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Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 30 September 2013

Present
Thierry Michel, Sharad Garg, Suzanne Taylor, Dave Cramer, Madi Solomon, Tzviya Siegman, George Walkley, Robert Sanderson, Markus Gylling, Frederick Hirsch, Ivan Herman, Liam Quin, Pierre Danet
Guests
Alexander Garcia (American Psychological Association), Jean Kaplansky (Aptara), Jan McSorely (Pearson), Karen Myers (W3C)
Regrets
Peter Linss, Bert Bos, Vladimir Levantovsky, Tom De Nies
Scribe
Robert Sanderson
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions

None.

Topics
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<ivan>Guest: Alexander (alex) Garcia, American Psychological Association
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14:54:34 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:54:34 <trackbot> Date: 30 September 2013
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14:54:42 <fjh> zakim, code?

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14:58:07 <Zakim> + +1.505.603.aaaa

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14:58:23 <azaroth> Zakim, aaaa is azaroth

Robert Sanderson: Zakim, aaaa is azaroth

14:58:23 <Zakim> +azaroth; got it

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14:59:09 <Zakim> +Ivan

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14:59:29 <Zakim> + +1.661.748.aabb

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14:59:35 <Zakim> + +44.797.077.aadd

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14:59:49 <Zakim> - +1.661.748.aabb

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14:59:59 <azaroth> Zakim, who is here?

Robert Sanderson: Zakim, who is here?

14:59:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P6, azaroth, Ivan, +1.201.748.aacc, +44.797.077.aadd, +1.413.325.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P6, azaroth, Ivan, +1.201.748.aacc, +44.797.077.aadd, +1.413.325.aaee

15:00:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see brady_duga, dauwhe, madi, tzviya, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, azaroth, mgylling, fjh, karenm, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see brady_duga, dauwhe, madi, tzviya, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, azaroth, mgylling, fjh, karenm, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro

15:00:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:00:07 <walkley> zakim, ??P6 is walkley

George Walkley: zakim, ??P6 is walkley

15:00:08 <Zakim> +walkley; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +walkley; got it

15:00:14 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, [IPcaller] is me

15:00:15 <Zakim> +fjh; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it

15:00:17 <dauwhe> zakim, aaee is dauwhe

Dave Cramer: zakim, aaee is dauwhe

15:00:17 <Zakim> +dauwhe; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dauwhe; got it

15:00:23 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch

Frederick Hirsch: Present+ Frederick_Hirsch

15:00:26 <Zakim> + +1.518.581.aaff

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15:00:46 <Zakim> + +1.650.404.aagg

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15:01:04 <azaroth> madi: /me is Rob Sanderson :)

Madi Solomon: /me is Rob Sanderson :) [ Scribe Assist by Robert Sanderson ]

15:01:37 <brady_duga> zakim, aagg is duga

Brady Duga: zakim, aagg is duga

15:01:37 <Zakim> +duga; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +duga; got it

15:01:44 <fjh> zakim, where is 650?

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, where is 650?

15:01:44 <Zakim> North American dialing code 1.650 is California

Zakim IRC Bot: North American dialing code 1.650 is California

15:01:55 <Zakim> +??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7

15:02:13 <ivan> zakim, aaff is JeanKaplanksky

Ivan Herman: zakim, aaff is JeanKaplanksky

15:02:14 <Zakim> +JeanKaplanksky; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JeanKaplanksky; got it

15:02:34 <ivan> zakim, aacc is tzviya

Ivan Herman: zakim, aacc is tzviya

15:02:34 <Zakim> +tzviya; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +tzviya; got it

15:02:35 <azaroth> Zakim, aacc is tzviya

Robert Sanderson: Zakim, aacc is tzviya

15:02:36 <Zakim> sorry, azaroth, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, azaroth, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'

<ivan>Present: tmichel, Sharad, SuzanneT, dauwhe, madi, tzviya, walkley, azaroth, mgylling, fjh, ivan, liam, Pdanet
15:02:50 <mgylling> Regrets: Peter Linss, Bert Bos, Vladimir Levantovsky, Tom DeNies
15:02:53 <ivan> Guest: Jean (JeanKaplanksky) Kaplansky, Aptara
15:02:55 <Zakim> + +1.201.390.aahh

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15:03:11 <Zakim> + +1.503.456.aaii

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15:03:36 <Zakim> + +33.1.43.92.aajj

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15:03:46 <ivan> zakim, aaii is Sharad

Ivan Herman: zakim, aaii is Sharad

15:03:46 <Zakim> +Sharad; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sharad; got it

15:03:55 <ivan> zakim, who is here?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here?

