Karen_Myers, duga, dkaplan, pkra, +1.408.979.aaff, astearns_, astein, murakami ←
15:02:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see murakami, brady_duga, liza, Luc, AH_Miller, astein, tmichel, clapierre, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, Karen, ivan, pkra, plinss, astearns_, liam, dkaplan, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see murakami, brady_duga, liza, Luc, AH_Miller, astein, tmichel, clapierre, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, Karen, ivan, pkra, plinss, astearns_, liam, dkaplan, trackbot ←
15:02:39 <Zakim> +??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2 ←
15:02:43 <ivan> zakim, aaff is clapierre
Ivan Herman: zakim, aaff is clapierre ←
15:02:43 <Zakim> +clapierre; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +clapierre; got it ←
15:02:59 <tmichel> zakim, ??P2 is me
Thierry Michel: zakim, ??P2 is me ←
15:02:59 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +tmichel; got it ←
15:03:09 <Karen> Ivan: We are all set now
Ivan Herman: We are all set now [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:03:16 <Karen> Liza: Karen volunteered to scribe
Liza Daly: Karen volunteered to scribe [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:03:19 <Karen> Chair: Liza
15:03:20 <ivan> scribenick: Karen
(Scribe set to Karen Myers)
15:03:36 <Karen> Liza: First, let's approve last week's minutes. Are there any objections?
Liza Daly: First, let's approve last week's minutes. Are there any objections? ←
15:03:41 <Karen> …hearing none, minute approved
…hearing none, minute approved ←
15:03:47 <Karen> …Today likely not the full hour call
…Today likely not the full hour call ←
15:03:57 <Karen> …We will get an update from the Accessibility Task Force
…We will get an update from the Accessibility Task Force ←
15:04:10 <Karen> …And before we go on break, I would love to hear from that group about what they will be doing
…And before we go on break, I would love to hear from that group about what they will be doing ←
15:04:20 <Karen> …and about any other work happening during the summer months
…and about any other work happening during the summer months ←
15:04:30 <Karen> …Any volunteers [to give the update]?
…Any volunteers [to give the update]? ←
15:04:36 <Karen> …Or shall I choose someone?
…Or shall I choose someone? ←
15:05:03 <Karen> Deborah: We [Acces. TF] have not actually gotten together in the last month, so there is not a lot to say
Deborah Kaplan: We [Acces. TF] have not actually gotten together in the last month, so there is not a lot to say ←
15:05:16 <Karen> …Gerardo has left, and I'm not sure if we have a replacement 'fearless leader'
…Gerardo has left, and I'm not sure if we have a replacement 'fearless leader' ←
15:05:19 <Karen> …We have to fix that
…We have to fix that ←
15:05:23 <Karen> …Anyone want to speak up?
…Anyone want to speak up? ←
15:05:31 <Karen> …We will send email to find a replacemen
…We will send email to find a replacemen ←
15:05:33 <Karen> t
t ←
15:05:47 <Karen> Liza; Who came in from Benetech for Gerardo
Liza; Who came in from Benetech for Gerardo ←
15:05:53 <Zakim> + +1.734.904.aaii
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.734.904.aaii ←
15:05:54 <Karen> Deborah: Charles LaPierre
Deborah Kaplan: Charles LaPierre ←
15:06:04 <Karen> …may not be a bad thing; could be a clean slate
…may not be a bad thing; could be a clean slate ←
15:06:15 <Karen> …Maybe we can spend this time reviewing the overall IG has talked about
…Maybe we can spend this time reviewing the overall IG has talked about ←
15:06:26 <Karen> …a lot of our work touches on Accessibility so I'd like to hear about some of the gaps
…a lot of our work touches on Accessibility so I'd like to hear about some of the gaps ←
15:06:35 <fjh> zakim, code?
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, code? ←
15:06:35 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh ←
15:06:41 <Karen> …that perhaps this group could cover; areas such as styling and markup, etc.
