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<trackbot> Date: 28 October 2013
<clown> zakim GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
<richardschwerdtfeger> meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus
<richardschwerdtfeger> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2013Oct/0077.html
<MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
<janina> scribe: janina
clown: What do I need done if we're to pub on the 5th?
mc: All edits by Wednesday for PF resolution
rs: So, if not now, it's moved to 1.1?
clown: Yes
... I'm done, sor tof ...
<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
<clown> issue-616?
<trackbot> issue-616 -- ISSUE: Review potentially at-risk statement "When the user triggers an element with a defined activation behavior in a manner other than clicking it, such as by pressing Enter, simulate a click on the element." -- closed
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/616
<clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#keyboard-focus_tabindex
js: Cyns ws to have discussed this in email per UAIG minutes ...
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Oct/0007.html
rs: I'm OK to mark it at risk
clown: It gets tricky to turn
this into "should," which also doesn't help
... Only two bullets would be marked at risk
... JC wants them removed, raised to issue to set them at
risk
mc: At risk may spur IE to
implement
... It doesn't hurt us to remove it later
rs: I defer to Joseph, who chairs UAIG
<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
clown: Some have admin actions,
but most can be deferred, imo
... 486
... Change in text alt computation
... moved to note, but uaig computation differs from spec. How
could that happen?
... Cn UAIG text computation differ slightly from spec?
rs: Need to be the same if normative
mc: Think we can adjust spec
because not normative
... Believe this is a nonissue
... Agree it's a reasonable edit on the 1.0 spec
... UAIG has additional sentence or two, but difference is not
in normative language
... We can leave alone, or harmonize, both are possible
rs: 551 ...
mc: This is re director
questions, we have informal approval as we proposed. We cannot
get formal approval until CR exit
... Nothing we can do until CR on UAIG
clown: 582
<clown> issue-582?
<trackbot> issue-582 -- We don't have an explicit mapping, for each platform, for the focusable state in the UAIG -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/582
clown: Can we close?
mc: yes
rs: specific to api, either it has, or it doesn't
<clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#focus_state_event_table
rs: We can improve in 11, but
close
... Objections to closing?
<richardschwerdtfeger> RESOLUTION: Close Issue 582
rs: 583
<clown> issue-583?
<trackbot> issue-583 -- Elements that are descendants of an element having aria-activedescendant should not all be focusable -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/583
clown: Agreement that UAIG is sufficient
rs: And if it's a focusable html element?
clown: Has role, does it have ID
<clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#keyboard-focus_aria-activedescendant
rs: Guess we can close ...
<richardschwerdtfeger> Resolution: move Issue 583 to UAIG 1.1 as this will be a 1.1 issue having to deal with native host language semantics
rs: 584
<clown> issu3-584?
<clown> issue-584?
<trackbot> issue-584 -- Firefox has introduce a role mapping of grouping for rowgroup (should this be consistent across platforms) -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/584
clown: Need to update MSAA /
IA2
... Think it came from AT as a result of testing
rs: so what to do?
jg: Do we need do anything?
<clown> issue-585?
<trackbot> issue-585 -- What to do with role=rowgroup? -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/585
rs: put it in as role system-group, leave the rest alone as they're not mapped
clown: did i run at-spi test? can you tell?
rs: yes
RESOLUTION: Close 584
clown 585
<clown> issue-585?
<trackbot> issue-585 -- What to do with role=rowgroup? -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/585
clown: appears the same as 584 to me
rs: close
RESOLUTION: Close 585
rs: 598
clown: believe it's done
RESOLUTION: close 598
<richardschwerdtfeger> issue 598 was completed by action 1257
close by action 1257
<richardschwerdtfeger> Rich: issue 598 was completed by action 1257
rs: 600
<clown> issue-600?
