<trackbot> Date: 18 April 2013

<ivan> trackbot, start telcon

<trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference

<trackbot> Date: 18 April 2013

<pgroth> hi

<pgroth> ivan

<pgroth> i'll try

<pgroth> dialing in now

<ivan> it is still early...

<pgroth> yes

<pgroth> :-)

<pgroth> trackbot, start telcon

<trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference

<trackbot> Date: 18 April 2013

<pgroth> Scribe: Tom De Nies

<pgroth> @ivan you still have to edit though :-)

<pgroth> i did it this week

<pgroth> actually much nicer

<pgroth> +1 to sandro

<ivan> yes, you need to edit:-)

Admin

yes

<pgroth> Minutes of April 11, 2013 Telcon

+1

<Curt> 0 (not present)

<dgarijo> +1

pgroth: vote on last week's minutes

<Paolo> +1

<smiles> +1

<zednik> +1

<pgroth> accepted: : Minutes of April 11, 2013 Telcon

pgroth: there are no action items

All publications

<pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PublicationRequestApril30

pgroth: All editors need to check if the staged version is on the publication request wiki page

correct for prov-dictionary

<smiles> checked correct for primer (at last week's telecon)

pgroth: Reminder to remove the links to editor's drafts in ALL final documents

<dgarijo> removed from the dc note :)

pgroth: please check before you stage
... We've been going through typos, thanks.

<smiles> Yes

pgroth: Who has checked their provenance of provenance?
... PROV-XML?

zednik: I'll have to look
... timeframe?

pgroth: Not really pressing, but would be great if it's done by the publication
... Not done yet for PROV-AQ and PROV-Overview
... PROV-DC?

dgarijo: Added some rdfs, but haven't looked at Luc's document yet

pgroth: be sure to check Luc's provenance first

not yet

Tom: PROV-Dictionary not looked at it yet

jcheney: Not done yet for PROV-Sem

<dgarijo> +q

Dong: haven't looked at it yet for PROV-Implementations

dgarijo: Is it the provenance descriptions on the mercurial repository?

<jcheney> luc's prov-sem stuff looks fine

<jcheney> https://github.com/lucmoreau/ProvToolbox/blob/newschema/prov-n/src/test/resources/prov/prov-family.provn

pgroth: yes, we cna use those, unless you made some provenance yourself

<lebot> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/tip/provenance

lebot: Just want to make sure that the provenance directory in mercurial is the correct one

<pgroth> https://github.com/lucmoreau/ProvToolbox/blob/newschema/prov-n/src/test/resources/prov/prov-family.provn

Prov-aq

pgroth: That's where we put all the prov-of-prov, but James posted the one from Luc. (which is eventually find its way there)
... Graham has been responding to remaining issues
... now up to me for staging

PROV-Dc

dgarijo: Addressed most of Stian's and Antoine's comments
... Would be nice if someone could have a final look, because of the large number of revisions made.

<dgarijo> thx Tim!

<pgroth> tim to review prov-dc for grammar and stuff

lebot: I'll do it. (grammar and syntax checking)

pgroth: Any more comments?

<stain> I'm fine to vote

pgroth: Blockers from the reviewers?

dgarijo: Antoine will make some comments via email. Can we make changes after this vote?

<stain> Antoine is not on the call now, is he?

pgroth: Only until final staging
... after that, this is final release (Working Group Note)

dgarijo: He hasn't suggested changes yet, but he was going to comment on the mapping via email.

pgroth: We already gave a long time to comment. I think it's enough.

<stain> +1 - unless he has already strongly voiced (or said he would voice) any particular blocking concern

pgroth: If real issues arise, they can be handled in the errata/FAQ

<stain> pgroth: does he not sit meters away from you..?

pgroth: Do you have the link for the document to vote on?

dgarijo: yes, it's the staged document (not the ED)

<dgarijo> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/tip/dc-note/releases/NOTE-prov-dc-20130430/Overview.html#list_of_direct_mappings2

<dgarijo> I still have to push a couple of minor things, but that is the doc.

<pgroth> PROPOSED: to publish prov-dc as a Working Group note.