…that perhaps this group could cover; areas such as styling and markup, etc. ←
15:06:52 <Karen> …or areas where we need to be looking at Accessibility
…or areas where we need to be looking at Accessibility ←
15:07:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:07:06 <Karen> …What Charles can bring is knowledge about what rest of group has been looking at
…What Charles can bring is knowledge about what rest of group has been looking at ←
15:07:07 <fjh> zakim, ipcaller is me
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, ipcaller is me ←
15:07:07 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it ←
15:07:12 <Karen> …might be able to help answer that question
…might be able to help answer that question ←
15:07:20 <Karen> …Another thing we did talk about
…Another thing we did talk about ←
15:07:23 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
Frederick Hirsch: Present+ Frederick_Hirsch ←
15:07:32 <Karen> …with Richard, we talked about a possible WAI TF under Protocols and Formats
…with Richard, we talked about a possible WAI TF under Protocols and Formats ←
15:07:37 <Karen> …to create a subteam responsible
…to create a subteam responsible ←
15:07:44 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is here? ←
15:07:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see AH_Miller, Ivan, liza, dauwhe, Luc, Karen_Myers, duga, dkaplan, pkra, clapierre, astearns_, astein, murakami (muted), tmichel, +1.734.904.aaii, fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AH_Miller, Ivan, liza, dauwhe, Luc, Karen_Myers, duga, dkaplan, pkra, clapierre, astearns_, astein, murakami (muted), tmichel, +1.734.904.aaii, fjh ←
15:07:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, fjh, murakami, brady_duga, liza, Luc, AH_Miller, astein, tmichel, clapierre, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, Karen, ivan, pkra, plinss, astearns_, liam,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, fjh, murakami, brady_duga, liza, Luc, AH_Miller, astein, tmichel, clapierre, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, Karen, ivan, pkra, plinss, astearns_, liam, ←
15:07:47 <Zakim> ... dkaplan, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... dkaplan, trackbot ←
15:07:48 <Karen> …for creating an EPUB structural semantics module
…for creating an EPUB structural semantics module ←
15:07:57 <Karen> …in the way ARIA TF is looking at ebook
…in the way ARIA TF is looking at ebook ←
15:08:01 <Karen> …and ebook mappings guide
…and ebook mappings guide ←
15:08:12 <Karen> …I dropped the ball on moving that forward; need to pick up
…I dropped the ball on moving that forward; need to pick up ←
15:08:23 <Karen> …Possibility that David @ maybe interested in being a facilitator?
…Possibility that David @ maybe interested in being a facilitator? ←
15:08:30 <Karen> …That is kind of where the group stood when we spoke a month ago
…That is kind of where the group stood when we spoke a month ago ←
15:08:38 <Karen> …Would love if anyone can bring up anything I missed
…Would love if anyone can bring up anything I missed ←
15:08:48 <Karen> …We need to reorganize and pick someone to herd the cats after the break
…We need to reorganize and pick someone to herd the cats after the break ←
15:08:51 <Karen> …So we have a plan
…So we have a plan ←
15:09:10 <Karen> …Sounds like what Liza said is that the first part of the plan is to do a gap analysis and see where the whole in the plan are
…Sounds like what Liza said is that the first part of the plan is to do a gap analysis and see where the whole in the plan are ←
15:09:16 <Karen> …regarding the wider group
…regarding the wider group ←
15:09:23 <Karen> Charles: I agree with you; that is fine
Charles LaPierre: I agree with you; that is fine ←
15:09:34 <Karen> …I would love to become the fearless leader once I understand more
…I would love to become the fearless leader once I understand more ←
15:09:38 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:09:40 <Karen> …or that can be done in another meeting
…or that can be done in another meeting ←
15:09:56 <Karen> Liza: other outstanding issues, Ivan?