15:03:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see walkley, azaroth, Ivan, tzviya, +44.797.077.aadd, dauwhe, fjh, JeanKaplanksky, duga, ??P7, +1.201.390.aahh, Sharad, +33.1.43.92.aajj

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see walkley, azaroth, Ivan, tzviya, +44.797.077.aadd, dauwhe, fjh, JeanKaplanksky, duga, ??P7, +1.201.390.aahh, Sharad, +33.1.43.92.aajj

15:03:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sharad, JeanKaplanksky, brady_duga, dauwhe, madi, tzviya, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, azaroth, mgylling, fjh, karenm, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Sharad, JeanKaplanksky, brady_duga, dauwhe, madi, tzviya, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, azaroth, mgylling, fjh, karenm, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro

15:04:30 <ivan> zakim, aahh is SuzanneT

Ivan Herman: zakim, aahh is SuzanneT

15:04:30 <Zakim> +SuzanneT; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SuzanneT; got it

15:04:45 <ivan> zakim, ??P7 is mgylling

Ivan Herman: zakim, ??P7 is mgylling

15:04:46 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +mgylling; got it

15:05:57 <ivan> zakim, who is here?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here?

15:05:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see walkley, azaroth, Ivan, tzviya, +44.797.077.aadd, dauwhe, fjh, JeanKaplanksky, duga, mgylling, SuzanneT, Sharad, +33.1.43.92.aajj

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see walkley, azaroth, Ivan, tzviya, +44.797.077.aadd, dauwhe, fjh, JeanKaplanksky, duga, mgylling, SuzanneT, Sharad, +33.1.43.92.aajj

15:05:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see SuzanneT, Sharad, JeanKaplanksky, brady_duga, dauwhe, madi, tzviya, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, azaroth, mgylling, fjh, karenm, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see SuzanneT, Sharad, JeanKaplanksky, brady_duga, dauwhe, madi, tzviya, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, azaroth, mgylling, fjh, karenm, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro

15:06:29 <fjh> zakim, who is here?

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is here?

15:06:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see walkley, azaroth, Ivan, tzviya, +44.797.077.aadd, dauwhe, fjh, JeanKaplanksky, duga, mgylling, SuzanneT, Sharad, +33.1.43.92.aajj

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see walkley, azaroth, Ivan, tzviya, +44.797.077.aadd, dauwhe, fjh, JeanKaplanksky, duga, mgylling, SuzanneT, Sharad, +33.1.43.92.aajj

15:06:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see SuzanneT, Sharad, JeanKaplanksky, brady_duga, dauwhe, madi, tzviya, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, azaroth, mgylling, fjh, karenm, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see SuzanneT, Sharad, JeanKaplanksky, brady_duga, dauwhe, madi, tzviya, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, azaroth, mgylling, fjh, karenm, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro

15:06:37 <Zakim> +Liam

Zakim IRC Bot: +Liam

15:06:42 <ivan> zakim, aadd is madi

Ivan Herman: zakim, aadd is madi

15:06:42 <Zakim> +madi; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +madi; got it

15:07:25 <Zakim> +??P36

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P36

15:08:06 <azaroth> zakim, scribe is azaroth

Robert Sanderson: zakim, scribe is azaroth

15:08:07 <Zakim> sorry, azaroth, I do not recognize a party named 'scribe'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, azaroth, I do not recognize a party named 'scribe'

15:08:49 <walkley> zakim, aajj is Pdanet

George Walkley: zakim, aajj is Pdanet

15:08:49 <Zakim> +Pdanet; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Pdanet; got it

15:08:55 <azaroth> scribe is azaroth

Robert Sanderson: scribe is azaroth

15:09:20 <fjh> ScribeNick: azaroth

(Scribe set to Robert Sanderson)

15:09:23 <azaroth> Madi: Minutes of last week. Any questions from last week?

