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<ivan>Guest: Alexander (alex) Garcia, American Psychological Association
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14:54:34 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
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15:01:04 <azaroth> madi: /me is Rob Sanderson :)
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15:01:37 <brady_duga> zakim, aagg is duga
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<ivan>Present: tmichel, Sharad, SuzanneT, dauwhe, madi, tzviya, walkley, azaroth, mgylling, fjh, ivan, liam, Pdanet
15:02:50 <mgylling> Regrets: Peter Linss, Bert Bos, Vladimir Levantovsky, Tom DeNies
15:02:53 <ivan> Guest: Jean (JeanKaplanksky) Kaplansky, Aptara
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15:03:46 <ivan> zakim, aaii is Sharad
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15:03:55 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
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15:04:30 <ivan> zakim, aahh is SuzanneT
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15:04:45 <ivan> zakim, ??P7 is mgylling
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15:05:57 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
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15:05:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see walkley, azaroth, Ivan, tzviya, +44.797.077.aadd, dauwhe, fjh, JeanKaplanksky, duga, mgylling, SuzanneT, Sharad, +33.1.43.92.aajj
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15:06:29 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
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15:06:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see walkley, azaroth, Ivan, tzviya, +44.797.077.aadd, dauwhe, fjh, JeanKaplanksky, duga, mgylling, SuzanneT, Sharad, +33.1.43.92.aajj
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15:06:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see SuzanneT, Sharad, JeanKaplanksky, brady_duga, dauwhe, madi, tzviya, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, azaroth, mgylling, fjh, karenm, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro
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15:06:37 <Zakim> +Liam
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15:06:42 <ivan> zakim, aadd is madi
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15:07:25 <Zakim> +??P36
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15:08:06 <azaroth> zakim, scribe is azaroth
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15:08:07 <Zakim> sorry, azaroth, I do not recognize a party named 'scribe'
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15:08:49 <walkley> zakim, aajj is Pdanet
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15:08:55 <azaroth> scribe is azaroth
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15:09:20 <fjh> ScribeNick: azaroth
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15:09:23 <azaroth> Madi: Minutes of last week. Any questions from last week?
Madi Solomon: Minutes of last week. Any questions from last week? ←
15:09:40 <azaroth> ... Please register for TPAC meeting.
... Please register for TPAC meeting. ←
15:10:04 <azaroth> Ivan: Even sooner than as possible. Hotels are filling up and getting to China takes a long time to organize.
Ivan Herman: Even sooner than as possible. Hotels are filling up and getting to China takes a long time to organize. ←
15:10:34 <azaroth> mgylling: My invitation was rejected by the embassy. Missing a physical street address and they haven't gotten back to me yet.
Markus Gylling: My invitation was rejected by the embassy. Missing a physical street address and they haven't gotten back to me yet. ←
15:11:10 <azaroth> ... last week we asked plinss to confirm if we can have a slot with CSS, but he isn't here this week. Need to confirm or not still.
... last week we asked plinss to confirm if we can have a slot with CSS, but he isn't here this week. Need to confirm or not still. ←
15:11:21 <liam> [ CSS meets on Wednesdays ]
Liam Quin: [ CSS meets on Wednesdays ] ←
15:11:32 <azaroth> Madi: Shall we move on to new members.
Madi Solomon: Shall we move on to new members. ←
15:11:34 <Zakim> +??P37
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15:11:48 <azaroth> ... ??? is a new member.
... ??? is a new member. ←
15:12:10 <azaroth> SuzanneT: Primarily involved in accessibility.