Liza Daly: other outstanding issues, Ivan? ←
15:09:57 <Karen> ack Ivan
ack Ivan ←
15:10:12 <Karen> Ivan: I look at all that the group should do; and how to organize is a separate question
Ivan Herman: I look at all that the group should do; and how to organize is a separate question ←
15:10:23 <Karen> …First, this discussion with PF on structural semantics is important
…First, this discussion with PF on structural semantics is important ←
15:10:25 <Karen> …for the TF
…for the TF ←
15:10:30 <Karen> …which at the moment is dormant
…which at the moment is dormant ←
15:10:40 <Karen> …on long term this is one of the urgent things we should do
…on long term this is one of the urgent things we should do ←
15:10:51 <Karen> …A bit of an outsider of PF, but what I would like to understand
…A bit of an outsider of PF, but what I would like to understand ←
15:11:00 <Karen> …Not sure if you can find out from Richard
…Not sure if you can find out from Richard ←
15:11:11 <Karen> …What is the formal mechanism to define new values for the role attribute
…What is the formal mechanism to define new values for the role attribute ←
15:11:19 <Karen> …for whatever purpose we decide to use it for
…for whatever purpose we decide to use it for ←
15:11:27 <Karen> …My big question marks are two-fold
…My big question marks are two-fold ←
15:11:44 <Karen> …one is the role attributes here has been considered for values and usage that are not necessarily Accessibility related
…one is the role attributes here has been considered for values and usage that are not necessarily Accessibility related ←
15:11:52 <Karen> …May be values for replacing the EPUB type
…May be values for replacing the EPUB type ←
15:11:58 <Karen> …which are not nec. Accessibilty
…which are not nec. Accessibilty ←
15:12:03 <Karen> …not sure how this group would react on that
…not sure how this group would react on that ←
15:12:08 <Karen> …This is a specific question to clarify
…This is a specific question to clarify ←
15:12:12 <Karen> …The other big question mark I have
…The other big question mark I have ←
15:12:15 <Karen> …is more social
…is more social ←
15:12:26 <Karen> …There is an interplay between the PF and the HTML5 WG
…There is an interplay between the PF and the HTML5 WG ←
15:12:34 <Karen> …which I want to understand
…which I want to understand ←
15:12:47 <Karen> …If a specific value is accepted by PF, for electronic books or publication
…If a specific value is accepted by PF, for electronic books or publication ←
15:13:04 <Karen> …are those values automatically accepted by the HTML5 WG; would the HTML5 validator accept them?
…are those values automatically accepted by the HTML5 WG; would the HTML5 validator accept them? ←
15:13:15 <Karen> …Or do we need a second round for acceptance? I don't know
…Or do we need a second round for acceptance? I don't know ←
15:13:30 <Karen> …There are very specific questions for which I have not received answers
…There are very specific questions for which I have not received answers ←
15:13:40 <Karen> …if this TF could close these issues in a positive way, that would be really great
…if this TF could close these issues in a positive way, that would be really great ←
15:13:50 <Karen> …Because then the whole process of semantics would be the focus
…Because then the whole process of semantics would be the focus ←
15:14:02 <Karen> Liza: I think the group is looking for specific things to work on
Liza Daly: I think the group is looking for specific things to work on ←
15:14:07 <Karen> Ivan: This is one thing
Ivan Herman: This is one thing ←
15:14:16 <Karen> …I don't know if there is any reaction on these questions
…I don't know if there is any reaction on these questions ←
15:14:26 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:14:30 <Karen> Luc: How could we make it moving with the people taking care of the role attribute today?
Luc Audrain: How could we make it moving with the people taking care of the role attribute today? ←
15:14:44 <Karen> Ivan: I thought that there is a plan to have a or several meetings with the PF people
Ivan Herman: I thought that there is a plan to have a or several meetings with the PF people ←
15:14:50 <Karen> …Unfortunately one thing that did happen
…Unfortunately one thing that did happen ←
15:15:05 <Karen> …One of people I talked to, who is member of W3C Staff, may take another job
…One of people I talked to, who is member of W3C Staff, may take another job ←
15:15:22 <Karen> …But having one or several meetings with not only Richard but also staff contact for Protocols and Formats WG
…But having one or several meetings with not only Richard but also staff contact for Protocols and Formats WG ←
15:15:31 <Karen> …to have a series of meetings and make these things clear and written down
…to have a series of meetings and make these things clear and written down ←
15:15:38 <Karen> …Not sure if this can be done in July with vacations
…Not sure if this can be done in July with vacations ←
15:15:43 <Karen> Luc: way to do it is to have this meeting
Luc Audrain: way to do it is to have this meeting ←
15:15:47 <Karen> Ivan: yes
Ivan Herman: yes ←
15:15:52 <Karen> Liza: Who can set that up?