Madi Solomon: Minutes of last week. Any questions from last week?

15:09:40 <azaroth> ... Please register for TPAC meeting.

... Please register for TPAC meeting.

15:10:04 <azaroth> Ivan: Even sooner than as possible. Hotels are filling up and getting to China takes a long time to organize.

Ivan Herman: Even sooner than as possible. Hotels are filling up and getting to China takes a long time to organize.

15:10:34 <azaroth> mgylling: My invitation was rejected by the embassy. Missing a physical street address and they haven't gotten back to me yet.

Markus Gylling: My invitation was rejected by the embassy. Missing a physical street address and they haven't gotten back to me yet.

15:11:10 <azaroth> ... last week we asked plinss to confirm if we can have a slot with CSS, but he isn't here this week. Need to confirm or not still.

... last week we asked plinss to confirm if we can have a slot with CSS, but he isn't here this week. Need to confirm or not still.

15:11:21 <liam> [ CSS meets on Wednesdays ]

Liam Quin: [ CSS meets on Wednesdays ]

15:11:32 <azaroth> Madi: Shall we move on to new members.

Madi Solomon: Shall we move on to new members.

15:11:34 <Zakim> +??P37

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P37

15:11:48 <azaroth> ... ??? is a new member.

... ??? is a new member.

15:12:10 <azaroth> SuzanneT: Primarily involved in accessibility.

Suzanne Taylor: Primarily involved in accessibility.

15:12:46 <madi> Jan McSorely

Madi Solomon: Jan McSorely

15:13:07 <azaroth> Jan McSorely:  Also from Pearson, asked to join

Jan McSorely: Also from Pearson, asked to join

15:13:14 <ivan> Guest: Jan McSorely, Pearson
15:13:41 <azaroth> madi: Three new use cases on accessibility and personalization

Madi Solomon: Three new use cases on accessibility and personalization

15:13:52 <madi> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/ReadingDisorder_UC#Accessibility

Madi Solomon: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/ReadingDisorder_UC#Accessibility

15:14:11 <azaroth> ... would like to walk through them. Pretty simple ones so far, just the tip of the iceberg

... would like to walk through them. Pretty simple ones so far, just the tip of the iceberg

15:14:33 <azaroth> Jan: Suzanne has other use cases too. Would love guidance on how to make these ones better

Jan McSorely: Suzanne has other use cases too. Would love guidance on how to make these ones better

15:14:58 <azaroth> ... My role in pearson - just hired in june as accessibility specialist. More of assistive tech specialist.

... My role in pearson - just hired in june as accessibility specialist. More of assistive tech specialist.

15:15:20 <azaroth> ... Use cases are about students with disabilities. written for computer based assessment.

... Use cases are about students with disabilities. written for computer based assessment.

15:15:38 <azaroth> madi : Accessibility in education is critical

madi : Accessibility in education is critical

15:15:45 <azaroth> ... Need to make it a priority

... Need to make it a priority

15:16:25 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:16:46 <azaroth> Jan: Student with learning disability for reading. Does better with graphic support. Text highlighting etc improve comprehension

Jan McSorely: Student with learning disability for reading. Does better with graphic support. Text highlighting etc improve comprehension

15:17:25 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:17:25 <azaroth> ... Also likely to have difficulty with memory and learning new material. School would like text that student can hear and see at the same time

... Also likely to have difficulty with memory and learning new material. School would like text that student can hear and see at the same time

15:17:34 <tzviya> q+

Tzviya Siegman: q+

15:17:49 <azaroth> ... Specific use cases to distinguish different features

... Specific use cases to distinguish different features

15:18:49 <azaroth> ... Hard to get access for free for kids to electronic texts.  Bookshare and learning ally two services that are federally funded. Provide access to digitized text.