Suzanne Taylor: Primarily involved in accessibility. ←
15:12:46 <madi> Jan McSorely
Madi Solomon: Jan McSorely ←
15:13:07 <azaroth> Jan McSorely: Also from Pearson, asked to join
Jan McSorely: Also from Pearson, asked to join ←
15:13:14 <ivan> Guest: Jan McSorely, Pearson
15:13:41 <azaroth> madi: Three new use cases on accessibility and personalization
Madi Solomon: Three new use cases on accessibility and personalization ←
15:13:52 <madi> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/ReadingDisorder_UC#Accessibility
Madi Solomon: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/ReadingDisorder_UC#Accessibility ←
15:14:11 <azaroth> ... would like to walk through them. Pretty simple ones so far, just the tip of the iceberg
... would like to walk through them. Pretty simple ones so far, just the tip of the iceberg ←
15:14:33 <azaroth> Jan: Suzanne has other use cases too. Would love guidance on how to make these ones better
Jan McSorely: Suzanne has other use cases too. Would love guidance on how to make these ones better ←
15:14:58 <azaroth> ... My role in pearson - just hired in june as accessibility specialist. More of assistive tech specialist.
... My role in pearson - just hired in june as accessibility specialist. More of assistive tech specialist. ←
15:15:20 <azaroth> ... Use cases are about students with disabilities. written for computer based assessment.
... Use cases are about students with disabilities. written for computer based assessment. ←
15:15:38 <azaroth> madi : Accessibility in education is critical
madi : Accessibility in education is critical ←
15:15:45 <azaroth> ... Need to make it a priority
... Need to make it a priority ←
15:16:25 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:16:46 <azaroth> Jan: Student with learning disability for reading. Does better with graphic support. Text highlighting etc improve comprehension
Jan McSorely: Student with learning disability for reading. Does better with graphic support. Text highlighting etc improve comprehension ←
15:17:25 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:17:25 <azaroth> ... Also likely to have difficulty with memory and learning new material. School would like text that student can hear and see at the same time
... Also likely to have difficulty with memory and learning new material. School would like text that student can hear and see at the same time ←
15:17:34 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:17:49 <azaroth> ... Specific use cases to distinguish different features
... Specific use cases to distinguish different features ←
15:18:49 <azaroth> ... Hard to get access for free for kids to electronic texts. Bookshare and learning ally two services that are federally funded. Provide access to digitized text.
... Hard to get access for free for kids to electronic texts. Bookshare and learning ally two services that are federally funded. Provide access to digitized text. ←
15:19:02 <azaroth> ... One records audio and working on sync with highlight in text.
... One records audio and working on sync with highlight in text. ←
15:19:26 <azaroth> ... Can read in logical order, rather than top/bottom left/right
... Can read in logical order, rather than top/bottom left/right ←
15:19:44 <azaroth> ... In schools, educator needs to know copyright restrictions
... In schools, educator needs to know copyright restrictions ←
15:19:57 <azaroth> ... accessible everything is the ideal solution
... accessible everything is the ideal solution ←
15:20:26 <azaroth> ... Have to jump through hoops at the moment.
... Have to jump through hoops at the moment. ←
15:20:45 <azaroth> madi : Would student end up getting access?
SuzanneT : Would student end up getting access? ←
15:21:14 <azaroth> Jan: Majority of the time they don't. Good IT team can help. Library of Congress has strict interpretation of who can get access.
Jan McSorely: Majority of the time they don't. Good IT team can help. Library of Congress has strict interpretation of who can get access. ←
15:21:33 <azaroth> ... Medical doctor has to say physical issue causing a learning disability
... Medical doctor has to say physical issue causing a learning disability ←
15:21:52 <ivan> s/madi/SuzanneT/
15:22:47 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
15:22:52 <azaroth> madi : Do we want to capture these use cases, or too complex?
madi : Do we want to capture these use cases, or too complex? ←
15:23:09 <azaroth> mgylling: Very big field, with lots of new things coming up. eg APIP
Markus Gylling: Very big field, with lots of new things coming up. eg APIP ←
15:23:10 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen_Myers ←
15:23:21 <azaroth> ... What we're doing in this group is to focus on w3c technologies
... What we're doing in this group is to focus on w3c technologies ←
15:23:33 <ivan> Guest: Karen (karenm) Myers, W3C
15:23:39 <azaroth> ... metadata important, accessibility as well. Need coordination moving forwards.
... metadata important, accessibility as well. Need coordination moving forwards. ←
15:23:43 <alex> I am new to the group. Alexander Garcia, from the American Psychological Association
Alexander Garcia: I am new to the group. Alexander Garcia, from the American Psychological Association ←
15:23:55 <azaroth> ... APIP and PNP are good, attempting to address parts of the problem.