Liza Daly: Who can set that up? ←
15:16:10 <Karen> Ivan: I don't really have contact with them; I will be on vacations for next several weeks
Ivan Herman: I don't really have contact with them; I will be on vacations for next several weeks ←
15:16:24 <Karen> …if it shifts to August, I can set it up then, but not before
…if it shifts to August, I can set it up then, but not before ←
15:16:44 <Karen> Liza: A fixed time in the future is better than nothing
Liza Daly: A fixed time in the future is better than nothing ←
15:16:54 <Karen> Ivan: Thierry, are you around in July?
Ivan Herman: Thierry, are you around in July? ←
15:16:59 <Karen> Thierry: yes
Thierry Michel: yes ←
15:17:17 <Karen> Ivan: one possibility is that you talk to the staff contact on that group and try to get that meeting set up
Ivan Herman: one possibility is that you talk to the staff contact on that group and try to get that meeting set up ←
15:17:32 <Karen> Bill Kasdorf: It would be valuable to have Markus on that call; he is on vacation in July
Bill Kasdorf: It would be valuable to have Markus on that call; he is on vacation in July ←
15:17:42 <Karen> Ivan: Liza is right, keeping things running is also important
Ivan Herman: Liza is right, keeping things running is also important ←
15:17:47 <Karen> …whoever is around
…whoever is around ←
15:17:51 <Karen> …that would be good
…that would be good ←
15:18:02 <clapierre> q+
Charles LaPierre: q+ ←
15:18:08 <Karen> ..we are running around this question for what to do with structural semantics for 2-3 months now
..we are running around this question for what to do with structural semantics for 2-3 months now ←
15:18:11 <liza> ack Bill
15:18:15 <Karen> …we know general direciton, but not sure if we can have it
…we know general direciton, but not sure if we can have it ←
15:18:16 <Karen> ack Bill
ack Bill ←
15:18:21 <Karen> Bill: quick comment on issues
Bill Kasdorf: quick comment on issues ←
15:18:30 <Karen> …some we are looking at are not spec Access. issues
…some we are looking at are not spec Access. issues ←
15:18:42 <Karen> …but anything involving structural semantics is important to Accessibility
…but anything involving structural semantics is important to Accessibility ←
15:18:50 <liza> ack clapierre
15:18:52 <Karen> Bill: that would be our case to be made for why it's important
Bill Kasdorf: that would be our case to be made for why it's important ←
15:18:57 <Karen> Ivan: yes, not sure if that was the case
Ivan Herman: yes, not sure if that was the case ←
15:19:06 <Karen> Charles: I go on vacation for next 3 weeks
Charles LaPierre: I go on vacation for next 3 weeks ←
15:19:09 <Karen> …back last week of July
…back last week of July ←
15:19:21 <Karen> Ivan: I return in mid-August
Ivan Herman: I return in mid-August ←
15:19:25 <Karen> Charles: Early August is fine
Charles LaPierre: Early August is fine ←
15:19:33 <Karen> Ivan: Let's see if Thierry can get the ball rolling
Ivan Herman: Let's see if Thierry can get the ball rolling ←
15:19:38 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:19:48 <liza> ack Ivan
15:19:49 <Karen> Action: Thierry to contact PF staff contact to arrange meeting
ACTION: Thierry to contact PF staff contact to arrange meeting ←
15:19:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Contact pf staff contact to arrange meeting [on Thierry Michel - due 2014-07-14].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-18 - Contact pf staff contact to arrange meeting [on Thierry Michel - due 2014-07-14]. ←
15:20:07 <Karen> Ivan: Other thing I was asking myself all along, without knowing details, for which I apologize
Ivan Herman: Other thing I was asking myself all along, without knowing details, for which I apologize ←
15:20:13 <Karen> …WAI has many documents
…WAI has many documents ←
15:20:27 <Karen> …question I am asking, is are the documents all right for digital publishing?
…question I am asking, is are the documents all right for digital publishing? ←
15:20:38 <Karen> …Are they applicable or not; are there things not covered by those documents?