... Hard to get access for free for kids to electronic texts. Bookshare and learning ally two services that are federally funded. Provide access to digitized text.

15:19:02 <azaroth> ... One records audio and working on sync with highlight in text.

... One records audio and working on sync with highlight in text.

15:19:26 <azaroth> ... Can read in logical order, rather than top/bottom left/right

... Can read in logical order, rather than top/bottom left/right

15:19:44 <azaroth> ... In schools, educator needs to know copyright restrictions

... In schools, educator needs to know copyright restrictions

15:19:57 <azaroth> ... accessible everything is the ideal solution

... accessible everything is the ideal solution

15:20:26 <azaroth> ... Have to jump through hoops at the moment.

... Have to jump through hoops at the moment.

15:20:45 <azaroth> madi : Would student end up getting access?

SuzanneT : Would student end up getting access?

15:21:14 <azaroth> Jan: Majority of the time they don't.  Good IT team can help. Library of Congress has strict interpretation of who can get access.

Jan McSorely: Majority of the time they don't. Good IT team can help. Library of Congress has strict interpretation of who can get access.

15:21:33 <azaroth> ... Medical doctor has to say physical issue causing a learning disability

... Medical doctor has to say physical issue causing a learning disability

15:21:52 <ivan> s/madi/SuzanneT/
15:22:47 <ivan> q-

Ivan Herman: q-

15:22:52 <azaroth> madi : Do we want to capture these use cases, or too complex?

madi : Do we want to capture these use cases, or too complex?

15:23:09 <azaroth> mgylling: Very big field, with lots of new things coming up. eg APIP

Markus Gylling: Very big field, with lots of new things coming up. eg APIP

15:23:10 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers

Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen_Myers

15:23:21 <azaroth> ... What we're doing in this group is to focus on w3c technologies

... What we're doing in this group is to focus on w3c technologies

15:23:33 <ivan> Guest: Karen (karenm) Myers, W3C
15:23:39 <azaroth> ... metadata important, accessibility as well.  Need coordination moving forwards.

... metadata important, accessibility as well. Need coordination moving forwards.

15:23:43 <alex> I am new to the group. Alexander Garcia, from the American Psychological Association

Alexander Garcia: I am new to the group. Alexander Garcia, from the American Psychological Association

15:23:55 <azaroth> ... APIP and PNP are good, attempting to address parts of the problem.

... APIP and PNP are good, attempting to address parts of the problem.

15:24:25 <azaroth> madi: Relations and dependencies

Madi Solomon: Relations and dependencies

15:24:28 <azaroth> ... ?

... ?

15:24:38 <azaroth> mgylling: We want another field to point outside the w3c

Markus Gylling: We want another field to point outside the w3c

15:25:17 <azaroth> mgylling: External relevant groups/specifications.  Template for use case in the side bar, where the fields are defined. Should clarify

Markus Gylling: External relevant groups/specifications. Template for use case in the side bar, where the fields are defined. Should clarify

15:25:23 <ivan> q?

Ivan Herman: q?

15:25:40 <alex> which is the url for the template?

Alexander Garcia: which is the url for the template?

15:25:57 <ivan> ack tzviya

Ivan Herman: ack tzviya

15:25:58 <azaroth> ???: This brings to mind other orgs, such as Benentech

Tzviya Siegman: This brings to mind other orgs, such as Benentech

15:26:14 <ivan> s/???/tzviya/
15:26:28 <azaroth> ... seems like there's more than one use case here. read aloud is one issue, direction is another, time is maybe not addressed in a spec

... seems like there's more than one use case here. read aloud is one issue, direction is another, time is maybe not addressed in a spec

15:27:26 <azaroth> ???: Third party to adjust the time on testing for education

Suzanne Taylor: Third party to adjust the time on testing for education

15:27:29 <Zakim> -duga

Zakim IRC Bot: -duga

15:27:46 <azaroth> tzviya: Like the category education professional.

Tzviya Siegman: Like the category education professional.

