13:59:51 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/10/15-ldp-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/10/15-ldp-irc ←
13:59:51 <sandro> trackbot, start meeting
Sandro Hawke: trackbot, start meeting ←
13:59:53 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
13:59:55 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be LDP ←
13:59:55 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started ←
13:59:56 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:59:56 <trackbot> Date: 15 October 2012
13:59:58 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
14:00:00 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be LDP ←
14:00:00 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started ←
14:00:01 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:00:01 <trackbot> Date: 15 October 2012
14:00:06 <sandro> Zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: Zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:00:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see +329331aaaa, +1.408.996.aabb, [IBM], Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +329331aaaa, +1.408.996.aabb, [IBM], Sandro ←
14:00:13 <Ruben> zakim, aaaa is me
Ruben Verborgh: zakim, aaaa is me ←
14:00:13 <Zakim> +Ruben; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ruben; got it ←
14:00:23 <Arnaud> zakim, aabb is me
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, aabb is me ←
14:00:23 <Zakim> +Arnaud; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud; got it ←
14:00:32 <Zakim> +??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18 ←
14:00:38 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p18 is me
Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??p18 is me ←
14:00:38 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it ←
14:00:51 <SteveS> zakim, [IBM] is me
Steve Speicher: zakim, [IBM] is me ←
14:00:51 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it ←
14:00:52 <Zakim> +??P19
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19 ←
14:01:00 <Zakim> + +1.510.698.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.510.698.aacc ←
14:01:03 <krp> zakim, ??P19 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P19 is me ←
14:01:03 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
14:01:38 <bblfish> zakim, aacc is me
Henry Story: zakim, aacc is me ←
14:01:39 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish; got it ←
14:01:49 <Zakim> + +1.845.433.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.845.433.aadd ←
14:01:54 <Zakim> + +1.707.861.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.707.861.aaee ←
14:01:57 <Zakim> +??P26
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26 ←
14:02:01 <gavinc> Zakim, aaee is me
Gavin Carothers: Zakim, aaee is me ←
14:02:01 <Zakim> +gavinc; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +gavinc; got it ←
14:02:12 <svillata> Zakim, ??P26 is me
Serena Villata: Zakim, ??P26 is me ←
14:02:12 <Zakim> +svillata; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +svillata; got it ←
14:02:22 <Zakim> + +1.937.775.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.937.775.aaff ←
14:02:32 <Kalpa> zakim, aaff is me
Kalpa Gunaratna: zakim, aaff is me ←
14:02:32 <Zakim> +Kalpa; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Kalpa; got it ←
14:03:20 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra ←
14:03:40 <Zakim> + +44.117.370.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.117.370.aagg ←
14:03:57 <Zakim> +??P40
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P40 ←
14:04:00 <Zakim> + +1.617.324.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.324.aahh ←
14:04:01 <stevebattle> zakim, aagg is me
Steve Battle: zakim, aagg is me ←
14:04:02 <Zakim> +stevebattle; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +stevebattle; got it ←
14:04:08 <bblfish> zakim, who is here?
Henry Story: zakim, who is here? ←
14:04:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ruben, Arnaud, SteveS, Sandro, BartvanLeeuwen, krp, bblfish, +1.845.433.aadd, gavinc, svillata, Kalpa, Ashok_Malhotra, stevebattle, ??P40, +1.617.324.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ruben, Arnaud, SteveS, Sandro, BartvanLeeuwen, krp, bblfish, +1.845.433.aadd, gavinc, svillata, Kalpa, Ashok_Malhotra, stevebattle, ??P40, +1.617.324.aahh ←
14:04:10 <oberger> Zakim, ??P40 is me
Olivier Berger: Zakim, ??P40 is me ←
14:04:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see rgarcia, nmihindu, Ashok_Malhotra, Zakim, RRSAgent, gavinc, krp, BartvanLeeuwen, Ruben, svillata, Kalpa, Arnaud, SteveS, betehess, MacTed, sandro, mhausenblas,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see rgarcia, nmihindu, Ashok_Malhotra, Zakim, RRSAgent, gavinc, krp, BartvanLeeuwen, Ruben, svillata, Kalpa, Arnaud, SteveS, betehess, MacTed, sandro, mhausenblas, ←
14:04:12 <Zakim> ... bblfish, stevebattle, oberger, trackbot, Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: ... bblfish, stevebattle, oberger, trackbot, Yves ←
14:04:12 <Zakim> +oberger; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +oberger; got it ←
14:04:20 <Zakim> +??P37
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P37 ←