<stain> +1

<pgroth> +1

<Dong> +1

<SamCoppens> +1

<Paolo> +1

<zednik> +1 (RPI)

+1

<ivan> +1

<jcheney> +1

<hook> +1

<smiles> +1

<Curt> +1

<stain> no, it's a note

<pgroth> Accepted: to publish prov-dc as a Working Group note.

pgroth: Congratulations Daniel and Simon.

<dgarijo> :)

PROV-Dictionary

<smiles> Kai not me

Tom: PROV-Dictionary staged
... meets the pubrules as far as I can tell, and validates and passes the link-checker
... All remaining issues pending review, want to close them, do we need a vote?

https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/19

Tom: prov-n example needs to be validated.
... still todo: check provenance of PROV-Dictionary
... Document to vote on: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/dictionary/releases/NOTE-prov-dictionary-20130430/Overview.html

pgroth: Comments?

<pgroth> PROPOSED: to publish prov-dictionary as a Working Group note.

pgroth: then we are ready to vote

<ivan> +1

<smiles> +1

<Curt> +1

<zednik> +1

<SamCoppens> +1

<Paolo> +1

+1 (!)

<pgroth> +1

<stain> +1

<hook> +1

<Dong> +1

<dgarijo> +1

<jcheney> +1

<pgroth> Accepted: to publish prov-dictionary as a Working Group note.

PROV-XML

zednik: Got feedback from paul, luc, james and tom
... addressed everything, Editor's Draft is 99,99% finished.
... Not staged yet, but will do soon

mine were all fine

<Curt> Did you go through all of Luc's annotated pages, Stephan?

pgroth: All my comments were addressed.

<jcheney> ok with me

<zednik> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/tip/xml/prov-xml.html

<Curt> I saw a bunch of recent changes, but didn't look over everything recently

<pgroth> PROPOSED: to publish prov-xml as a Working Group note.

<Dong> +1

<dgarijo> +1

+1

<smiles> +1

<hook> +1

<Paolo> +1

<jcheney> +1

<Curt> +1

<SamCoppens> +1

<ivan> +1

<zednik> +1 :-)

<stain> +1

pgroth: any other comments?

<pgroth> Accepted: to publish prov-xml as a Working Group note.

pgroth: Congratulations Stephan, Curt and Hook!

PROV-Overview

<pgroth> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/overview/prov-overview.html

pgroth: made a few changes based on the received comments, thanks for those
... made colors correspond to document roadmap and layout correspond to dependencies between the document.

<dgarijo> yep

pgroth: Also added core recommendations from the PROV Incubator Group, stating that we met all of them
... Any questions?
... One thing to discuss was: Did we meet the requirements?
... There was one about accessing provenance.
... Luc didn't think we met it, but James and I did because we have the extensibility.

I think we certainly provide enough flexibility

<pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/XGR-prov-20101214/#Broad_Recommendations

<smiles> Isn't PAQ quite agnostic to provenance format?

<Curt> "

pgroth: Yes, the PROV-AQ is agnostic to format

<Curt> "show include a mechanism" I think we meet

<dgarijo> we provide a mapping to vocabularies that define terms to define licenses (DC).

<Curt> "should"

<dgarijo> no objections from my part.

<jcheney> sounds good to me

<smiles> Yes, I think we meet the requirement in a reasonable way

pgroth: So no objections to saying that we support this recommendation.

<pgroth> PROPOSED: to publish prov-overview as a Working Group note.

<dgarijo> +1

<SamCoppens> +1

<smiles> +1

+1

<ivan> +1

<jcheney> +1

<hook> +1

<stain> +1

<Curt> +1

<pgroth> +1

<lebot> +1

<Paolo> +1

<zednik> +1

<Dong> +1

<pgroth> Accepeted: to publish prov-overview as a Working Group note.

pgroth: I'll stage it somewhere this week

<dgarijo> +q

pgroth: We'll be looking into promotion for the standard once it's published

WWW2013 is May 12th, we should promote it there I think.

dgarijo: Can we reuse the blog material and such on other websites?

pgroth: Yes, but keep the provenance of it ;)

<stain> how sad!

<SamCoppens> Bye!

<Dong> bye all

<pgroth> @ivan do you have time to chat?

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