... APIP and PNP are good, attempting to address parts of the problem. ←
15:24:25 <azaroth> madi: Relations and dependencies
Madi Solomon: Relations and dependencies ←
15:24:28 <azaroth> ... ?
... ? ←
15:24:38 <azaroth> mgylling: We want another field to point outside the w3c
Markus Gylling: We want another field to point outside the w3c ←
15:25:17 <azaroth> mgylling: External relevant groups/specifications. Template for use case in the side bar, where the fields are defined. Should clarify
Markus Gylling: External relevant groups/specifications. Template for use case in the side bar, where the fields are defined. Should clarify ←
15:25:23 <ivan> q?
Ivan Herman: q? ←
15:25:40 <alex> which is the url for the template?
Alexander Garcia: which is the url for the template? ←
15:25:57 <ivan> ack tzviya
Ivan Herman: ack tzviya ←
15:25:58 <azaroth> ???: This brings to mind other orgs, such as Benentech
Tzviya Siegman: This brings to mind other orgs, such as Benentech ←
15:26:14 <ivan> s/???/tzviya/
15:26:28 <azaroth> ... seems like there's more than one use case here. read aloud is one issue, direction is another, time is maybe not addressed in a spec
... seems like there's more than one use case here. read aloud is one issue, direction is another, time is maybe not addressed in a spec ←
15:27:26 <azaroth> ???: Third party to adjust the time on testing for education
Suzanne Taylor: Third party to adjust the time on testing for education ←
15:27:29 <Zakim> -duga
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15:27:46 <azaroth> tzviya: Like the category education professional.
Tzviya Siegman: Like the category education professional. ←
15:27:50 <azaroth> mgylling: Categories still open
Markus Gylling: Categories still open ←
15:28:04 <SuzanneT> s/???/SuzanneT
15:28:16 <Pdanet> It's Benetech : http://benetech.org/
Pierre Danet: It's Benetech : http://benetech.org/ ←
15:28:24 <Zakim> +duga
Zakim IRC Bot: +duga ←
15:28:29 <azaroth> ivan: We have to work on these use cases to separate issues on w3c and not.
Ivan Herman: We have to work on these use cases to separate issues on w3c and not. ←
15:28:49 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
15:29:03 <azaroth> ... Have a guest from benetech in the group, so may participate. More general question, already began to set up task forces into areas.
... Have a guest from benetech in the group, so may participate. More general question, already began to set up task forces into areas. ←
15:29:20 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:29:21 <azaroth> ... wonder if accessibility in general should be a task force?
... wonder if accessibility in general should be a task force? ←
15:29:41 <azaroth> ... Lots of things that are inter-related in use cases.
... Lots of things that are inter-related in use cases. ←
15:30:00 <azaroth> mgylling: Agree. What we've been missing so far is enough people to start thinking about it.
Markus Gylling: Agree. What we've been missing so far is enough people to start thinking about it. ←
15:30:30 <azaroth> ... know that Rich Sw??? with IBM, prominent figure in WAI, is hopefully going to join soon.
... know that Rich Schwerdtfeger with IBM, prominent figure in WAI, is hopefully going to join soon. ←
15:30:52 <azaroth> ... To accelerate the creation of group we can announce and start marketing it to people interested
... To accelerate the creation of group we can announce and start marketing it to people interested ←
15:31:11 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:31:21 <azaroth> Ivan: If Benetech joins IG, they will be interested in area as well. So will have enough muscle
Ivan Herman: If Benetech joins IG, they will be interested in area as well. So will have enough muscle ←
15:31:24 <mgylling> s/Rich Sw???/Rich Schwerdtfeger
15:31:44 <ivan> ack aagg
Ivan Herman: ack aagg ←
15:31:53 <mgylling> q+
Markus Gylling: q+ ←
15:32:01 <ivan> ack tzviya
Ivan Herman: ack tzviya ←
15:32:25 <azaroth> tzviya: Worked with accessbility orgs over the summer, will be follow up. happy to reach out to groups, several would be interested in joining
Tzviya Siegman: Worked with accessbility orgs over the summer, will be follow up. happy to reach out to groups, several would be interested in joining ←
15:32:30 <azaroth> +1
+1 ←
15:32:45 <ivan> ack mgylling
Ivan Herman: ack mgylling ←
15:33:14 <azaroth> mgylling: First use case, how does it relate to PnP?