14:04:27 <Zakim> + +1.781.273.aaii
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.781.273.aaii ←
14:04:37 <MacTed> Zakim, aaii is OpenLink_Software
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, aaii is OpenLink_Software ←
14:04:37 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software; got it ←
14:04:40 <rgarcia> zakim, ??P37 is me
Raúl García Castro: zakim, ??P37 is me ←
14:04:40 <Zakim> +rgarcia; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +rgarcia; got it ←
14:04:47 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
14:04:47 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←
14:04:49 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
14:04:49 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
14:05:44 <Zakim> +??P44
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P44 ←
14:06:15 <MacTed> MacTed has changed the topic to: Linked Data Platform Working Group -- http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/ -- current agenda http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.10.15
Ted Thibodeau: MacTed has changed the topic to: Linked Data Platform Working Group -- http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/ -- current agenda http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.10.15 ←
14:06:24 <nmihindu> zakim, ??P44 is me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: zakim, ??P44 is me ←
14:06:24 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it ←
14:07:00 <SteveS> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Scribes
Steve Speicher: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Scribes ←
14:07:01 <Zakim> + +3539149aajj
Zakim IRC Bot: + +3539149aajj ←
14:07:08 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
14:07:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see +3539149aajj, Ruben, Arnaud, SteveS, Sandro, BartvanLeeuwen, krp, bblfish, +1.845.433.aadd, gavinc, svillata, Kalpa, Ashok_Malhotra, stevebattle, oberger, Yves,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +3539149aajj, Ruben, Arnaud, SteveS, Sandro, BartvanLeeuwen, krp, bblfish, +1.845.433.aadd, gavinc, svillata, Kalpa, Ashok_Malhotra, stevebattle, oberger, Yves, ←
14:07:12 <Zakim> ... rgarcia, MacTed (muted), nmihindu
Zakim IRC Bot: ... rgarcia, MacTed (muted), nmihindu ←
14:07:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see rgarcia, nmihindu, Ashok_Malhotra, Zakim, RRSAgent, gavinc, krp, BartvanLeeuwen, Ruben, svillata, Kalpa, Arnaud, SteveS, betehess, MacTed, sandro, mhausenblas,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see rgarcia, nmihindu, Ashok_Malhotra, Zakim, RRSAgent, gavinc, krp, BartvanLeeuwen, Ruben, svillata, Kalpa, Arnaud, SteveS, betehess, MacTed, sandro, mhausenblas, ←
14:07:12 <Zakim> ... bblfish, stevebattle, oberger, trackbot, Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: ... bblfish, stevebattle, oberger, trackbot, Yves ←
14:07:17 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aajj is me
Michael Hausenblas: Zakim, aajj is me ←
14:07:18 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas; got it ←
14:07:24 <BartvanLeeuwen> scribe: BartvanLeeuwen
(Scribe set to Bart van Leeuwen)
14:07:34 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's noisy? ←
14:07:45 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (80%), BartvanLeeuwen (40%)
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (80%), BartvanLeeuwen (40%) ←
14:07:54 <BartvanLeeuwen> topic: Last week minutes
14:07:58 <mhausenblas> +1
Michael Hausenblas: +1 ←
14:08:01 <Zakim> + +44.208.573.aakk
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.208.573.aakk ←
14:08:07 <bblfish> speaking about aproving http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-10-08
Henry Story: speaking about aproving http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-10-08 ←
14:08:29 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find minutes. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/users>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find minutes. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/users>. ←
14:09:33 <BartvanLeeuwen> Topic: F2F Lyon
14:09:48 <BartvanLeeuwen> Arnaud: please register
Arnaud Le Hors: please register ←
14:10:27 <BartvanLeeuwen> ... tomorrow ends low fee period
... tomorrow ends low fee period ←
<Arnaud> F2F page still shows a few people (Antonis, Erik, and Kevin) as not sure, please update as appropriate
Arnaud Le Hors: F2F page still shows a few people (Antonis, Erik, and Kevin) as not sure, please update as appropriate ←
14:11:08 <gavinc> RESOLVED: Approve Minutes 2012-10-08
RESOLVED: Approve Minutes 2012-10-08 ←
14:11:18 <BartvanLeeuwen> Topic: Issue-8
14:11:30 <gavinc> ISSUE-8?
14:11:30 <trackbot> ISSUE-8 -- Better define or just not use the "Basic profile" terminology -- pending review
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-8 -- Better define or just not use the "Basic profile" terminology -- pending review ←
14:11:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/8
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/8 ←
14:12:12 <mhausenblas> +1 to the proposal
Michael Hausenblas: +1 to the proposal ←
14:12:12 <BartvanLeeuwen> arnaud: anybody disagrees ?
