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<tobie> schedule: http://testthewebforward.org/events/2013/shenzhen.html#schedule
<scribe> scribe: MarkS
TL: This is just a one day event
(usually include evening before)
... includes introductory talks, how testing is done at
W3C.
... including what the particular focus of the event is. Specs
to reference, etc.
... attendees are split up into organic groups that will focus
on specific parts of specs. That is where lighting talks come
up, to gather attendees to hack with them. 3-5 focus groups
(usually).
... people work on writing tests for the rest of the day,
hopefully tests will be reviewed and accepted by the end of the
day.
... prizes for superlatives
... social event afterwards
... opportunities to network with other people in the testing
community
... would be great to talk to webdriver people so that we can
learn how to automate tests.
... to automate a browser to do what a user would do to
interact with a browser, for testing purposes.
... using selenium
... this is the best solution to automate tests that need
manual input.
<Zakim> AWK, you wanted to say that I was told that the lightning talk is our chance to recruit people to help with accessibility tests, and then we (the experts) will process approval of
TL: WebDriver folks would love to learn more about how they can improve their spec to support a11y testing
AWK: Adobe's chance to bring more
people to the table for testing at the W3C. Also interested in
improving WebDriver.
... if we had specific tests in mind, we could work with the
developers and those who approve the tests to improve quality
of tests in regards to a11y.
TL: the TTWF Site is hosted at github, in markdown, so you can update them an make a pull request and we can use github to discuss the proposed changes
JB: we would like to list some experts on that page, from our team. a couple of other places we would like to add a mention to a11y
<tobie> how to contribute to the testtwf.org website: https://github.com/w3c/testtwf-website/blob/gh-pages/CONTRIBUTING.md#event-page-format
MC: could do testing for
potential failure conditions, like when a particular state or
property should not be mapped. HTML A11y mapping.
... needs to be done. some places where aria and html
requirements intersect.
MS: thinks there is an opportunity to repurpose quality tests for a11y purposes
AWK: what could be effective to
pitch that idea (avoid frustration and extra work) is to find a
solution to avoid the typical two stage testing
... find a way to test the exposure of certain states and
properties
+1
JB: so these are topics for the lighting talk. to pitch the interests of accessibility testing upfront. then maybe a second talk to those that are interested.
<AWK> Confirmed that they told me "2-3 minutes" for lightning talk
<AWK> (179 seconds)
MS: good idea to say upfront that this will be more of a brainstorming session to solve complicated a11y requirements for testing, not the standard write as many tests as we possibly can in a day.
<wuwei> ok
TL: there may be a pretty significant language barrier at this specific event RE brainstorming session.
JB: hopefully our (new) Chinese staff can help with that.
JB: ideas for lightning talk: who
is available, why it would be useful to learn about a11y
... only 2-3 minutes
... need to give a very brief introduction of what web a11y is.
a very brief statement about what we want to test, and then how
to do the testing
KZ: maybe someone can give me some materials? reference?
JB: that is one of the things we
want to cover on this call
... additional suggestions for what Kenny should cover?
<Judy> Perhaps just this:
<Judy> - what is accessibility
<Judy> - why it matters
<Judy> - why it requires specific attention in testing
<Judy> - what tests are already available
<Judy> - who is available to help you
<Judy> Perhaps just this:
<Judy> - what is accessibility
<Judy> - why it matters
<Judy> - why it requires specific attention in testing
<Judy> - who is available to help you
<Judy> - please come join us
JB: I'm assuming everyone will be able to be there for the entire day, maybe not tobie, I have to leave midday.
MS: has no other plans...
JB: Michael, Mark, Andrew most
familiar with testing
... good situation for everyone to learn from each other.
... RE website list of experts, lets list at least 3 people
(see above) could make sense to list others as well.
AWK: should have chinese speaking a11y experts listed
+1
TL: sounds like a good documentation page, not something that needs to be in the event itself
JB: who wants to do that? should
be translated in Chinese as well.
... could be pointed to in lightning talk
<tobie> Contributing doc: https://github.com/w3c/testtwf-website/blob/gh-pages/CONTRIBUTING.md#documentation-format
<Judy> Experts to list: Andrew Kirkpatrick, Mary Jo Mueller, Mark Sadecki, Michael Cooper, Kenny Zhang, Wu Wei -- we would need to list people in this format
<Judy> http://testthewebforward.org/events/2013/shenzhen.html#experts
<wuwei> yes
<tobie> https://github.com/w3c/testtwf-website/blob/gh-pages/_config.yml#L163-L166
<AWK> For an image - they need a 100x100 image of the experts
<tobie> https://github.com/w3c/testtwf-website/blob/gh-pages/events/2013/shenzhen.html#L23-L27
<scribe> ACTION: MarkS to update the experts section on TTWF page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/24-cg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-118 - Update the experts section on ttwf page [on Mark Sadecki - due 2013-10-31].
JB: should add the info on a11y testing to the requirements section.
<Judy> testthewebforward.org/events/2013/shenzhen.html#experts
<Judy> post our background information on accessibility testing there, once we have it
<tobie> https://github.com/w3c/testtwf-website/blob/gh-pages/events/2013/shenzhen.html#L62-L72
<Judy> http://testthewebforward.org/events/2013/shenzhen.html#requirements
<Zakim> tobie, you wanted to comment on experts format and to comment on registering for the event
email your name, title/description and a link to an avatar anywhere on the web to mark@w3.org