15:27:50 <azaroth> mgylling: Categories still open

Markus Gylling: Categories still open

15:28:04 <SuzanneT> s/???/SuzanneT
15:28:16 <Pdanet> It's Benetech : http://benetech.org/

Pierre Danet: It's Benetech : http://benetech.org/

15:28:24 <Zakim> +duga

Zakim IRC Bot: +duga

15:28:29 <azaroth> ivan: We have to work on these use cases to separate issues on w3c and not.

Ivan Herman: We have to work on these use cases to separate issues on w3c and not.

15:28:49 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller]

15:29:03 <azaroth> ... Have a guest from benetech in the group, so may participate.  More general question, already began to set up task forces into areas.

... Have a guest from benetech in the group, so may participate. More general question, already began to set up task forces into areas.

15:29:20 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:29:21 <azaroth> ... wonder if accessibility in general should be a task force?

... wonder if accessibility in general should be a task force?

15:29:41 <azaroth> ... Lots of things that are inter-related in use cases.

... Lots of things that are inter-related in use cases.

15:30:00 <azaroth> mgylling: Agree. What we've been missing so far is enough people to start thinking about it.

Markus Gylling: Agree. What we've been missing so far is enough people to start thinking about it.

15:30:30 <azaroth> ... know that Rich Sw??? with IBM, prominent figure in WAI, is hopefully going to join soon.

... know that Rich Schwerdtfeger with IBM, prominent figure in WAI, is hopefully going to join soon.

15:30:52 <azaroth> ... To accelerate the creation of group we can announce and start marketing it to people interested

... To accelerate the creation of group we can announce and start marketing it to people interested

15:31:11 <tzviya> q+

Tzviya Siegman: q+

15:31:21 <azaroth> Ivan: If Benetech joins IG, they will be interested in area as well. So will have enough muscle

Ivan Herman: If Benetech joins IG, they will be interested in area as well. So will have enough muscle

15:31:24 <mgylling> s/Rich Sw???/Rich Schwerdtfeger
15:31:44 <ivan> ack aagg

Ivan Herman: ack aagg

15:31:53 <mgylling> q+

Markus Gylling: q+

15:32:01 <ivan> ack tzviya

Ivan Herman: ack tzviya

15:32:25 <azaroth> tzviya: Worked with accessbility orgs over the summer, will be follow up. happy to reach out to groups, several would be interested in joining

Tzviya Siegman: Worked with accessbility orgs over the summer, will be follow up. happy to reach out to groups, several would be interested in joining

15:32:30 <azaroth> +1

+1

15:32:45 <ivan> ack mgylling

Ivan Herman: ack mgylling

15:33:14 <azaroth> mgylling: First use case, how does it relate to PnP?

Markus Gylling: First use case, how does it relate to PnP?

15:33:51 <azaroth> jan: Specific information about the user needs. Lots of theoretical stuff in the IMS standard 1.0, so accommodations to say that students can have access according to their needs

Jan McSorely: Specific information about the user needs. Lots of theoretical stuff in the IMS standard 1.0, so accommodations to say that students can have access according to their needs

15:34:16 <azaroth> ... so some students allowed to have passages read aloud in a test, for example. Which can be controversial.

... so some students allowed to have passages read aloud in a test, for example. Which can be controversial.

15:34:55 <azaroth> ... Other issues about braille that don't have a good handle on. Would be beneficial for w3c folk to be involved so can bring issues to the table

... Other issues about braille that don't have a good handle on. Would be beneficial for w3c folk to be involved so can bring issues to the table

15:35:13 <azaroth> ... eg difference between right by law and technically possible

... eg difference between right by law and technically possible

15:35:31 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:35:33 <azaroth> mgylling: Want listing of relevant specs.  Turn acronyms into links to specs.

Markus Gylling: Want listing of relevant specs. Turn acronyms into links to specs.

15:35:57 <azaroth> Jan: Put schema into a word doc to work through. Can post that.

Jan McSorely: Put schema into a word doc to work through. Can post that.

