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<trackbot> Date: 12 December 2013
<bhyland> dialing
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> I'm trying to join, but sip:zakim@voip.w3.org does not answer...
<olyerickson> zakim I am [ipcaller.aa]
<olyerickson> zakim [ipcaller.aa] is me.
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> now I managed to get ni
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> hello
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> is anyone speaking?
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> I don't hear
<bhyland> yes
<olyerickson> yes
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> now I can hear
<scribe> scribe: PhilA
<scribe> scribeNick:ph
<PhilA> scribeNick: PhilA
<bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-12-05
<bhyland> +1
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1
<gatemezi> +1
<HadleyBeeman> +1
<DaveReynolds1> +1
HadleyBeeman: Propose to accept
<fadmaa> +1
HadleyBeeman: So accepted
<gatemezi> s/calll/call
bhyland: I'm working through
comments. Prefer to go at end of the agenda as I need to fix an
error. I;ve been making micro changes this morning
... Takes 5 minutes to fix whatever is broken
... Maybe we should close some actions?
... The status is - lots of editors and Phil have been touching
the doc
... lots of feedback and trying to get that all sorted
... trying to make it consistent throughout
... I'll go either way. I'd like to finish my edits, but I'd
like to add more of the feedback which is mostly references,
not substantive
... I do aim to finish it today
... I think I'm the last one to touch it
HadleyBeeman: We do have everyone
together and this is the last time so we need to make our
decisions today
... Those who have contributed comments...
... Are you happy to push this through as it is or do you have
additional concerns
bhyland: I do want to get it done today
<gatemezi> I don't see why we can not finish the doc today
<bhyland> +1 Ghislain
sandro: Is there a reason why we can't have 1 more meeting this time next week?
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> it would be best
HadleyBeeman: Not procedurally - we told everyone we wouldn't, that's all
sandro: Normally one week's notice is OK
<olyerickson> I'm amenable to a call next week
sandro: we wouldn't get the
publication done by the end of the year but we could have a
call
... The reason for pushing this is that it's clear that the doc
is still in flux
<bhyland> Propose: BP editors complete & notify the WG to review. Have the group review & meet one more time 12/19.
sandro: There are lots of little things. If the pace keeps up, then we're good to go for next week
bhyland: People seem to agree that it's important and needs doing
<olyerickson> I agree with bhyland's point to leverage current leverage of attention
<DaveReynolds1> FWIW I would probably not make next Thursday, competing meeting
HadleyBeeman: In my mind it
depends on whether we need a discussion.
... Happy to call for vote by e-mail
... we tend to get most out of our meetings when the editors
have specific things that need asking
<gatemezi> +1 to HadleyBeeman suggestion
HadleyBeeman: If it's just incorporating comments and then a once over then a discussion may not be needed
<olyerickson> However, I support the editors' decisions and I doubt we actually require a voice discussion
bhyland: I have no problem with a
decision by e-mail
... And there hasn't been a lot of discussion on the calls
HadleyBeeman: Can I ask the people who have commented how they feel? Do you want more discussion?
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> I would be OK with an e-mail discussion
HadleyBeeman: I understand what
you need as an editor
... but what do the commenters feel?
sandro: I feel like a telecon is important. A call is better for saying "we're done"
<olyerickson> note: I also sent in feedback 1-2 weeks ago (wrt RPI's revised/updated URI design principles), I haven't seen them but have assumed they are on the editors' "list"
<fadmaa> PhilA: another round of discussion in a telco next week seems better to me
<olyerickson> Did PhilA say "locked this time TOMORROW?"
<HadleyBeeman> yes
<olyerickson> (please confirm)
<olyerickson> (thanks)
<bhyland> I can say from the editors perspective, we *must* complete within this 24 hours
olyerickson: I suggested we might lock it tomorrow
<bhyland> Sandro: Remember we still have the pubrules processing that has to happen
olyerickson: I sent in a note about RPI's refined URI design principles
<bhyland> @olyerickson -On my list to add now because they were taken out by another editor ...
olyerickson: that we've been
working on with the Canadian gov on that. An older version of
the doc referred to that but I see that's gone
... I think that work would be worth referring to alongside
Phil's (Actually the EC's) and the Ducth one
HadleyBeeman: Thanks John
<sandro> btw here'
<sandro> btw here's a link to the unbroken document of an hour ago: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/cb6dde2928e7/bp/index.html
DaveReynolds1: from the POV - if
the doc is roughly the right shape and it's just pub rules. it
seems reasonable to continue this round and do a vote by e-mail
next week
... My concern is that there might be a new section etc. that
bhyland mentioned - that's more than editorial
<gatemezi> @olyerickson: you mean this link "URI Design Principles: Creating Persistent URIs for Government Linked Data" <http://logd.tw.rpi.edu/instance-hub-uri-design> ?