…Are they applicable or not; are there things not covered by those documents? ←
15:20:39 <dkaplan> q+
Deborah Kaplan: q+ ←
15:20:45 <Karen> …Having a review of the Authoring Tools
…Having a review of the Authoring Tools ←
15:20:55 <Karen> …the User Agent Accessibility Guidelines
…the User Agent Accessibility Guidelines ←
15:20:57 <liza> ack dkaplan
15:21:01 <Karen> …I don't know whether or not they are complete
…I don't know whether or not they are complete ←
15:21:05 <Karen> ack Deborah
ack Deborah ←
15:21:21 <Karen> Deborah: I am hearing what Liza was suggesting is to do a gap analysis of the WAI guidelines
Deborah Kaplan: I am hearing what Liza was suggesting is to do a gap analysis of the WAI guidelines ←
15:21:32 <Karen> …are there missing guidelines for digpub; is that the same idea?
…are there missing guidelines for digpub; is that the same idea? ←
15:21:34 <Karen> Ivan: yes
Ivan Herman: yes ←
15:21:40 <clapierre> 1+
Charles LaPierre: 1+ ←
15:21:44 <Karen> Deborah: That seems like a very good project for the Accessibility group
Deborah Kaplan: That seems like a very good project for the Accessibility group ←
15:22:07 <Karen> Ivan: yes, to "criticize what W3C provides"
Ivan Herman: yes, to "criticize what W3C provides" ←
15:22:13 <Karen> …so who, when, where, and what
…so who, when, where, and what ←
15:22:22 <Karen> Liza: This may give you some time to work on this
Liza Daly: This may give you some time to work on this ←
15:22:38 <Karen> Deborah: Having the task of reading through all of the WAI guidelines
Deborah Kaplan: Having the task of reading through all of the WAI guidelines ←
15:23:00 <Karen> …also seems like a good task for W3C to be doing periodically anyone; and what has changed in the overarching environment to keep that fresh
…also seems like a good task for W3C to be doing periodically anyone; and what has changed in the overarching environment to keep that fresh ←
15:23:04 <Karen> …I think that is a very good idea
…I think that is a very good idea ←
15:23:09 <Karen> Ivan: yes, I think so
Ivan Herman: yes, I think so ←
15:23:14 <Karen> …It is probably a good idea
…It is probably a good idea ←
15:23:37 <Karen> …to get into contact with Shawn Henry, staff contact for these documents on the W3C team
…to get into contact with Shawn Henry, staff contact for these documents on the W3C team ←
15:23:48 <Karen> …they may have some planning and timelines; which ones to look at first, tec.
…they may have some planning and timelines; which ones to look at first, tec. ←
15:23:53 <Karen> s/tec, etc.
s/tec, etc. ←
15:23:59 <Karen> …not sure if you have had contact before
…not sure if you have had contact before ←
15:24:16 <Karen> Deborah: I have spoken with her before
Deborah Kaplan: I have spoken with her before ←
15:24:23 <Karen> …I don't mind reaching out to Shawn
…I don't mind reaching out to Shawn ←
15:24:31 <Karen> Ivan: check with her about their planning
Ivan Herman: check with her about their planning ←
15:24:34 <Karen> Deborah: Sounds good
Deborah Kaplan: Sounds good ←
15:24:43 <clapierre> q+
Charles LaPierre: q+ ←
15:24:45 <Karen> Liza: Anything more, Ivan?
Liza Daly: Anything more, Ivan? ←
15:25:00 <Karen> ack Charles
ack Charles ←
15:25:10 <liza> ack clapierre
15:25:19 <Karen> Charles: Are there links to the guidelines; and is UA same guidelines?