Arnaud Le Hors: anybody disagrees ? ←
14:12:13 <gavinc> Is the proposal in the agenda?
Gavin Carothers: Is the proposal in the agenda? ←
14:12:20 <SteveS> +1 for spec name of LDP to match WG name
Steve Speicher: +1 for spec name of LDP to match WG name ←
14:12:32 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:12:32 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
14:12:35 <oberger> "Meeting of 8 October proposed to resolve ISSUE-8 Removing Profile by adopting "Linked Data Platform" as the name of our specification. We need to close this issue so that the draft can be updated accordingly prior to publication. "
Olivier Berger: "Meeting of 8 October proposed to resolve ISSUE-8 Removing Profile by adopting "Linked Data Platform" as the name of our specification. We need to close this issue so that the draft can be updated accordingly prior to publication. " ←
14:12:42 <SteveS> PROPOSED: LDP = Linked Data Platform for specification name, removing LDBP
PROPOSED: LDP = Linked Data Platform for specification name, removing LDBP ←
14:12:52 <MacTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
14:12:54 <krp> +1
Kevin Page: +1 ←
14:12:54 <mhausenblas> +1
Michael Hausenblas: +1 ←
14:12:57 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
14:12:57 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
14:12:57 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
14:12:58 <stevebattle> +1
Steve Battle: +1 ←
14:12:58 <oberger> +1
Olivier Berger: +1 ←
14:13:01 <rgarcia> +1
Raúl García Castro: +1 ←
14:13:02 <gavinc> +0
Gavin Carothers: +0 ←
14:13:03 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
+1 ←
14:13:04 <bblfish> +1
Henry Story: +1 ←
14:13:09 <JohnArwe> +1
14:13:12 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
14:13:18 <nmihindu> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
14:13:35 <svillata> +1
Serena Villata: +1 ←
14:13:38 <JohnArwe> zakim, who's on the phone?
John Arwe: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
14:13:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see mhausenblas, +44.208.573.aakk, Ruben, Arnaud, SteveS, Sandro, BartvanLeeuwen, krp, bblfish, +1.845.433.aadd, gavinc, svillata, Kalpa, Ashok_Malhotra,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see mhausenblas, +44.208.573.aakk, Ruben, Arnaud, SteveS, Sandro, BartvanLeeuwen, krp, bblfish, +1.845.433.aadd, gavinc, svillata, Kalpa, Ashok_Malhotra, ←
14:13:42 <Zakim> ... stevebattle, oberger, Yves, rgarcia, MacTed (muted), nmihindu
Zakim IRC Bot: ... stevebattle, oberger, Yves, rgarcia, MacTed (muted), nmihindu ←
14:13:46 <JohnArwe> zakim, aadd is me
John Arwe: zakim, aadd is me ←
14:13:46 <Zakim> +JohnArwe; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JohnArwe; got it ←
14:14:03 <BartvanLeeuwen> RESOLVED: LDP = Linked Data Platform for specification name, removing LDBP
RESOLVED: LDP = Linked Data Platform for specification name, removing LDBP ←
14:14:16 <oberger> what about resources and containers names ?
Olivier Berger: what about resources and containers names ? ←
14:14:59 <BartvanLeeuwen> Topic: Open Actions
14:15:04 <gavinc> ACTION-6?
14:15:04 <trackbot> ACTION-6 -- Michael Hausenblas to review SDshare -- due 2012-09-28 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-6 -- Michael Hausenblas to review SDshare -- due 2012-09-28 -- OPEN ←
14:15:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/6
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/6 ←
14:15:47 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/community/sdshare/
Michael Hausenblas: http://www.w3.org/community/sdshare/ ←
14:15:52 <gavinc> mhausenblas: Haven't written it up, but I have talked with the community group about it.
Michael Hausenblas: Haven't written it up, but I have talked with the community group about it. [ Scribe Assist by Gavin Carothers ] ←
14:16:11 <BartvanLeeuwen> mhausenblas: I will report to mailing list, new CG is formed, to get SDShare into next level
Michael Hausenblas: I will report to mailing list, new CG is formed, to get SDShare into next level ←
14:17:12 <BartvanLeeuwen> mhausenblas: SDShare will not overlap LDP, its complementary, SDShare / LDP should play nice together, but no hard dependencies
Michael Hausenblas: SDShare will not overlap LDP, its complementary, SDShare / LDP should play nice together, but no hard dependencies ←
14:17:19 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:17:26 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
14:17:26 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
14:17:51 <JohnArwe> zakim, who's making noise?