PhilA: +1 to DaveReynolds1
bhyland: I haven't lost your
e-mail. There was a substantial rework of the references and
the way it was done
... I think it was inadvertent that it was dropped
<olyerickson> bhyland: Thanks! ;)
bhyland: I haven't reviewed the URI design section since it was written a while ago
<olyerickson> gatemezi: Yes, those...
bhyland: The 'whole new section'
isn't as big as it sounds. It's just a little section that was
there and needs to be put back. There's nothing huge... but we
are doing more than pubrules
... But it doesn't quite hang together correctly and I'd like
to get it right
... Any changes that people have sent, I'm working through them
today.
<olyerickson> bhyland: We all understand!
sandro: I was wondering what is the state of the PII best practice?
bhyland: I'm not planning to add any more to it...
sandro: I'm trying to understand why it's in the summary and not the main doc
bhyland: I think it should be a best practice but we shouldn't expand on it. I don't want to add a new section as DaveReynolds1 says but I do think it should be in the doc
<HadleyBeeman> Hadleybeeman: quick reminder that Perosnal Indentifiable Information (PII) has different meanings and legal restrictions in different countries.
bhyland: If people don't want it as a BP then OK
sandro: But there are times when you do want to publish PII (like public officials where it's a matter of public record
<sandro> sandro: it's more like "don't ACCIDENTALLY publish PII"
sandro: It's more like don't accidentally publish PII
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> In Brazil, salaries are published with a full name
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> my salary by the way
bhyland: Makes some suggestions...
sandro: There are lots of cases where salaries have to be published (although not necessary as LD)
<MakxDekkers> sorry for not being on the call -- still in another.
HadleyBeeman: makes point about PII having different meanings in different countries
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> that's also in my e-mail about normativity
<HadleyBeeman> PhilA: this is a note; nothing needs to be normative.
<HadleyBeeman> … It's nothing but informative.
sandro: There was a note about
splitting up URI best practices into publisher and
consumer...
... ... looks
... It was from JoaoPauloAlmeida..
JoaoPauloAlmeida: It wasn't about URIs but vocabularies, yes
bhyland: It's on my screen
here
... I have yet to digest it
... but I will
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> I can't hear properly
HadleyBeeman: Invites JoaoPauloAlmeida to say more
<bhyland> Note, Joao's email came in < 2 hrs ago...
JoaoPauloAlmeida: It was about the criteria for the vocabs. I thought it was confusing that some criteria were repeated in two sections. I think it could be simplified to make the role of the criteria a little clearer
<bhyland> @Joao this are the types of clean up & consistency checks that are underway today
bhyland: Yes, thanks. This is where the doc was touched at diff times by diff people. I'll look at that
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> thanks
HadleyBeeman: Anything else on
content?
... It sounds as if the editors want another 24 hours to work
through the comments.
... That suggests a new draft being sent round by this time
tomorrow
... I suggest that we review it over the W/E and that we have a
call on Mon or Tues that should clarify what has been
done.
... we can schedule a call for Thursday as well
... by then the pub rules should have been dealt with.
... if everything goes perfectly, then we can get to our call
on Mon/Tue and skips the Thursday
<bhyland> @sandro, are you able to help me with PubRules processing?
<DaveReynolds1> don't we need a week's notice for call?
bhyland: Can you help me with pubrules, sandro?
sandro: Yes
<DaveReynolds1> I heard HadleyBeeman propose an out of cycle call on Mon Tue, was I wrong?
sandro: Dave is right that we shouldn't have a telecon without a week's notice.
HadleyBeeman: Can we satisfy that by having an informal call and deciding if we're going to do an e-mail vote and then go to a call on Thursday if we need it
<DaveReynolds1> what about changes to the new content the editors are adding?
Further discussion ensues...
sandro: We need to converge
... We can have an informal discussion on Mon or Tues but ti
can't make decisions. They have to be made on Thursday
HadleyBeeman: That's what I had in mind
bhyland: Who is the informal call with?
sandro: Anyone who wants to attend
HadleyBeeman: +1
bhyland: That would be Tuesday 17th
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1
sandro: How about this time Tuesday?