Charles LaPierre: Are there links to the guidelines; and is UA same guidelines? ←
15:25:25 <Karen> Ivan: Let me look
Ivan Herman: Let me look ←
15:25:40 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/guid-tech.html
Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/WAI/guid-tech.html ←
15:26:04 <Karen> Ivan: Here is one place I know which lists the various documents. If you go there, the top three are the main documents that have been produced by W3C
Ivan Herman: Here is one place I know which lists the various documents. If you go there, the top three are the main documents that have been produced by W3C ←
15:26:11 <Karen> …And the reason I refer to them
…And the reason I refer to them ←
15:26:22 <Karen> …Accessibility being as it is; mainly WCAG
…Accessibility being as it is; mainly WCAG ←
15:26:41 <Karen> …that one has been part of some official regulations in different countries; those are pretty widely used documents
…that one has been part of some official regulations in different countries; those are pretty widely used documents ←
15:26:48 <Karen> …Web content is how you build your pages
…Web content is how you build your pages ←
15:26:53 <Karen> …and what to be careful about
…and what to be careful about ←
15:27:09 <Karen> …Authoring Tools accessibility guidelines may be less important for this group, but I may be wrong
…Authoring Tools accessibility guidelines may be less important for this group, but I may be wrong ←
15:27:19 <Karen> …User Agent Accessibility guidelines was done in view of browsers
…User Agent Accessibility guidelines was done in view of browsers ←
15:27:26 <Karen> …but same documents should be usable for reading systems
…but same documents should be usable for reading systems ←
15:27:43 <Karen> …There again, there may be things missing or some issues there to be driven back to reading systems developers
…There again, there may be things missing or some issues there to be driven back to reading systems developers ←
15:28:02 <Karen> …I would think that WCAG and UAG require a pretty good review right now, depending upon the group's timing
…I would think that WCAG and UAG require a pretty good review right now, depending upon the group's timing ←
15:28:05 <Karen> Charles: Great
Charles LaPierre: Great ←
15:28:20 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/ WCAG 2.0
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/ WCAG 2.0 ←
15:28:22 <Karen> Liza: Is that enough of a punch list?
Liza Daly: Is that enough of a punch list? ←
15:28:27 <Karen> Deborah: That seems pretty good to me
Deborah Kaplan: That seems pretty good to me ←
15:28:35 <Karen> …I am also putting out a bulleted list
…I am also putting out a bulleted list ←
15:28:36 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG10/ UAAG1.0
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG10/ UAAG1.0 ←
15:28:39 <Karen> …to mail to WAI group
…to mail to WAI group ←
15:28:44 <Karen> …please send to me
…please send to me ←
15:28:52 <Karen> Liza: Good to send to the entire IG
Liza Daly: Good to send to the entire IG ←
15:28:55 <Karen> Ivan: I agree
Ivan Herman: I agree ←
15:28:59 <Zakim> -duga
Zakim IRC Bot: -duga ←
15:29:00 <Karen> …there may be something else
…there may be something else ←
15:29:05 <clapierre> yes I do
Charles LaPierre: yes I do ←
15:29:16 <Karen> …Gerardo and a colleague of ours, Doug Schepers, have begun to work more seriously on SVG accessibility issues
…Gerardo and a colleague of ours, Doug Schepers, have begun to work more seriously on SVG accessibility issues ←
15:29:23 <Karen> …that is much more vague; there is no final document
…that is much more vague; there is no final document ←
15:29:39 <Karen> …but with SVG coming to the fore for fixed-layout books, for example, that might be important here
…but with SVG coming to the fore for fixed-layout books, for example, that might be important here ←
15:29:44 <Karen> …But I don't know where we are with that
…But I don't know where we are with that ←
15:29:48 <Karen> …Maybe Gerardo knows
…Maybe Gerardo knows ←
15:29:58 <Karen> …Looking at that from publications POV could be interesting
…Looking at that from publications POV could be interesting ←
15:30:09 <Karen> Charles: Gerardo mentioned them to me; to read up on this
Charles LaPierre: Gerardo mentioned them to me; to read up on this ←
15:30:16 <Karen> …could have Accessibility implications
…could have Accessibility implications ←
15:30:18 <Karen> Ivan: yes
Ivan Herman: yes ←
15:30:25 <Karen> ..I think that is all I have, Liza
..I think that is all I have, Liza ←
15:30:40 <Karen> Liza: We don't have to decide what the next call will be about, but we will go on hiatus until when?
Liza Daly: We don't have to decide what the next call will be about, but we will go on hiatus until when? ←
15:30:46 <Karen> Ivan: I think we said 11 August
Ivan Herman: I think we said 11 August ←
15:30:57 <Karen> Liza: Sounds like Accessibility group will have some things to report then
Liza Daly: Sounds like Accessibility group will have some things to report then ←
15:31:07 <Karen> Ivan; [laughs] they will have everything done!