John Arwe: zakim, who's making noise? ←
14:18:01 <MacTed> Zakim, mute AndyS
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute AndyS ←
14:18:01 <Zakim> AndyS should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS should now be muted ←
14:18:02 <Zakim> JohnArwe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (79%), JohnArwe (4%), AndyS (54%)
Zakim IRC Bot: JohnArwe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (79%), JohnArwe (4%), AndyS (54%) ←
14:18:03 <BartvanLeeuwen> topic: Raised Issues
14:18:07 <AndyS> zakim, mute me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, mute me ←
14:18:07 <Zakim> AndyS was already muted, AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS was already muted, AndyS ←
14:18:11 <MacTed> :-)
Ted Thibodeau: :-) ←
14:18:30 <BartvanLeeuwen> subtopic: Issue-22
14:18:30 <trackbot> ISSUE-22 -- Need to normatively reference and recommend JSON-LD -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-22 -- Need to normatively reference and recommend JSON-LD -- raised ←
14:18:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/22
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/22 ←
14:18:50 <mhausenblas> q+ to ask re JSON-LD
Michael Hausenblas: q+ to ask re JSON-LD ←
14:19:12 <BartvanLeeuwen> who was that ?
who was that ? ←
14:19:33 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:19:33 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
14:20:06 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
14:20:14 <mhausenblas> Michael: I'm not a huge fan of doing that, tbh would prefer something simple such as http://www.w3.org/wiki/JTriples
Michael Hausenblas: I'm not a huge fan of doing that, tbh would prefer something simple such as http://www.w3.org/wiki/JTriples [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←
14:20:17 <mhausenblas> q-
Michael Hausenblas: q- ←
14:20:21 <mhausenblas> q?
Michael Hausenblas: q? ←
<Arnaud> resolved: open Issue-22
14:21:40 <bblfish> reopen Issue-22
Henry Story: reopen ISSUE-22 ←
14:21:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-22 Need to normatively reference and recommend JSON-LD re-opened
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-22 Need to normatively reference and recommend JSON-LD re-opened ←
14:22:00 <JohnArwe> I'm willing to try and keep up with the decisions using the web api in real time.
John Arwe: I'm willing to try and keep up with the decisions using the web api in real time. ←
14:22:07 <BartvanLeeuwen> subtopic: Issue-23
<Arnaud> resolved: open Issue-23
14:22:19 <BartvanLeeuwen> subtopic: Issue-24
14:22:23 <trackbot> ISSUE-24 -- Should DELETED resources remain deleted? -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-24 -- Should DELETED resources remain deleted? -- raised ←
14:22:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/24
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/24 ←
14:23:03 <gavinc> Should DELETE result in 410s forever?
Gavin Carothers: Should DELETE result in 410s forever? ←
14:23:58 <JohnArwe> seems like we are function creeping from "should we open" into a full discussion on the candidate issue
John Arwe: seems like we are function creeping from "should we open" into a full discussion on the candidate issue ←
14:24:23 <oberger> let's open it
Olivier Berger: let's open it ←
14:24:23 <mhausenblas> -1
Michael Hausenblas: -1 ←
14:24:44 <oberger> cause there's an argument ongoing -> on the ML ;)
Olivier Berger: cause there's an argument ongoing -> on the ML ;) ←
14:25:31 <stevebattle> I think the spec is unclear - it should explcictly refer to the cool URIs advice, but not prescribe one way or t'other.
Steve Battle: I think the spec is unclear - it should explcictly refer to the cool URIs advice, but not prescribe one way or t'other. ←
14:25:36 <MacTed> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/24
Ted Thibodeau: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/24 ←
14:25:46 <gavinc> 4.5.1 BPR servers must remove the resource identified by the Request-URI. After a successful HTTP DELETE, a subsequent HTTP GET on the same Request-URI must result in a 404 (Not found) or 410 (Gone) status code, until another resource is created or associated with the same Request-URI.
Gavin Carothers: 4.5.1 BPR servers must remove the resource identified by the Request-URI. After a successful HTTP DELETE, a subsequent HTTP GET on the same Request-URI must result in a 404 (Not found) or 410 (Gone) status code, until another resource is created or associated with the same Request-URI. ←
14:26:12 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
14:28:12 <mhausenblas> +1 to open it and add a non-normative reference to cool URIs, etc. to make clear that apps should handle it
Michael Hausenblas: +1 to open it and add a non-normative reference to cool URIs, etc. to make clear that apps should handle it ←
14:28:39 <MacTed> MacTed: spec seems clear enough. I see use cases where location-based URIs may be reused to name entirely different resources -- i.e., when locations change
Ted Thibodeau: spec seems clear enough. I see use cases where location-based URIs may be reused to name entirely different resources -- i.e., when locations change [ Scribe Assist by Ted Thibodeau ] ←
14:29:19 <JohnArwe> q+
14:29:21 <oberger> Is there a reference to CoolURIs in the specs ? Shouldn't there be ?