Markus Gylling: First use case, how does it relate to PnP? ←
15:33:51 <azaroth> jan: Specific information about the user needs. Lots of theoretical stuff in the IMS standard 1.0, so accommodations to say that students can have access according to their needs
Jan McSorely: Specific information about the user needs. Lots of theoretical stuff in the IMS standard 1.0, so accommodations to say that students can have access according to their needs ←
15:34:16 <azaroth> ... so some students allowed to have passages read aloud in a test, for example. Which can be controversial.
... so some students allowed to have passages read aloud in a test, for example. Which can be controversial. ←
15:34:55 <azaroth> ... Other issues about braille that don't have a good handle on. Would be beneficial for w3c folk to be involved so can bring issues to the table
... Other issues about braille that don't have a good handle on. Would be beneficial for w3c folk to be involved so can bring issues to the table ←
15:35:13 <azaroth> ... eg difference between right by law and technically possible
... eg difference between right by law and technically possible ←
15:35:31 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:35:33 <azaroth> mgylling: Want listing of relevant specs. Turn acronyms into links to specs.
Markus Gylling: Want listing of relevant specs. Turn acronyms into links to specs. ←
15:35:57 <azaroth> Jan: Put schema into a word doc to work through. Can post that.
Jan McSorely: Put schema into a word doc to work through. Can post that. ←
15:36:08 <azaroth> ... Maybe better understanding of where they're going
... Maybe better understanding of where they're going ←
15:36:14 <azaroth> q+
q+ ←
15:36:55 <azaroth> Ivan: Education group in W3C is clear. Accessbility metadata - what are you refering to there?
Ivan Herman: Education group in W3C is clear. Accessbility metadata - what are you refering to there? ←
15:37:08 <azaroth> ... Know there's one for schema.org. This one?
... Know there's one for schema.org. This one? ←
15:37:18 <mgylling> "Relevant W3C groups" should include IndieUI: http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/
Markus Gylling: "Relevant W3C groups" should include IndieUI: http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/ ←
15:37:24 <azaroth> ???: Only reference that I had. so I added it.
Madi Solomon: Only reference that I had. so I added it. ←
15:37:30 <mgylling> … which has some overlap with PNP, possibly
Markus Gylling: … which has some overlap with PNP, possibly ←
15:37:42 <azaroth> Ivan: Work with the accessbility people to get the right specs, etc.
Ivan Herman: Work with the accessbility people to get the right specs, etc. ←
15:37:46 <ivan> s/???/Madi/
15:37:53 <azaroth> ... Fear is that there isn't such a group
... Fear is that there isn't such a group ←
15:38:08 <azaroth> ... No dedicated group for accessbility metadata directly
... No dedicated group for accessbility metadata directly ←
15:38:10 <Zakim> +??P10
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10 ←
15:38:13 <tzviya> what about http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/?
Tzviya Siegman: what about http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/? ←
15:38:20 <azaroth> mgylling: Just posted one (IndieUI)
Markus Gylling: Just posted one (IndieUI) ←
15:38:35 <tmichel> thierry rejoining ...
Thierry Michel: thierry rejoining ... ←
15:38:37 <azaroth> mgylling: Preferences if you will
Markus Gylling: Preferences if you will ←
15:38:40 <ivan> zakim, ??P10 is tmichel
Ivan Herman: zakim, ??P10 is tmichel ←
15:38:40 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +tmichel; got it ←
15:38:49 <ivan> q?
Ivan Herman: q? ←
15:38:53 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
15:39:03 <ivan> ack azaroth
Ivan Herman: ack azaroth ←
15:40:26 <ivan> q?
