<trackbot> Date: 22 October 2013

<clown> zakim GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer

<clown> davidb, I can hear you.

<scribe> scribe: janina

Issue-612

<clown> issue-612?

<trackbot> issue-612 -- Review ia2/atk rule in group position. should this really determine level based on aria-owns chain. see uaig: http://www.w3.org/wai/pf/aria-implementation/#mapping_additional_position and test case 69: https://www.w3.org/wai/pf/testharness/testresults?tes -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/612

<clown> "If aria-level is not provided or inherited for an element of role treeitem, user agents implementing IAccessible2 or ATK/AT-SPI MUST compute it by following the explicit or computed RELATION_NODE_CHILD_OF relations."

db: Suggests we remove, or remove the 'must'

<davidb> +1 to remove

clown: Any objections?
... to removal?

[crickets]

RESOLUTION: Remove this sentence beginning: "If ARIA-Level is not provided ..."

Issue-616

<clown> issue-616?

<trackbot> issue-616 -- ISSUE: Review potentially at-risk statement "When the user triggers an element with a defined activation behavior in a manner other than clicking it, such as by pressing Enter, simulate a click on the element." -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/616

clown: Monday ARIA discussion suggested removing this from UAIG

<clown> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/dom.html#interactive-content

clown: HTML 5 has the same requirement, except that H is specific to elements
... We tested an onclick on a div; this doesn't work but an anchor does

<clown> <div role="link" onclick="…">Hi there</div>

<davidb> i don't recall a 'click in progress' flag

[we're unclear how interoperable this is yet, though we agree we want it everywhere]

cyns: Leary of removing this because it seems we'd be losing ground on this discussion

mc: We already have it in tracker, and not having two implementations holds us back from finishing 1.0

cyns: Mark at risk?

mc: OK by me

cyns: I'd prefer

mc: Concerned not all of us are OK

db: Tend to agree with James to remove

<davidb> note what I care about is that we simple agree to implement what is needed - less concerned about what spec and version

js: Suggest week's discussion on list, pro and con keeping this, possibly as at risk

cyns: Will start that at your request

<scribe> ACTION: Cyns to start the conversation re keeping Issue-616 feature in the spec on list, realizing it may go LC at risk. We need to determine what to do by next Tuesday. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/22-aapi-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1284 - Start the conversation re keeping issue-616 feature in the spec on list, realizing it may go lc at risk. we need to determine what to do by next tuesday. [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2013-10-29].

topIssue-564

<clown> issue-564?

<trackbot> issue-564 -- ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT is not used role="heading" -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/564

clown: suggested removal

cyns: Doesn't ff have a bug on this?

db: yes
... Do believe we were going to remove, however

clown: Which would change expected result to "examine IA2 role"

db: Confirmed with several AT, but not all, that OK to remove
... Shouldn't break anything

[general agreement to remove]

test cases

clown: have to written, run, and any changes needed in uaig completed to keep LC on track

js: Else we slip a calendar quarter

<MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIA/Tests/Testable_Statements#include_elements

<clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#include_elements

mc: Bullet 2 seems covered
... ditto 3
... 4 has test cases already
... so now we have 3 to go, but only 2 in the spec ... !!

<clown> "Elements that have an ID which is referenced by another element via a WAI-ARIA relation"

<clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIA/Tests/Testable_Statements#include_elements

js: Pointing out this isn't holding up LC. We're confident this is OK

<clown> "Elements that have a global WAI-ARIA attribute but do not have aria-hidden="true".

db: Also a slam dunk

<MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIA/Tests/Testable_Statements#mapping_additional_position

[discussing tests 69 and 71, relevant?]

[discussion to remove owns]

<clown> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=499917

[agreement to remove]

[agreement to add Issue-612 to ARIA-1.1]

<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10

<clown> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17716

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