Olivier Berger: Is there a reference to CoolURIs in the specs ? Shouldn't there be ? ←
14:29:40 <MacTed> MacTed: the text of the Issue page seems to raise 4 different concerns. I suggest that it be broken up more...
Ted Thibodeau: the text of the Issue page seems to raise 4 different concerns. I suggest that it be broken up more... [ Scribe Assist by Ted Thibodeau ] ←
14:30:29 <bblfish> Not trying to be hard on Ruben, just trying to clarify how quickly one should open issues
Henry Story: Not trying to be hard on Ruben, just trying to clarify how quickly one should open issues ←
14:30:41 <Ruben> No problem :)
Ruben Verborgh: No problem :) ←
14:30:44 <bblfish> process is working +1
Henry Story: process is working +1 ←
14:31:04 <stevebattle> I think we should allow time for email discussion.
Steve Battle: I think we should allow time for email discussion. ←
14:31:09 <Ruben> I'm willing to discuss on the mailing list
Ruben Verborgh: I'm willing to discuss on the mailing list ←
14:31:54 <oberger> Is there a reference to CoolURIs in the specs ? Shouldn't there be ?
Olivier Berger: Is there a reference to CoolURIs in the specs ? Shouldn't there be ? ←
14:32:06 <oberger> (repeating myself ? ;-)
Olivier Berger: (repeating myself ? ;-) ←
14:32:26 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Open ISSUE-24
14:32:58 <stevebattle> +1
Steve Battle: +1 ←
14:33:35 <Ruben> I will.
Ruben Verborgh: I will. ←
14:33:42 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
+1 ←
14:33:46 <mhausenblas> Michael: Thanks a lot, Ruben!
Michael Hausenblas: Thanks a lot, Ruben! [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←
14:33:50 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
14:33:58 <krp> +1
Kevin Page: +1 ←
14:34:03 <MacTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
14:34:20 <BartvanLeeuwen> RESOLVED: Open ISSUE-24
14:34:22 <BartvanLeeuwen> reopen Issue-24
14:34:22 <trackbot> ISSUE-24 Should DELETED resources remain deleted? re-opened
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-24 Should DELETED resources remain deleted? re-opened ←
14:34:33 <JohnArwe> q-
14:35:04 <BartvanLeeuwen> topic: Specification
14:35:21 <BartvanLeeuwen> Arnaud: where are we in timeline, what is the shape for the F2F
Arnaud Le Hors: where are we in timeline, what is the shape for the F2F ←
14:35:58 <BartvanLeeuwen> SteveS: pulled the open issues in the current draft, apart from todays issues
Steve Speicher: pulled the open issues in the current draft, apart from todays issues ←
14:36:01 <mhausenblas> q?
Michael Hausenblas: q? ←
14:36:39 <mhausenblas> q+ to propose a process re FPWD
Michael Hausenblas: q+ to propose a process re FPWD ←
14:36:41 <mhausenblas> q?
Michael Hausenblas: q? ←
14:36:44 <BartvanLeeuwen> Arnaud: Next call ( 22-10 ) spec should be ready for FPWD
Arnaud Le Hors: Next call ( 22-10 ) spec should be ready for FPWD ←
14:37:25 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: To consider the current ED as ready for review by WG
PROPOSED: To consider the current ED as ready for review by WG ←
14:37:35 <mhausenblas> q?