Ivan Herman: q? ←
15:40:31 <azaroth> azaroth: Could put EPUB back into this new field. So should go back to the previous "fixed" use cases
Robert Sanderson: Could put EPUB back into this new field. So should go back to the previous "fixed" use cases ←
15:40:39 <azaroth> madi: Moving on...
Madi Solomon: Moving on... ←
15:40:42 <madi> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dyslexia_UC#Accessibility
Madi Solomon: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dyslexia_UC#Accessibility ←
15:40:56 <azaroth> madi: Accessibility has lots of unique use cases
Madi Solomon: Accessibility has lots of unique use cases ←
15:41:12 <azaroth> SuzanneT: Dyslexia have different types of needs, several related to visual perception
Jan McSorely: Dyslexia have different types of needs, several related to visual perception ←
15:41:34 <ivan> s/SuzanneT/Jan/
15:41:34 <azaroth> ... Student uses assistive technology, can annotate, bookmark and navigate due to DAISY formatting
... Student uses assistive technology, can annotate, bookmark and navigate due to DAISY formatting ←
15:42:15 <azaroth> ... Some need fonts, some not. Some fonts are weighted, eg Open Dyslexia font with differences in ascenders/descenders
... Some need fonts, some not. Some fonts are weighted, eg Open Dyslexia font with differences in ascenders/descenders ←
15:42:26 <azaroth> ... Need control over this. Adjusting whitespace necessary too.
... Need control over this. Adjusting whitespace necessary too. ←
15:43:06 <azaroth> ... Colored overlay capabilities to change fore/background.
... Colored overlay capabilities to change fore/background. ←
15:43:13 <azaroth> ... Ability to bookmark, annotate.
... Ability to bookmark, annotate. ←
15:43:17 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:43:44 <azaroth> ... Text highlighting. Research shows that its beneficial for students to do this.
... Text highlighting. Research shows that its beneficial for students to do this. ←
15:43:45 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
15:43:45 <mgylling> q+
Markus Gylling: q+ ←
15:44:03 <azaroth> Ivan: Typical case where we combine use cases. Lots of use cases already on annotation.
Ivan Herman: Typical case where we combine use cases. Lots of use cases already on annotation. ←
15:44:17 <azaroth> Ivan: This is what we want.
Ivan Herman: This is what we want. ←
15:44:33 <alex> sorry
Alexander Garcia: sorry ←
15:44:35 <azaroth> mgylling: Agree, relations and dependences field. See the web of things being linked together
Markus Gylling: Agree, relations and dependences field. See the web of things being linked together ←
15:44:38 <alex> but which is the url for the use cases?
Alexander Garcia: but which is the url for the use cases? ←
15:44:58 <azaroth> Jan: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Social_Reading_and_Annotations
Jan McSorely: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Social_Reading_and_Annotations ←
15:45:33 <azaroth> azaroth: Will link to accessbilities cases
Robert Sanderson: Will link to accessbilities cases ←
15:45:49 <azaroth> mgylling: We're collecting requirements on the open web platform for things it can't do for us yet
Markus Gylling: We're collecting requirements on the open web platform for things it can't do for us yet ←
15:45:50 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory directory of use cases
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory directory of use cases ←
15:46:18 <azaroth> ... most of them are things that can't be done in OWP. Eg customizing fonts and colors hard to get to work satisfactorily
... most of them are things that can't be done in OWP. Eg customizing fonts and colors hard to get to work satisfactorily ←
15:46:23 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
15:46:31 <azaroth> ... so all these bullets are great input for things we need to work on
... so all these bullets are great input for things we need to work on ←
15:46:35 <azaroth> ... don't understand the first one
... don't understand the first one ←
15:47:03 <azaroth> Jan: In terms of what they're using, have DAISY formatted books. Not familiar with EPUB3 capabilities.
Jan McSorely: In terms of what they're using, have DAISY formatted books. Not familiar with EPUB3 capabilities. ←
15:47:21 <azaroth> ... Not may be the right place for that bullet
... Not may be the right place for that bullet ←
15:47:30 <Zakim> -duga
Zakim IRC Bot: -duga ←
15:47:34 <azaroth> mgylling: Requirements should be like the rest. Imperative functionality. Features.