Ivan; [laughs] they will have everything done! ←
15:31:18 <Karen> Liza: We'll continue talking amongst ourselves for the next group meeting
Liza Daly: We'll continue talking amongst ourselves for the next group meeting ←
15:31:22 <Karen> …I have nothing further
…I have nothing further ←
15:31:30 <Karen> …other than to wish people happy vacations
…other than to wish people happy vacations ←
15:31:37 <Karen> Liza: See you in August!
Liza Daly: See you in August! ←
15:31:38 <Zakim> -Luc
Zakim IRC Bot: -Luc ←
15:31:39 <Zakim> -liza
Zakim IRC Bot: -liza ←
15:31:39 <Zakim> -astein
Zakim IRC Bot: -astein ←
15:31:40 <Zakim> -dkaplan
Zakim IRC Bot: -dkaplan ←
15:31:40 <Zakim> -dauwhe
Zakim IRC Bot: -dauwhe ←
15:31:41 <Zakim> -fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: -fjh ←
15:31:42 <Zakim> -clapierre
Zakim IRC Bot: -clapierre ←
15:31:43 <Zakim> -pkra
Zakim IRC Bot: -pkra ←
15:31:44 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
15:31:45 <Karen> rrsagent, draft mintues
rrsagent, draft mintues ←
15:31:45 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft mintues', Karen. Try /msg RRSAgent help
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft mintues', Karen. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←
15:31:46 <Zakim> -astearns_
Zakim IRC Bot: -astearns_ ←
15:31:58 <Karen> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:31:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/07-dpub-minutes.html Karen
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/07-dpub-minutes.html Karen ←
15:32:01 <Zakim> -murakami
Zakim IRC Bot: -murakami ←
15:32:20 <Zakim> -tmichel
Zakim IRC Bot: -tmichel ←
15:32:40 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers
Zakim IRC Bot: -Karen_Myers ←
15:36:17 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:36:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see AH_Miller, +1.734.904.aaii
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AH_Miller, +1.734.904.aaii ←
15:36:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, murakami, brady_duga, tmichel, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, Karen, ivan, pkra, plinss, astearns_, liam, dkaplan, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, murakami, brady_duga, tmichel, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, Karen, ivan, pkra, plinss, astearns_, liam, dkaplan, trackbot ←
15:39:17 <Zakim> - +1.734.904.aaii
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.734.904.aaii ←
15:40:29 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:40:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see AH_Miller
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AH_Miller ←
15:40:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see murakami, tmichel, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, Karen, ivan, pkra, plinss, astearns_, liam, dkaplan, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see murakami, tmichel, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, Karen, ivan, pkra, plinss, astearns_, liam, dkaplan, trackbot ←
15:40:57 <ivan> zakim, drop AH_Miller
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop AH_Miller ←
15:40:57 <Zakim> AH_Miller is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: AH_Miller is being disconnected ←
15:40:58 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended ←
15:40:58 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.240.421.aaaa, Ivan, +1.617.439.aabb, AH_Miller, liza, +1.917.207.aacc, +33.1.41.23.aadd, Karen_Myers, dauwhe, Luc, duga, +1.617.858.aaee, +1.408.979.aaff,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.240.421.aaaa, Ivan, +1.617.439.aabb, AH_Miller, liza, +1.917.207.aacc, +33.1.41.23.aadd, Karen_Myers, dauwhe, Luc, duga, +1.617.858.aaee, +1.408.979.aaff, ←
15:40:58 <Zakim> ... +1.206.675.aagg, dkaplan, astearns_, pkra, +1.217.300.aahh, astein, murakami, clapierre, tmichel, +1.734.904.aaii, fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.206.675.aagg, dkaplan, astearns_, pkra, +1.217.300.aahh, astein, murakami, clapierre, tmichel, +1.734.904.aaii, fjh ←
15:41:06 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
Ivan Herman: trackbot, end telcon ←
15:41:06 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
15:41:06 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is ←
15:41:14 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
15:41:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/07-dpub-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/07-dpub-minutes.html trackbot ←
15:41:15 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
15:41:15 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/07-dpub-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/07-dpub-actions.rdf : ←
15:41:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Thierry to contact PF staff contact to arrange meeting [1]
ACTION: Thierry to contact PF staff contact to arrange meeting [1] ←
15:41:15 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/07-dpub-irc#T15-19-49
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/07-dpub-irc#T15-19-49 ←
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