Michael Hausenblas: q? ←
14:37:36 <BartvanLeeuwen> SteveS: Spec could be done by tomorrow
Steve Speicher: Spec could be done by tomorrow ←
14:37:55 <mhausenblas> ack me
Michael Hausenblas: ack me ←
14:37:55 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to propose a process re FPWD
Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to propose a process re FPWD ←
14:39:05 <BartvanLeeuwen> mhausenblas: we should appoint 2 / 3 volunteers for review asap
Michael Hausenblas: we should appoint 2 / 3 volunteers for review asap ←
14:39:25 <AndyS> This is FPWD -- the barrier need not be very high. "Publish early, publish often"
Andy Seaborne: This is FPWD -- the barrier need not be very high. "Publish early, publish often" ←
14:40:41 <mhausenblas> Michael: I agree AndyS - I'm just trying to play it safe ;)
Michael Hausenblas: I agree AndyS - I'm just trying to play it safe ;) [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←
14:40:58 <gavinc> +1 I support publishing what we have as a FPWD ;)
Gavin Carothers: +1 I support publishing what we have as a FPWD ;) ←
14:41:01 <SteveS> For what it is worth, this member submission (mostly the same words) has been public since April 2nd
Steve Speicher: For what it is worth, this member submission (mostly the same words) has been public since April 2nd ←
14:41:19 <oberger> +1 SteveS
Olivier Berger: +1 SteveS ←
14:41:37 <oberger> let's see what the community thinks about it
Olivier Berger: let's see what the community thinks about it ←
14:41:51 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
14:42:01 <BartvanLeeuwen> Arnaud: SteveS will report when the spec is ready, everybody has chance to next meeting to support it.
Arnaud Le Hors: SteveS will report when the spec is ready, everybody has chance to next meeting to support it. ←
14:42:12 <BartvanLeeuwen> Topic: Use cases and requirements
14:43:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> stevebattle: Close outstanding issue by next monday, week later first draft ready
Steve Battle: Close outstanding issue by next monday, week later first draft ready ←
14:43:20 <BartvanLeeuwen> stevebattle: good discussion about Issue-20 on the list
Steve Battle: good discussion about ISSUE-20 on the list ←
14:43:57 <bblfish> Issue-20?
14:43:57 <trackbot> ISSUE-20 -- Identifying and naming POSTed resources -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-20 -- Identifying and naming POSTed resources -- open ←
14:43:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/20
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/20 ←
14:44:05 <Zakim> -oberger
Zakim IRC Bot: -oberger ←
14:44:29 <AndyS> I have quoted the spec text!
Andy Seaborne: I have quoted the spec text! ←
14:44:58 <bblfish> there was a nice mail today quoting rfc2616 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012Oct/0160.html
Henry Story: there was a nice mail today quoting rfc2616 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012Oct/0160.html ←
14:45:12 <BartvanLeeuwen> Topic: Open issues
14:45:13 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:45:44 <BartvanLeeuwen> ack bblfish
ack bblfish ←
14:45:56 <BartvanLeeuwen> subtopic: Issue-20
14:45:56 <trackbot> ISSUE-20 -- Identifying and naming POSTed resources -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-20 -- Identifying and naming POSTed resources -- open ←
14:45:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/20
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/20 ←
14:47:07 <MacTed> q+
Ted Thibodeau: q+ ←
14:47:13 <gavinc> RDF WG is unlikely to add relative URIs to RDF
Gavin Carothers: RDF WG is unlikely to add relative URIs to RDF ←
14:47:24 <Arnaud> ack MacTed
Arnaud Le Hors: ack MacTed ←
14:47:29 <stevebattle> q+
Steve Battle: q+ ←
14:47:34 <BartvanLeeuwen> bblfish: should we coordinate something to discuss with RDF-wg at TPAC
Henry Story: should we coordinate something to discuss with RDF-wg at TPAC ←
14:50:24 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
14:50:28 <stevebattle> q-
Steve Battle: q- ←
14:50:47 <gavinc> Is the the issue: How do you create new RDF resource with an unknown URI?
Gavin Carothers: Is the the issue: How do you create new RDF resource with an unknown URI? ←
14:51:00 <gavinc> That's what I think the issue is, yes?
Gavin Carothers: That's what I think the issue is, yes? ←
14:51:19 <AndyS> +1 to gavinc.
Andy Seaborne: +1 to gavinc. ←
14:51:43 <gavinc> +q to say what I just said in IRC
Gavin Carothers: +q to say what I just said in IRC ←
14:51:44 <mhausenblas> Michael: I'm wondering. Are we talking protocol or are we talking philosophy?
Michael Hausenblas: I'm wondering. Are we talking protocol or are we talking philosophy? [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←
14:51:57 <mhausenblas> Michael: Not trying to be offensive, but ...
Michael Hausenblas: Not trying to be offensive, but ... [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←
14:51:59 <mhausenblas> q?