<gatemezi> +1
<sandro> +1
<DaveReynolds1> +0
<HadleyBeeman> +1
PhilA: Can make 15:00 GMT Tuesday
<bhyland> Propose: 1) Schedule telecon for final vote on BP doc only 12/12; 2) Schedule informal telecon w/ GLD WG for Tuesday 12/9) 10.00 US ET to make sure path is clear for final vote
<bhyland> +1
<MakxDekkers> -1
HadleyBeeman: If you have a chance to have a look at the doc by Tuesday, MakxDekkers, that would be useful
MakxDekkers: I'll try
HadleyBeeman: Anything else you need Bernadette?
bhyland: If anyone has anything else to raise by e-mail, please do so. I'll respond in kind
HadleyBeeman: I think that winds up BP
bhyland: I'm sorry that we got to this stage before there was this much work on it. It's been adrift for best part of a year
HadleyBeeman: The past is the past. Important thing is what we can do in the next week
HadleyBeeman: How are you on ...,(Hadley starts talking through her onesie)
DaveReynolds1: There was one more
implementation report from Sraven which was helpful but didn't
affect status
... There was some feedback from Dom on lack of clarity on a
term. Editorial only, I made the change on Friday and
documented it in the PR section
<HadleyBeeman> s/sraven/csarven
HadleyBeeman: Sounds good
... and ORG?
DaveReynolds1: That was ORG. For QB, one implementation report, ORG, one little ed change, responded and done
HadleyBeeman: Sitting in a
corridor ...
... Anything on DCAT?
<HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/open
fadmaa: Nope. All well and no change
action-34?
<trackbot> action-34 -- Bernadette Hyland to Convene a meeting on armchair usability for community directory -- due 2013-02-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/34
HadleyBeeman: bhyland?
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> I hear a lot of noise
action-34 close
close action-34
<trackbot> Closed action-34.
action-35?
<trackbot> action-35 -- Bart van Leeuwen to Leeuwen to investigate how Good Relations etc could assist with automatically filling up the directory -- due 2012-02-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/35
HadleyBeeman: Did what you just said apply to the directory as well on this bhyland?
<DaveReynolds1> Suggest it is obsolete
bhyland: This was something Bart
raised a year ago
... It's no longer in scope
Action-35 has been overtaken by events
close action-34
<trackbot> Closed action-34.
close action-35
<trackbot> Closed action-35.
action-67?
<trackbot> action-67 -- Bernadette Hyland to Send presentation -- due 2012-04-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/67
bhyland: I have no idea what they was about - overtaken by events...
close action-67
<trackbot> Closed action-67.
<olyerickson> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/74
close action-45
<trackbot> Closed action-45.
action-75?
<trackbot> action-75 -- Bernadette Hyland to Get a Computer Science Intern to spend ca. 4 hours a week on gathering data for the directory -- due 2012-09-13 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/75
Overtaken by evetns - now in the CG
close action-75
<trackbot> Closed action-75.
<HadleyBeeman> action-77?
<trackbot> action-77 -- Fadi Maali to Include text in DCAT to point to the BP doc, with link to the issue in the interim -- due 2013-05-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/77
action-77?
<trackbot> action-77 -- Fadi Maali to Include text in DCAT to point to the BP doc, with link to the issue in the interim -- due 2013-05-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/77
fadmaa: I don't think is appropriate anymore
close action-77
<trackbot> Closed action-77.
close action-85
<trackbot> Closed action-85.
action-105?
<trackbot> action-105 -- Sandro Hawke to Determine who meets the current "active participants" bar, for including in publications -- due 2013-03-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/105
sandro: I will try to do that - we should leave it open
close action-113 - we did it
close action-113
<trackbot> Closed action-113.
close action-74
<trackbot> Closed action-74.
<HadleyBeeman> action-118?
<trackbot> action-118 -- Richard Cyganiak to Raise issue on adms:includedAssed vs adms:includedItem -- due 2013-04-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/118
close action-114
<trackbot> Closed action-114.
bhyland: Because the CG is done (i.e. open)
action 118 was resolved ages ago when ADMS was publsihed, no worries
<trackbot> Error finding '118'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/users>.
close action-118
<trackbot> Closed action-118.
<HadleyBeeman> action-119?
<trackbot> action-119 -- Richard Cyganiak to Write up justification for no-change approach to ISSUE-64 (Dataset vs dataset vs hasDataset) -- due 2013-04-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/119
<HadleyBeeman> cygri?
HadleyBeeman: Was that done cygri?
cygri: I can't remember what the story was. I don't recall doing it, neitehr do I remember what was involved
<cygri> +1
cygri: no longer something we need to do
close action-119
<trackbot> Closed action-119.
<HadleyBeeman> action-125?
<trackbot> action-125 -- Tope Omitola to PhilA update ADMS timetable -- due 2013-05-09 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/125
Did that ages ago. ADMS well out of the door
close action-125
<trackbot> Closed action-125.
