Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 24 September 2012

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Andy Seaborne, Armin Haller, Arnaud Le Hors, Ashok Malhotra, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Erik Wilde, Henry Story, Jacek Kopecky, John Arwe, Kalpa Gunaratna, Olivier Berger, Roger Menday, Ruben Verborgh, Sandro Hawke, Serena Villata, Steve Battle, Steve Speicher, Ted Thibodeau, Yrjana Rankka, Yves Lafon
Scribe
Ashok Malhotra
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Minutes of last meeting approved link
  2. use ldp for namespace name link
Topics
13:58:21 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/09/24-ldp-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/09/24-ldp-irc ←

13:58:23 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public ←

13:58:23 <sandro> trackbot, you have the worst parser I have ever seen.

Sandro Hawke: trackbot, you have the worst parser I have ever seen. ←

13:58:25 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be LDP ←

13:58:25 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started ←

13:58:26 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:58:26 <trackbot> Date: 24 September 2012
13:58:26 <trackbot> Sorry, sandro, I don't understand 'trackbot, you have the worst parser I have ever seen.'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, sandro, I don't understand 'trackbot, you have the worst parser I have ever seen.'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help ←

13:58:27 <Zakim> +stevebattle

Zakim IRC Bot: +stevebattle ←

13:58:37 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←

13:58:41 <Zakim> +Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud ←

13:58:43 <sandro> Zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, who is on the call? ←

13:58:47 <Zakim> +Ruben

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ruben ←

13:58:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see stevebattle, Sandro, Arnaud, Ruben

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see stevebattle, Sandro, Arnaud, Ruben ←

13:58:51 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4 ←

13:58:53 <Ruben> zakim, mute me

Ruben Verborgh: zakim, mute me ←

13:58:55 <Zakim> Ruben should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ruben should now be muted ←

13:59:22 <svillata> zakim, ??P4 is me

Serena Villata: zakim, ??P4 is me ←

13:59:22 <Zakim> +svillata; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +svillata; got it ←

13:59:54 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra ←

14:00:02 <Zakim> +ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP ←

14:00:31 <Zakim> + +61.4.331.2.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +61.4.331.2.aaaa ←

14:00:43 <Zakim> +bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish ←

14:00:51 <Zakim> +dret

Zakim IRC Bot: +dret ←

14:00:58 <Zakim> +??P17

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17 ←

14:01:00 <ahaller2> zakim,+61.4.331.2.aaaa is me

Armin Haller: zakim,+61.4.331.2.aaaa is me ←

14:01:00 <Zakim> +ahaller2; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ahaller2; got it ←

14:01:05 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software ←

14:01:10 <Zakim> +??P19

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19 ←

14:01:11 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←

14:01:12 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←

14:01:13 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←

14:01:13 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←

14:01:21 <AndyS> zakim, ??P19 is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P19 is me ←

14:01:21 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←

14:01:29 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←

14:01:46 <bblfish> zakim, who is here?

Henry Story: zakim, who is here? ←

14:01:47 <SteveS> zakim, [IBM] is me

Steve Speicher: zakim, [IBM] is me ←

14:01:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see stevebattle, Sandro, Arnaud, Ruben (muted), svillata, Ashok_Malhotra, ericP, ahaller2, bblfish, dret, ??P17, MacTed (muted), AndyS, [IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see stevebattle, Sandro, Arnaud, Ruben (muted), svillata, Ashok_Malhotra, ericP, ahaller2, bblfish, dret, ??P17, MacTed (muted), AndyS, [IBM] ←

14:01:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see jkopecky, bblfish, dret, Ruben, Zakim, RRSAgent, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, ahaller2, domel, svillata, AndyS, betehess, MacTed, stevebattle, nandana, oberger,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see jkopecky, bblfish, dret, Ruben, Zakim, RRSAgent, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, ahaller2, domel, svillata, AndyS, betehess, MacTed, stevebattle, nandana, oberger, ←

14:01:47 <Zakim> ... cgueret, ericP, trackbot, Yves, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... cgueret, ericP, trackbot, Yves, sandro ←

14:01:50 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it ←

14:01:51 <oberger> zakim, ??P17 is me

Olivier Berger: zakim, ??P17 is me ←

14:01:53 <Zakim> +oberger; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +oberger; got it ←

14:02:18 <oberger> hi Arnaud

Olivier Berger: hi Arnaud ←

14:02:23 <Zakim> +??P22

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P22 ←

14:02:38 <jkopecky> zakim, ??P22 is me

Jacek Kopecky: zakim, ??P22 is me ←

14:02:38 <Zakim> +jkopecky; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jkopecky; got it ←

14:03:22 <Zakim> + +44.208.573.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.208.573.aabb ←

14:03:37 <Zakim> +JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: +JohnArwe ←

14:03:44 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←

14:03:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see stevebattle, Sandro, Arnaud, Ruben (muted), svillata, Ashok_Malhotra, ericP, ahaller2, bblfish, dret, oberger, MacTed (muted), AndyS, SteveS, jkopecky,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see stevebattle, Sandro, Arnaud, Ruben (muted), svillata, Ashok_Malhotra, ericP, ahaller2, bblfish, dret, oberger, MacTed (muted), AndyS, SteveS, jkopecky, ←