Michael Hausenblas: q? ←
14:52:19 <stevebattle> q+
Steve Battle: q+ ←
14:52:47 <mhausenblas> Michael: I believe in running code and experiencing issues through it. Discussions only take us so far ;)
Michael Hausenblas: I believe in running code and experiencing issues through it. Discussions only take us so far ;) [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←
14:52:59 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
14:53:12 <Arnaud> ack gavinc
Arnaud Le Hors: ack gavinc ←
14:53:12 <Zakim> gavinc, you wanted to say what I just said in IRC
Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc, you wanted to say what I just said in IRC ←
14:53:23 <mhausenblas> q+ to suggest to show, not tell
Michael Hausenblas: q+ to suggest to show, not tell ←
14:53:31 <bblfish> yes
Henry Story: yes ←
14:53:33 <bblfish> +1
Henry Story: +1 ←
14:53:34 <stevebattle> correct :)
Steve Battle: correct :) ←
14:53:45 <mhausenblas> q?
Michael Hausenblas: q? ←
14:53:57 <stevebattle> agreed.
Steve Battle: agreed. ←
14:54:07 <Arnaud> ack stevebattle
Arnaud Le Hors: ack stevebattle ←
14:54:10 <mhausenblas> q?
Michael Hausenblas: q? ←
14:55:03 <Arnaud> ack mhausenblas
Arnaud Le Hors: ack mhausenblas ←
14:55:04 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to suggest to show, not tell
Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to suggest to show, not tell ←
14:55:26 <bblfish> mhausenblas: I already have code on this
Michael Hausenblas: I already have code on this [ Scribe Assist by Henry Story ] ←
14:55:30 <bblfish> I pointed to in in e-mail
Henry Story: I pointed to in in e-mail ←
14:55:52 <sandro> +1 rough consensus and running code
Sandro Hawke: +1 rough consensus and running code ←
14:55:58 <stevebattle> q+
Steve Battle: q+ ←
14:56:19 <gavinc> Creating a Turtle document with a <> in it, maybe VERY VERY hard.
Gavin Carothers: Creating a Turtle document with a <> in it, maybe VERY VERY hard. ←
14:56:23 <gavinc> Oh, there is a code issue ;)
Gavin Carothers: Oh, there is a code issue ;) ←
14:56:24 <bblfish> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012Oct/0160.html
Henry Story: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012Oct/0160.html ←
14:56:38 <AndyS> +1 to gavinc.
Andy Seaborne: +1 to gavinc. ←
14:56:54 <gavinc> +q to say that there IS a code issue
Gavin Carothers: +q to say that there IS a code issue ←
14:57:10 <gavinc> The server is easy
Gavin Carothers: The server is easy ←
14:57:13 <gavinc> The client? heh
Gavin Carothers: The client? heh ←
14:57:15 <AndyS> RFC 3986 says something different to my reading. gavinc has a good point for the client side.
Andy Seaborne: RFC 3986 says something different to my reading. gavinc has a good point for the client side. ←
14:57:28 <MacTed> q+
Ted Thibodeau: q+ ←
14:57:48 <gavinc> http-bis doesn't have an issue
Gavin Carothers: http-bis doesn't have an issue ←
14:57:58 <mhausenblas> q?
Michael Hausenblas: q? ←
14:58:03 <stevebattle> q-
Steve Battle: q- ←
14:59:01 <JohnArwe> I have not looked recently with this particular issue driving me, but I have read several bis sections several times over the past year or so (POST among them) without catching any big-animal changes.
John Arwe: I have not looked recently with this particular issue driving me, but I have read several bis sections several times over the past year or so (POST among them) without catching any big-animal changes. ←
14:59:34 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
14:59:39 <Arnaud> ack gavinc
Arnaud Le Hors: ack gavinc ←
14:59:39 <Zakim> gavinc, you wanted to say that there IS a code issue
Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc, you wanted to say that there IS a code issue ←
14:59:39 <stevebattle> Good point
Steve Battle: Good point ←
15:00:44 <stevebattle> Could someone mail some code to prove that point (eg. using Jena to create <>)
Steve Battle: Could someone mail some code to prove that point (eg. using Jena to create <>) ←
15:00:45 <BartvanLeeuwen> gavinc: there are no tools available which can create the empty base URI documents
Gavin Carothers: there are no tools available which can create the empty base URI documents ←
15:01:27 <Arnaud> ack MacTed
Arnaud Le Hors: ack MacTed ←
15:01:42 <bblfish> +1
Henry Story: +1 ←
15:02:00 <AndyS> Jena allows the base URI to be specificied but the client does not know before sending. Need to serialize before sending.
Andy Seaborne: Jena allows the base URI to be specificied but the client does not know before sending. Need to serialize before sending. ←
15:02:00 <bblfish> Don't let the current status on the tools rule good clean APIs
Henry Story: Don't let the current status on the tools rule good clean APIs ←
15:02:31 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
<Arnaud> Arnaud: Ok, we're out of time, we'll leave at that for now.
