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HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

07 Nov 2013

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Attendees

Present
Chaals, David, Aardrian, Cynthia, Leonie
Regrets
Chair
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Scribe
chaals

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 07 November 2013

<scribe> scribe: chaals

Whoops no agenda

CN: SOrry, no access to mail so no agenda sent. May mean we don't get the people we wanted here...

canvas

CN: I'm fine with the CfC, nothing to really say...

CS: Think the Microsoft position is clear

DM: Think FocusRing stuff is good.

CN: Hope it makes the timing...

CS: May only be in 5.1 ...

CN: Let's wait for results of CfC.

<scribe> ACTION: chaals to talk to HTML chairs about canvas CfC. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/11/07-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-214 - Talk to html chairs about canvas cfc. [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2013-11-14].

longdesc review

CN: Matt argues that search engines don't need longdesc - don't know where he gets that idea, given that I work for one, and we would like it.

<MarkS> just sent an email to TF with link and instructions to canvas focusRing demos

<MarkS> do we need to address matts comments in this context? the CfC?

DM: Mat says "No implementor has added support for universal access to longdesc, and Firefox won't..."

… "Spec should be updated to reflect reality"

LW: Reality is that it works for poeple who need it.

AA: Don't understand qwhat he wants

CN: My proposed response is that a. He is incorrect, browsers and extensions and AT have implemented universal discuovery, and b. his request to "match reality" isn't actionable.

… (Since he fails to deomnstrate what "reality" is)

DM: Jan has some comments on editorial stuff.

… Matt says discoverability is solved by normal links. No use case has been provided requiring description to be different from a normal link.

CN: Proposed response is a. that doesn't work if the image is inside a link that isn't a description, b. use case has been presented (search).

DM: Also says spec should say when a longdesc should and shouldn't be used.

LW: There's a matter of programmatic association if you have a separate image, so cannot programmatically associate the two.

… cannot find a designer willing to stick every image into a link to a descritpion.

DW: And will confuse people who believe links from images are "normal" (e.g. navigation icon) and when it is a description.

CN: Agree, and that should be part of the response.

CS: We could provide more authoring guidance in WCAG.

AA: Said the spec needs to define the conditions. Authoring guidance is the only thing we need to address his concern.

CN: I think his concern is not valid. As David says, adding a link to every image that needs description, with no differentiation between "normal" and descrition links, is a terrible idea.

<LJWatson> +1

DM: Has anyone ever seen a *request* to have images linked to descripitions on their own?

LW: Have met it before, Not in a good way...

CN: When I get access to mail agin ( probably next week :( ) I'll write the proposed responses and set up a CfC.

… It would also be useful to get more people replying to the original, so we may re-open it.

<MarkS> +1 for reopening

Someone for HTML WG call today?

AA: Will anyone be available for HTML WG call today?

CN: Not me :(

DM: Could do it - just lookign for someone to listen?

CN: And report this meeting.

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: chaals to talk to HTML chairs about canvas CfC. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/11/07-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]
 
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