15:36:08 <azaroth> ... Maybe better understanding of where they're going

... Maybe better understanding of where they're going

15:36:14 <azaroth> q+

q+

15:36:55 <azaroth> Ivan: Education group in W3C is clear. Accessbility metadata - what are you refering to there?

Ivan Herman: Education group in W3C is clear. Accessbility metadata - what are you refering to there?

15:37:08 <azaroth> ... Know there's one for schema.org. This one?

... Know there's one for schema.org. This one?

15:37:18 <mgylling> "Relevant W3C groups" should include IndieUI: http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/

Markus Gylling: "Relevant W3C groups" should include IndieUI: http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/

15:37:24 <azaroth> ???: Only reference that I had. so I added it.

Madi Solomon: Only reference that I had. so I added it.

15:37:30 <mgylling> … which has some overlap with PNP, possibly

Markus Gylling: … which has some overlap with PNP, possibly

15:37:42 <azaroth> Ivan: Work with the accessbility people to get the right specs, etc.

Ivan Herman: Work with the accessbility people to get the right specs, etc.

15:37:46 <ivan> s/???/Madi/
15:37:53 <azaroth> ... Fear is that there isn't such a group

... Fear is that there isn't such a group

15:38:08 <azaroth> ... No dedicated group for accessbility metadata directly

... No dedicated group for accessbility metadata directly

15:38:10 <Zakim> +??P10

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10

15:38:13 <tzviya> what about http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/?

Tzviya Siegman: what about http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/?

15:38:20 <azaroth> mgylling: Just posted one  (IndieUI)

Markus Gylling: Just posted one (IndieUI)

15:38:35 <tmichel> thierry rejoining ...

Thierry Michel: thierry rejoining ...

15:38:37 <azaroth> mgylling: Preferences if you will

Markus Gylling: Preferences if you will

15:38:40 <ivan> zakim, ??P10 is tmichel

Ivan Herman: zakim, ??P10 is tmichel

15:38:40 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it

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15:38:49 <ivan> q?

Ivan Herman: q?

15:38:53 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

15:39:03 <ivan> ack azaroth

Ivan Herman: ack azaroth

15:40:26 <ivan> q?

Ivan Herman: q?

15:40:31 <azaroth> azaroth: Could put EPUB back into this new field. So should go back to the previous "fixed" use cases

Robert Sanderson: Could put EPUB back into this new field. So should go back to the previous "fixed" use cases

15:40:39 <azaroth> madi: Moving on...

Madi Solomon: Moving on...

15:40:42 <madi> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dyslexia_UC#Accessibility

Madi Solomon: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dyslexia_UC#Accessibility

15:40:56 <azaroth> madi: Accessibility has lots of unique use cases

Madi Solomon: Accessibility has lots of unique use cases

15:41:12 <azaroth> SuzanneT: Dyslexia have different types of needs, several related to visual perception

Jan McSorely: Dyslexia have different types of needs, several related to visual perception

15:41:34 <ivan> s/SuzanneT/Jan/
15:41:34 <azaroth> ... Student uses assistive technology, can annotate, bookmark and navigate due to DAISY formatting

... Student uses assistive technology, can annotate, bookmark and navigate due to DAISY formatting

15:42:15 <azaroth> ... Some need fonts, some not. Some fonts are weighted, eg Open Dyslexia font with differences in ascenders/descenders

... Some need fonts, some not. Some fonts are weighted, eg Open Dyslexia font with differences in ascenders/descenders

15:42:26 <azaroth> ... Need control over this. Adjusting whitespace necessary too.

... Need control over this. Adjusting whitespace necessary too.

15:43:06 <azaroth> ... Colored overlay capabilities to change fore/background.

... Colored overlay capabilities to change fore/background.

15:43:13 <azaroth> ... Ability to bookmark, annotate.

... Ability to bookmark, annotate.

15:43:17 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:43:44 <azaroth> ... Text highlighting. Research shows that its beneficial for students to do this.

... Text highlighting. Research shows that its beneficial for students to do this.

15:43:45 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

15:43:45 <mgylling> q+

Markus Gylling: q+

15:44:03 <azaroth> Ivan: Typical case where we combine use cases. Lots of use cases already on annotation.