<HadleyBeeman> action-126?
<trackbot> action-126 -- Tope Omitola to PhilA update RegORG timetable -- due 2013-05-09 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/126
Likewise
close action-126
<trackbot> Closed action-126.
<HadleyBeeman> action-128?
<trackbot> action-128 -- Bernadette Hyland to Coordinate with sandro on CommonScribe replacement process. -- due 2013-05-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/128
Overcome by events
close action-128
<trackbot> Closed action-128.
<HadleyBeeman> action-129?
<trackbot> action-129 -- Bernadette Hyland to Update GLD WG Scribe's End of Meeting Checklist -- due 2013-05-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/129
Overcome by events
close action-129
<trackbot> Closed action-129.
<HadleyBeeman> action-131?
<trackbot> action-131 -- Hadley Beeman to Communicate work with W3C staff contacts to progress to CR -- due 2013-05-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/131
That was done. Lots of CRs
close action-131
<trackbot> Closed action-131.
<HadleyBeeman> action-133?
<trackbot> action-133 -- Hadley Beeman to Going to request another week to review Marios' comments -- due 2013-05-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/133
<scribe> done a while back
close action-133
<trackbot> Closed action-133.
<HadleyBeeman> action-136
<trackbot> action-136 -- Marios Meimaris to Draft response to JSON-LD by early next week -- due 2013-05-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/136
Similar - all done
close action-136
<trackbot> Closed action-136.
<HadleyBeeman> action-141?
<trackbot> action-141 -- Bernadette Hyland to Bhyland to fix the meeting page -- due 2013-06-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/141
overcome by...
close action-141
<trackbot> Closed action-141.
<HadleyBeeman> action-148?
<trackbot> action-148 -- Bernadette Hyland to Fold in 10 steps to Linked Open Data from Denise W & Martin K, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jun/0016.html -- due 2013-08-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/148
bhyland: I did that, it's in the current draft
close action-148
<trackbot> Closed action-148.
<HadleyBeeman> action-149?
<trackbot> action-149 -- Phil Archer to Will communicate with schema.org facilitators & ask them to update terms from dcat & adms. -- due 2013-10-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/149
PhilA: I did that
<HadleyBeeman> action-156?
<trackbot> action-156 -- Bernadette Hyland to Indicate in the bp abstract that the document is unfinished and is subject to change -- due 2013-12-12 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/156
There's an e-mail about that in the archive
close action-149
<trackbot> Closed action-149.
bhyland: I did that
close action-156
<trackbot> Closed action-156.
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> sorry about that
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_code
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_code
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> now it's right
<HadleyBeeman> Pending review actions http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/pendingreview
<HadleyBeeman> action-19?
<trackbot> action-19 -- Biplav Srivastava to Agreed to document some use cases for "roadmap" scenarios for localities contemplating putting content on the LoD. -- due 2011-11-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/19
that was due in Nov 2011!
<csarven> Must run now :) Came to say: congrats to everyone for awesome work. Great output! Learned a lot. Thank you! :) [If I can make it next week, I'll repeat ;)]
close action-19
<trackbot> Closed action-19.
<HadleyBeeman> action-22?
<trackbot> action-22 -- Ronald Reck to Reck to make a contribution to section 2.5 on stability -- due 2011-11-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/22
close action-22
<trackbot> Closed action-22.
<HadleyBeeman> action-24?
<trackbot> action-24 -- Phil Archer to DCAT Community draft -- due 2011-12-05 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/24
close action-24
<trackbot> Closed action-24.
<HadleyBeeman> action-54?
<trackbot> action-54 -- Bernadette Hyland to Produce a Linked Data Glossary from existing content in wiki & books. -- due 2013-02-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/54
<scribe> Done
close action-54
<trackbot> Closed action-54.
<HadleyBeeman> action-96?
<trackbot> action-96 -- Richard Cyganiak to Ask Sandro how to proceed on getting an HTML representation for the namespace document (see ACTION-68) -- due 2013-02-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/96
<HadleyBeeman> cygri?
http://www.w3.org/2013/vocabspec/examples/dcat.html
cygri: I reminded sandroof this 2 weeks ago. Only 10 months late on the action
close action-96
<trackbot> Closed action-96.
HadleyBeeman: I'll hold the last
part of the agenda - the new groups - until next week.
... I'll send out a note about next week in due course
<bhyland> Yay, good looking list http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/
<MakxDekkers> bye
<bhyland> Thanks Hadley & all!
<bhyland> Thanks Phil for scribing
<bhyland> cheers
<HadleyBeeman> trackbot, end meeting
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