<trackbot> issue-600 -- For IE Internet explorer exposes aria posinset in the ARIA Properties -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/600
mc: believe we can close
... would have to be msaa + uia
rs: aria properties attrib needs
to be mapped -- change table
... worked once, not any longer. so older ie it
worked
<clown> ACTION: Joseph to change the MSAA+UIA and UIA mappings of aria-posinset to (word smith): expose in AriaProperties. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/28-pf-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1286 - Change the msaa+uia and uia mappings of aria-posinset to (word smith): expose in ariaproperties. [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2013-11-04].
rs: aria-busy
clown multiline
<MichaelC> trackbot, associate action-1286 with issue-600
<trackbot> action-1286 (Change the msaa+uia and uia mappings of aria-posinset to (word smith): expose in ariaproperties.) associated with issue-600.
clown: 621
<clown> issue-621?
<trackbot> issue-621 -- Spec conflict: UAIG needs to not require UAs to fire selection change events unless aria-selected is changed -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/621
clown: made the change for jc, need confirmation
<clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_selection
clown: "in the single selection case ..."
RESOLUTION: Close 621
clown: 591
<clown> issue-591?
<trackbot> issue-591 -- mapping of article to document role seems wrong -- raised
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/591
clown: rs and sf discussing
rs: there's also aria xml role attrib that will say "article"
clown: table says exposed as
document frame
... and in msaa/ia2 it's role system document
rs: but also the xml role
clown: but not in the table
rs: fix the table?
clown OK
rs: can do a test case to check
Good!
rs: can tweak expected results
clown: and tweak uaig
rs: also test, but will
pass
... put it in
<clown> ACTION: Joseph to add to the role mapping of 'article' for MSAA+IA2 and ATK/AT-SPI that the 'article' is also exposed in object attributes xml-roles:article. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/28-pf-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1287 - Add to the role mapping of 'article' for msaa+ia2 and atk/at-spi that the 'article' is also exposed in object attributes xml-roles:article. [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2013-11-04].
<clown> trackbot, associate action-1287 with issue-591
<trackbot> action-1287 (Add to the role mapping of 'article' for msaa+ia2 and atk/at-spi that the 'article' is also exposed in object attributes xml-roles:article.) associated with issue-591.
rs: 600
<clown> ACTION: mark the UIA columns as "at risk". [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/28-pf-minutes.html#action03]
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js: we did it
rs: 608
<clown> issue-608?
<trackbot> issue-608 -- aria-checked is undefined (state) can be false or not mapped -- raised
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/608
jg: believe we agreed it's just how it's going to be
rs: so nothing to do
RESOLUTION: Close 608
<clown> action-1263?
<trackbot> action-1263 -- James Craig to AXARIABusy is probably going to change to something less ARIA-specific, like AXBusy or AXElementBusy -- due 2013-09-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1263
<clown> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121442
clown: marked fixed, so changed in webkit
rs: so we're ok
mc: should ask jc, but presume he
wants it reflect in uaig
... seems test not updated
rs: were they failing?
mc: test 76 jg passed it
... suggest it's aria-1.1 when we update
js: for today we're ok
<clown> action-1273?
<trackbot> action-1273 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Add rfc2119 should statements to uaig #mapping_events_selection regard event arrangement -- due 2013-10-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1273
<clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_selection
clown: ff thinks order shouldn't be specified
mc: believe we agreed this is a should
mc so no test
mc: think we can tweak tuesday, if need be
rs: agree to remove ordering
clown agree
<clown> action-1283?
<trackbot> action-1283 -- Michael Cooper to Add aria spec live region tests to the aria implementation guide tests, and run those test cases for mac -- due 2013-10-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1283
mc: will do
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testreport?testsuite_id=2
clown: tweaked the uaig, and the test is now obe
<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=2&testcase_id=31
<clown> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA-UAIG/1.0/tests/test-files/test31.html
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA-UAIG/1.0/tests/test-files/test40.html#
<MichaelC> meeting: ARIA
<MichaelC> chair: Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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