Ivan Herman: Typical case where we combine use cases. Lots of use cases already on annotation.

15:44:17 <azaroth> Ivan: This is what we want.

Ivan Herman: This is what we want.

15:44:33 <alex> sorry

Alexander Garcia: sorry

15:44:35 <azaroth> mgylling: Agree, relations and dependences field. See the web of things being linked together

Markus Gylling: Agree, relations and dependences field. See the web of things being linked together

15:44:38 <alex> but which is the url for the use cases?

Alexander Garcia: but which is the url for the use cases?

15:44:58 <azaroth> Jan: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Social_Reading_and_Annotations

Jan McSorely: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Social_Reading_and_Annotations

15:45:33 <azaroth> azaroth: Will link to accessbilities cases

Robert Sanderson: Will link to accessbilities cases

15:45:49 <azaroth> mgylling: We're collecting requirements on the open web platform for things it can't do for us yet

Markus Gylling: We're collecting requirements on the open web platform for things it can't do for us yet

15:45:50 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory directory of use cases

Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory directory of use cases

15:46:18 <azaroth> ... most of them are things that can't be done in OWP. Eg customizing fonts and colors hard to get to work satisfactorily

... most of them are things that can't be done in OWP. Eg customizing fonts and colors hard to get to work satisfactorily

15:46:23 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

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15:46:31 <azaroth> ... so all these bullets are great input for things we need to work on

... so all these bullets are great input for things we need to work on

15:46:35 <azaroth> ... don't understand the first one

... don't understand the first one

15:47:03 <azaroth> Jan: In terms of what they're using, have DAISY formatted books. Not familiar with EPUB3 capabilities.

Jan McSorely: In terms of what they're using, have DAISY formatted books. Not familiar with EPUB3 capabilities.

15:47:21 <azaroth> ... Not may be the right place for that bullet

... Not may be the right place for that bullet

15:47:30 <Zakim> -duga

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15:47:34 <azaroth> mgylling: Requirements should be like the rest. Imperative functionality. Features.

Markus Gylling: Requirements should be like the rest. Imperative functionality. Features.

15:47:50 <azaroth> Jan: Will take that out and talk about features.  Navigation capabilities by chapter, page etc.

Jan McSorely: Will take that out and talk about features. Navigation capabilities by chapter, page etc.

15:48:17 <azaroth> Madi: Go further down, revise EPUB/DAISY from relevant groups

Madi Solomon: Go further down, revise EPUB/DAISY from relevant groups

15:48:34 <Zakim> +duga

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15:48:36 <Zakim> -duga

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15:48:50 <azaroth> madi: Third accessbility case

Madi Solomon: Third accessbility case

15:49:05 <madi> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/CerebralPalsy_UC#Accessibility

Madi Solomon: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/CerebralPalsy_UC#Accessibility

15:49:41 <azaroth> Jan: One thing important is that the students have access to different types of assistive technology.  Would be good for the content to be compatible with the technology, tech compatible with guidelines

Jan McSorely: One thing important is that the students have access to different types of assistive technology. Would be good for the content to be compatible with the technology, tech compatible with guidelines

15:50:02 <azaroth> ... Student has poor fine motor skills and speech. Switch interface for wheel chair and computer. Word prediction software.

... Student has poor fine motor skills and speech. Switch interface for wheel chair and computer. Word prediction software.

15:50:19 <azaroth> ... Can't use voice recognition software. Need to navigate easily.

... Can't use voice recognition software. Need to navigate easily.

15:50:29 <azaroth> ... Full keyboard navigation, nothing mouse dependent

... Full keyboard navigation, nothing mouse dependent

15:51:04 <azaroth> ... Word prediction software needs contextual algorithm. very different from phone.

... Word prediction software needs contextual algorithm. very different from phone.

15:51:17 <azaroth> ... based on word we're trying to type on the phone, not the sentence.

... based on word we're trying to type on the phone, not the sentence.

