W3C

Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
28 Oct 2013

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Michael_Cooper, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Janina_Sajka, Jon_Gunderson
Regrets
Chair
Rich
Scribe
MichaelC, janina

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 28 October 2013

<clown> zakim GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer

<richardschwerdtfeger> meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus

<richardschwerdtfeger> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2013Oct/0077.html

<MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC

<janina> scribe: janina

UAIG Issues

clown: What do I need done if we're to pub on the 5th?

mc: All edits by Wednesday for PF resolution

rs: So, if not now, it's moved to 1.1?

clown: Yes
... I'm done, sor tof ...

<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10

<clown> issue-616?

<trackbot> issue-616 -- ISSUE: Review potentially at-risk statement "When the user triggers an element with a defined activation behavior in a manner other than clicking it, such as by pressing Enter, simulate a click on the element." -- closed

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/616

<clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#keyboard-focus_tabindex

js: Cyns ws to have discussed this in email per UAIG minutes ...

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Oct/0007.html

rs: I'm OK to mark it at risk

clown: It gets tricky to turn this into "should," which also doesn't help
... Only two bullets would be marked at risk
... JC wants them removed, raised to issue to set them at risk

mc: At risk may spur IE to implement
... It doesn't hurt us to remove it later

rs: I defer to Joseph, who chairs UAIG

<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10

clown: Some have admin actions, but most can be deferred, imo
... 486
... Change in text alt computation
... moved to note, but uaig computation differs from spec. How could that happen?
... Cn UAIG text computation differ slightly from spec?

rs: Need to be the same if normative

mc: Think we can adjust spec because not normative
... Believe this is a nonissue
... Agree it's a reasonable edit on the 1.0 spec
... UAIG has additional sentence or two, but difference is not in normative language
... We can leave alone, or harmonize, both are possible

rs: 551 ...

mc: This is re director questions, we have informal approval as we proposed. We cannot get formal approval until CR exit
... Nothing we can do until CR on UAIG

clown: 582

<clown> issue-582?

<trackbot> issue-582 -- We don't have an explicit mapping, for each platform, for the focusable state in the UAIG -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/582

clown: Can we close?

mc: yes

rs: specific to api, either it has, or it doesn't

<clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#focus_state_event_table

rs: We can improve in 11, but close
... Objections to closing?

<richardschwerdtfeger> RESOLUTION: Close Issue 582

rs: 583

<clown> issue-583?

<trackbot> issue-583 -- Elements that are descendants of an element having aria-activedescendant should not all be focusable -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/583

clown: Agreement that UAIG is sufficient

rs: And if it's a focusable html element?

clown: Has role, does it have ID

<clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#keyboard-focus_aria-activedescendant

rs: Guess we can close ...

<richardschwerdtfeger> Resolution: move Issue 583 to UAIG 1.1 as this will be a 1.1 issue having to deal with native host language semantics

rs: 584

<clown> issu3-584?

<clown> issue-584?

<trackbot> issue-584 -- Firefox has introduce a role mapping of grouping for rowgroup (should this be consistent across platforms) -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/584

clown: Need to update MSAA / IA2
... Think it came from AT as a result of testing

rs: so what to do?

jg: Do we need do anything?

<clown> issue-585?

<trackbot> issue-585 -- What to do with role=rowgroup? -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/585

rs: put it in as role system-group, leave the rest alone as they're not mapped

clown: did i run at-spi test? can you tell?

rs: yes

RESOLUTION: Close 584

clown 585

<clown> issue-585?

<trackbot> issue-585 -- What to do with role=rowgroup? -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/585

clown: appears the same as 584 to me

rs: close

RESOLUTION: Close 585

rs: 598

clown: believe it's done

RESOLUTION: close 598

<richardschwerdtfeger> issue 598 was completed by action 1257

close by action 1257

<richardschwerdtfeger> Rich: issue 598 was completed by action 1257

rs: 600

<clown> issue-600?