Markus Gylling: Requirements should be like the rest. Imperative functionality. Features. ←
15:47:50 <azaroth> Jan: Will take that out and talk about features. Navigation capabilities by chapter, page etc.
Jan McSorely: Will take that out and talk about features. Navigation capabilities by chapter, page etc. ←
15:48:17 <azaroth> Madi: Go further down, revise EPUB/DAISY from relevant groups
Madi Solomon: Go further down, revise EPUB/DAISY from relevant groups ←
15:48:34 <Zakim> +duga
Zakim IRC Bot: +duga ←
15:48:36 <Zakim> -duga
Zakim IRC Bot: -duga ←
15:48:50 <azaroth> madi: Third accessbility case
Madi Solomon: Third accessbility case ←
15:49:05 <madi> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/CerebralPalsy_UC#Accessibility
Madi Solomon: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/CerebralPalsy_UC#Accessibility ←
15:49:41 <azaroth> Jan: One thing important is that the students have access to different types of assistive technology. Would be good for the content to be compatible with the technology, tech compatible with guidelines
Jan McSorely: One thing important is that the students have access to different types of assistive technology. Would be good for the content to be compatible with the technology, tech compatible with guidelines ←
15:50:02 <azaroth> ... Student has poor fine motor skills and speech. Switch interface for wheel chair and computer. Word prediction software.
... Student has poor fine motor skills and speech. Switch interface for wheel chair and computer. Word prediction software. ←
15:50:19 <azaroth> ... Can't use voice recognition software. Need to navigate easily.
... Can't use voice recognition software. Need to navigate easily. ←
15:50:29 <azaroth> ... Full keyboard navigation, nothing mouse dependent
... Full keyboard navigation, nothing mouse dependent ←
15:51:04 <azaroth> ... Word prediction software needs contextual algorithm. very different from phone.
... Word prediction software needs contextual algorithm. very different from phone. ←
15:51:17 <azaroth> ... based on word we're trying to type on the phone, not the sentence.
... based on word we're trying to type on the phone, not the sentence. ←
15:51:46 <azaroth> ... Customized to student's vocab and context. In testing situation has to be turned off
... Customized to student's vocab and context. In testing situation has to be turned off ←
15:52:08 <azaroth> ... Not sure that it has relevance in DPUB?
... Not sure that it has relevance in DPUB? ←
15:52:31 <azaroth> Ivan: Not something I can attach to anything in W3C.
Ivan Herman: Not something I can attach to anything in W3C. ←
15:52:50 <azaroth> Jan: How would you document it? Important to know what assistive technology they might use?
Jan McSorely: How would you document it? Important to know what assistive technology they might use? ←
15:53:21 <azaroth> Ivan: Important because outsiders need to know requirements. Whether realization hits some big problem when relying on W3C technology?
Ivan Herman: Important because outsiders need to know requirements. Whether realization hits some big problem when relying on W3C technology? ←
15:53:44 <azaroth> ... Some sort of thought experiment about how they should be implemented, building blocks that must be around, in order to do that
... Some sort of thought experiment about how they should be implemented, building blocks that must be around, in order to do that ←
15:53:50 <azaroth> ... Should be able to answer eventually
... Should be able to answer eventually ←
15:54:02 <azaroth> ... Features that we have to take care of.
... Features that we have to take care of. ←
15:54:13 <azaroth> Jan: How to document them in the use case? Part of Narrative?
Jan McSorely: How to document them in the use case? Part of Narrative? ←
15:54:38 <azaroth> Ivan: Narrative is fine with me. Kind of work task force will have to do is the thought experiment. What does implementation require
Ivan Herman: Narrative is fine with me. Kind of work task force will have to do is the thought experiment. What does implementation require ←
15:55:14 <azaroth> ???: These use cases help us think of the problems, can be parents of more specific ones
Suzanne Taylor: These use cases help us think of the problems, can be parents of more specific ones ←
15:55:29 <SuzanneT> s/???/SuzanneT
15:56:08 <azaroth> madi: Anyone want to add to this? (...) Okay. Thanks to new people.