15:51:46 <azaroth> ... Customized to student's vocab and context.  In testing situation has to be turned off

... Customized to student's vocab and context. In testing situation has to be turned off

15:52:08 <azaroth> ... Not sure that it has relevance in DPUB?

... Not sure that it has relevance in DPUB?

15:52:31 <azaroth> Ivan: Not something I can attach to anything in W3C.

Ivan Herman: Not something I can attach to anything in W3C.

15:52:50 <azaroth> Jan: How would you document it? Important to know what assistive technology they might use?

Jan McSorely: How would you document it? Important to know what assistive technology they might use?

15:53:21 <azaroth> Ivan: Important because outsiders need to know requirements. Whether realization hits some big problem when relying on W3C technology?

Ivan Herman: Important because outsiders need to know requirements. Whether realization hits some big problem when relying on W3C technology?

15:53:44 <azaroth> ... Some sort of thought experiment about how they should be implemented, building blocks that must be around, in order to do that

... Some sort of thought experiment about how they should be implemented, building blocks that must be around, in order to do that

15:53:50 <azaroth> ... Should be able to answer eventually

... Should be able to answer eventually

15:54:02 <azaroth> ... Features that we have to take care of.

... Features that we have to take care of.

15:54:13 <azaroth> Jan: How to document them in the use case? Part of Narrative?

Jan McSorely: How to document them in the use case? Part of Narrative?

15:54:38 <azaroth> Ivan: Narrative is fine with me. Kind of work task force will have to do is the thought experiment. What does implementation require

Ivan Herman: Narrative is fine with me. Kind of work task force will have to do is the thought experiment. What does implementation require

15:55:14 <azaroth> ???: These use cases help us think of the problems, can be parents of more specific ones

Suzanne Taylor: These use cases help us think of the problems, can be parents of more specific ones

15:55:29 <SuzanneT> s/???/SuzanneT
15:56:08 <azaroth> madi: Anyone want to add to this?  (...) Okay. Thanks to new people.

Madi Solomon: Anyone want to add to this? (...) Okay. Thanks to new people.

15:56:38 <Zakim> -madi

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15:56:42 <azaroth> ... Eager to work on this sort of thing, so thanks for your work Jan. Thanks to Rob for scribing.

... Eager to work on this sort of thing, so thanks for your work Jan. Thanks to Rob for scribing.

15:56:53 <madi> oops, I just left.  Thanks everyone!

Madi Solomon: oops, I just left. Thanks everyone!

15:57:05 <azaroth> mgylling: Started pagination task force last week. Want to make sure there's a time line. Dave anything to say?

Markus Gylling: Started pagination task force last week. Want to make sure there's a time line. Dave anything to say?

15:57:21 <azaroth> Dave Cramer:  Started early work to describe pagination. Something concrete to respond to.

Dave Cramer: Started early work to describe pagination. Something concrete to respond to.

15:57:29 <azaroth> ... Plan is to share before next week's call.

... Plan is to share before next week's call.

15:57:57 <azaroth> mgylling: Will reserve time next week for pagination. Many people travelling next week to Frankfurt

Markus Gylling: Will reserve time next week for pagination. Many people travelling next week to Frankfurt

15:58:04 <Pdanet> Absolutely ! on the way to FRKFRT

Pierre Danet: Absolutely ! on the way to FRKFRT

15:58:31 <azaroth> ... accessibility task force - do we have a volunteer lead from Pearson?

... accessibility task force - do we have a volunteer lead from Pearson?

15:58:40 <azaroth> SuzanneT: Happy to lead that task force

Suzanne Taylor: Happy to lead that task force

15:58:49 <madi> Thank you Suzanne!

Madi Solomon: Thank you Suzanne!

15:58:57 <azaroth> mgylling: Suggest devote time next week to how to build the group and structure the work

Markus Gylling: Suggest devote time next week to how to build the group and structure the work

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15:59:59 <tmichel> zakim, who is here?

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15:59:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see dauwhe, mgylling, SuzanneT, ??P36, Karen_Myers, tmichel

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16:00:00 <madi> Markus: call me at (44) 2-7 010 2335?

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16:00:29 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes

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