<trackbot> issue-600 -- For IE Internet explorer exposes aria posinset in the ARIA Properties -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/600

mc: believe we can close
... would have to be msaa + uia

rs: aria properties attrib needs to be mapped -- change table
... worked once, not any longer. so older ie it worked

<clown> ACTION: Joseph to change the MSAA+UIA and UIA mappings of aria-posinset to (word smith): expose in AriaProperties. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/28-pf-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1286 - Change the msaa+uia and uia mappings of aria-posinset to (word smith): expose in ariaproperties. [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2013-11-04].

rs: aria-busy

clown multiline

<MichaelC> trackbot, associate action-1286 with issue-600

<trackbot> action-1286 (Change the msaa+uia and uia mappings of aria-posinset to (word smith): expose in ariaproperties.) associated with issue-600.

clown: 621

<clown> issue-621?

<trackbot> issue-621 -- Spec conflict: UAIG needs to not require UAs to fire selection change events unless aria-selected is changed -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/621

clown: made the change for jc, need confirmation

<clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_selection

clown: "in the single selection case ..."

RESOLUTION: Close 621

clown: 591

<clown> issue-591?

<trackbot> issue-591 -- mapping of article to document role seems wrong -- raised

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/591

clown: rs and sf discussing

rs: there's also aria xml role attrib that will say "article"

clown: table says exposed as document frame
... and in msaa/ia2 it's role system document

rs: but also the xml role

clown: but not in the table

rs: fix the table?

clown OK

rs: can do a test case to check

Good!

rs: can tweak expected results

clown: and tweak uaig

rs: also test, but will pass
... put it in

<clown> ACTION: Joseph to add to the role mapping of 'article' for MSAA+IA2 and ATK/AT-SPI that the 'article' is also exposed in object attributes xml-roles:article. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/28-pf-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1287 - Add to the role mapping of 'article' for msaa+ia2 and atk/at-spi that the 'article' is also exposed in object attributes xml-roles:article. [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2013-11-04].

<clown> trackbot, associate action-1287 with issue-591

<trackbot> action-1287 (Add to the role mapping of 'article' for msaa+ia2 and atk/at-spi that the 'article' is also exposed in object attributes xml-roles:article.) associated with issue-591.

rs: 600

<clown> ACTION: mark the UIA columns as "at risk". [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/28-pf-minutes.html#action03]

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js: we did it

rs: 608

<clown> issue-608?

<trackbot> issue-608 -- aria-checked is undefined (state) can be false or not mapped -- raised

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/608

jg: believe we agreed it's just how it's going to be

rs: so nothing to do

RESOLUTION: Close 608

<clown> action-1263?

<trackbot> action-1263 -- James Craig to AXARIABusy is probably going to change to something less ARIA-specific, like AXBusy or AXElementBusy -- due 2013-09-23 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1263

<clown> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121442

clown: marked fixed, so changed in webkit

rs: so we're ok

mc: should ask jc, but presume he wants it reflect in uaig
... seems test not updated

rs: were they failing?

mc: test 76 jg passed it
... suggest it's aria-1.1 when we update

js: for today we're ok

<clown> action-1273?

<trackbot> action-1273 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Add rfc2119 should statements to uaig #mapping_events_selection regard event arrangement -- due 2013-10-21 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1273

<clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_selection

clown: ff thinks order shouldn't be specified

mc: believe we agreed this is a should

mc so no test

mc: think we can tweak tuesday, if need be

rs: agree to remove ordering

clown agree

<clown> action-1283?

<trackbot> action-1283 -- Michael Cooper to Add aria spec live region tests to the aria implementation guide tests, and run those test cases for mac -- due 2013-10-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1283

mc: will do

<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testreport?testsuite_id=2

clown: tweaked the uaig, and the test is now obe

<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=2&testcase_id=31

<clown> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA-UAIG/1.0/tests/test-files/test31.html

<richardschwerdtfeger> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA-UAIG/1.0/tests/test-files/test40.html#

<MichaelC> meeting: ARIA

<MichaelC> chair: Rich_Schwerdtfeger

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Joseph to add to the role mapping of 'article' for MSAA+IA2 and ATK/AT-SPI that the 'article' is also exposed in object attributes xml-roles:article. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/28-pf-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Joseph to change the MSAA+UIA and UIA mappings of aria-posinset to (word smith): expose in AriaProperties. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/28-pf-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: mark the UIA columns as "at risk". [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/28-pf-minutes.html#action03]
 
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