Madi Solomon: Anyone want to add to this? (...) Okay. Thanks to new people. ←
15:56:38 <Zakim> -madi
Zakim IRC Bot: -madi ←
15:56:42 <azaroth> ... Eager to work on this sort of thing, so thanks for your work Jan. Thanks to Rob for scribing.
... Eager to work on this sort of thing, so thanks for your work Jan. Thanks to Rob for scribing. ←
15:56:53 <madi> oops, I just left. Thanks everyone!
Madi Solomon: oops, I just left. Thanks everyone! ←
15:57:05 <azaroth> mgylling: Started pagination task force last week. Want to make sure there's a time line. Dave anything to say?
Markus Gylling: Started pagination task force last week. Want to make sure there's a time line. Dave anything to say? ←
15:57:21 <azaroth> Dave Cramer: Started early work to describe pagination. Something concrete to respond to.
Dave Cramer: Started early work to describe pagination. Something concrete to respond to. ←
15:57:29 <azaroth> ... Plan is to share before next week's call.
... Plan is to share before next week's call. ←
15:57:57 <azaroth> mgylling: Will reserve time next week for pagination. Many people travelling next week to Frankfurt
Markus Gylling: Will reserve time next week for pagination. Many people travelling next week to Frankfurt ←
15:58:04 <Pdanet> Absolutely ! on the way to FRKFRT
Pierre Danet: Absolutely ! on the way to FRKFRT ←
15:58:31 <azaroth> ... accessibility task force - do we have a volunteer lead from Pearson?
... accessibility task force - do we have a volunteer lead from Pearson? ←
15:58:40 <azaroth> SuzanneT: Happy to lead that task force
Suzanne Taylor: Happy to lead that task force ←
15:58:49 <madi> Thank you Suzanne!
Madi Solomon: Thank you Suzanne! ←
15:58:57 <azaroth> mgylling: Suggest devote time next week to how to build the group and structure the work
Markus Gylling: Suggest devote time next week to how to build the group and structure the work ←
15:59:21 <Zakim> -Sharad
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sharad ←
15:59:33 <Zakim> -tzviya
Zakim IRC Bot: -tzviya ←
15:59:35 <Zakim> -Pdanet
Zakim IRC Bot: -Pdanet ←
15:59:36 <Zakim> -walkley
Zakim IRC Bot: -walkley ←
15:59:37 <Zakim> -JeanKaplanksky
Zakim IRC Bot: -JeanKaplanksky ←
15:59:39 <Zakim> -Liam
Zakim IRC Bot: -Liam ←
15:59:41 <Zakim> -??P37
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P37 ←
15:59:49 <Zakim> -fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: -fjh ←
15:59:53 <Zakim> -azaroth
Zakim IRC Bot: -azaroth ←
15:59:55 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
15:59:59 <tmichel> zakim, who is here?
Thierry Michel: zakim, who is here? ←
15:59:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see dauwhe, mgylling, SuzanneT, ??P36, Karen_Myers, tmichel
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see dauwhe, mgylling, SuzanneT, ??P36, Karen_Myers, tmichel ←
16:00:00 <madi> Markus: call me at (44) 2-7 010 2335?
Markus Gylling: call me at (44) 2-7 010 2335? [ Scribe Assist by Madi Solomon ] ←
16:00:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see tmichel, Sharad, SuzanneT, JeanKaplanksky, dauwhe, madi, tzviya, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, azaroth, mgylling, fjh, karenm, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tmichel, Sharad, SuzanneT, JeanKaplanksky, dauwhe, madi, tzviya, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, azaroth, mgylling, fjh, karenm, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro ←
16:00:01 <Zakim> -dauwhe
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16:00:05 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers
Zakim IRC Bot: -Karen_Myers ←
16:00:09 <Zakim> -SuzanneT
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16:00:29 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes
Thierry Michel: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:00:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/30-dpub-minutes.html tmichel
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