Arnaud Le Hors: Ok, we're out of time, we'll leave at that for now. [ Scribe Assist by Arnaud Le Hors ] ←
<Arnaud> Meeting adjourned
Arnaud Le Hors: Meeting adjourned ←
15:02:44 <Zakim> - +44.208.573.aakk
Zakim IRC Bot: - +44.208.573.aakk ←
15:02:47 <Zakim> -Ruben
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ruben ←
15:02:49 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
Zakim IRC Bot: -mhausenblas ←
15:02:50 <Zakim> -Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: -Yves ←
15:02:51 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←
15:02:54 <Zakim> -MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←
15:02:56 <Zakim> -SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS ←
15:02:59 <Zakim> -gavinc
Zakim IRC Bot: -gavinc ←
15:03:00 <Zakim> -svillata
Zakim IRC Bot: -svillata ←
15:03:04 <Zakim> -bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish ←
15:03:05 <Zakim> -Kalpa
Zakim IRC Bot: -Kalpa ←
15:03:07 <Zakim> -krp
Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←
15:03:12 <AndyS> I see no point in faking a base to tunnel through toolkits correctly implementing RDF.
Andy Seaborne: I see no point in faking a base to tunnel through toolkits correctly implementing RDF. ←
15:03:19 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
15:03:36 <MacTed> gavinc - my point is that it's already standardized as part of Turtle.
Ted Thibodeau: gavinc - my point is that it's already standardized as part of Turtle. ←
15:03:37 <bblfish> Ah I was thinking of Dan Connolly on speech acts and http
Henry Story: Ah I was thinking of Dan Connolly on speech acts and http ←
15:03:41 <Zakim> -JohnArwe
Zakim IRC Bot: -JohnArwe ←
15:03:46 <MacTed> (and every other serialization of which I'm aware)
Ted Thibodeau: (and every other serialization of which I'm aware) ←
15:03:54 <gavinc> <> does not have specific meaning in Turtle
Gavin Carothers: <> does not have specific meaning in Turtle ←
15:03:56 <gavinc> <> is not magic
Gavin Carothers: <> is not magic ←
15:03:59 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/dj9/story.html
Henry Story: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/dj9/story.html ←
15:04:00 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen
Zakim IRC Bot: -BartvanLeeuwen ←
15:04:03 <BartvanLeeuwen> bye
bye ←
15:04:04 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
15:04:08 <stevebattle> Thanks for the speech acts pointer
Steve Battle: Thanks for the speech acts pointer ←
15:04:10 <Zakim> -nmihindu
Zakim IRC Bot: -nmihindu ←
15:04:13 <Zakim> -rgarcia
Zakim IRC Bot: -rgarcia ←
15:04:15 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:04:42 <trackbot> Sorry, Arnaud, I don't understand 'trackbot, meeting adjourned'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, Arnaud, I don't understand 'trackbot, meeting adjourned'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help ←
15:05:07 <gavinc> It is totally reasonable to produce a Turtle document which replaces <> with <http://example.org/base/> in every instance, and by specification the MEANING of the document has not changed.
Gavin Carothers: It is totally reasonable to produce a Turtle document which replaces <> with <http://example.org/base/> in every instance, and by specification the MEANING of the document has not changed. ←
15:05:09 <Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting
Arnaud Le Hors: trackbot, end meeting ←
15:05:09 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
15:05:09 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +329331aaaa, +1.408.996.aabb, Sandro, Ruben, Arnaud, BartvanLeeuwen, SteveS, +1.510.698.aacc, krp, bblfish, +1.845.433.aadd,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been +329331aaaa, +1.408.996.aabb, Sandro, Ruben, Arnaud, BartvanLeeuwen, SteveS, +1.510.698.aacc, krp, bblfish, +1.845.433.aadd, ←
15:05:13 <Zakim> ... +1.707.861.aaee, gavinc, svillata, +1.937.775.aaff, Kalpa, Ashok_Malhotra, +44.117.370.aagg, +1.617.324.aahh, stevebattle, oberger, Yves, +1.781.273.aaii, rgarcia, MacTed,
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.707.861.aaee, gavinc, svillata, +1.937.775.aaff, Kalpa, Ashok_Malhotra, +44.117.370.aagg, +1.617.324.aahh, stevebattle, oberger, Yves, +1.781.273.aaii, rgarcia, MacTed, ←
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Zakim IRC Bot: ... nmihindu, +3539149aajj, mhausenblas, +44.208.573.aakk, JohnArwe, AndyS ←
15:05:17 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
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