14:03:47 <Zakim> ... +44.208.573.aabb, JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +44.208.573.aabb, JohnArwe ←

14:04:48 <Ashok_Malhotra> scribenick:  Ashok_Malhotra

(Scribe set to Ashok Malhotra)

14:04:52 <sandro> zakim, aabb is RogerMenday

Sandro Hawke: zakim, aabb is RogerMenday ←

14:04:52 <Zakim> +RogerMenday; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +RogerMenday; got it ←

14:04:53 <Zakim> +Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: +Yves ←

14:05:09 <Ashok_Malhotra> Topic:  Admin

1. Admin

14:05:17 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←

14:05:37 <Ashok_Malhotra> Minutes of last meeting:  http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-09-17

Minutes of last meeting: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-09-17 ←

14:05:44 <SteveS> +1 Sept 17 minutes

Steve Speicher: +1 Sept 17 minutes ←

14:06:07 <Ashok_Malhotra> RESOLUTION:  Minutes of last meeting approved

RESOLVED: Minutes of last meeting approved ←

14:06:13 <Zakim> +ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP ←

14:06:22 <Ashok_Malhotra> Arnaud:  Next meeting Oct 1

Arnaud Le Hors: Next meeting Oct 1 ←

14:06:43 <Ashok_Malhotra> Topic:  f2f

2. f2f

14:06:45 <bblfish> q+ for TPAC

Henry Story: q+ for TPAC ←

14:06:54 <Ashok_Malhotra> Arnaud:  Please register for TPAC

Arnaud Le Hors: Please register for TPAC ←

14:07:24 <roger> I plan to come to the F2F (RogerMenday) on the Thursday, but unfortunately not the Friday.

Roger Menday: I plan to come to the F2F (RogerMenday) on the Thursday, but unfortunately not the Friday. ←

14:08:03 <Ashok_Malhotra> Sandro: 16 people registerede now ... I will ask for a larger room

Sandro Hawke: 16 people registered now ... I will ask for a larger room ←

14:08:17 <bblfish> that's bad interface on the html page (sometimes you cannot uncheck some buttons)

Henry Story: that's bad interface on the html page (sometimes you cannot uncheck some buttons) ←

14:08:39 <Ashok_Malhotra> s/registerede/registered/
14:08:53 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2012/SessionIdeas#WebID_and_RWWeb

Henry Story: http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2012/SessionIdeas#WebID_and_RWWeb ←

14:08:54 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←

14:09:22 <Ashok_Malhotra> Henry:  I put a session together for Wed that should interest folks

Henry Story: I put a session together for Wed that should interest folks ←

14:09:33 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←

14:09:33 <Zakim> bblfish, you wanted to discuss TPAC

Zakim IRC Bot: bblfish, you wanted to discuss TPAC ←

14:09:57 <bblfish> rww & webid community Monday, Tuesday.

Henry Story: rww & webid community Monday, Tuesday. ←

14:11:13 <Zakim> + +1.937.279.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.937.279.aacc ←

14:11:17 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←

14:11:50 <kalpa> zakim, aacc is me

Kalpa Gunaratna: zakim, aacc is me ←

14:11:50 <Zakim> +kalpa; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +kalpa; got it ←

14:12:06 <Ashok_Malhotra> Arnaud:  There are a lot of meetings at TPAC so folks will have conflicts

Arnaud Le Hors: There are a lot of meetings at TPAC so folks will have conflicts ←

14:12:23 <Zakim> +[GVoice]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[GVoice] ←

14:12:34 <Ashok_Malhotra> ... perhaps reserve a slot at LDP meeting

... perhaps reserve a slot at LDP meeting ←

14:12:52 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←

14:12:56 <Ashok_Malhotra> ... for WebID

... for WebID ←

14:13:32 <Ashok_Malhotra> Topic:  Open Actions

3. Open Actions

14:14:44 <Ashok_Malhotra> ACTION 10 is done ... close

ACTION-10 is done ... close ←

14:14:44 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 10

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - 10 ←

14:15:04 <Ashok_Malhotra> Close ACTION-10

Close ACTION-10 ←

14:15:05 <trackbot> ACTION-10 Convert member submission to Editor's Draft, with support of JohnArwe and mhausenblas closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-10 Convert member submission to Editor's Draft, with support of JohnArwe and mhausenblas closed ←

14:15:59 <Ashok_Malhotra> Close ACTION-12

Close ACTION-12 ←

14:15:59 <trackbot> ACTION-12 Define Turtle as the required serialization format for LDP closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-12 Define Turtle as the required serialization format for LDP closed ←

14:16:03 <oberger> What's GSP ?

Olivier Berger: What's GSP ? ←

14:16:33 <Zakim> +??P39

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P39 ←

14:16:34 <SteveS> GSP => Graph Store Protocol http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-http-rdf-update/

Steve Speicher: GSP => Graph Store Protocol http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-http-rdf-update/ ←

14:16:36 <sandro> GSP = SPARQL 1.1 HTTP Graph Store Protocol

Sandro Hawke: GSP = SPARQL 1.1 HTTP Graph Store Protocol ←

14:16:47 <ghard> Zakim, ??P39 is ghard

Yrjana Rankka: Zakim, ??P39 is ghard ←

14:16:47 <Zakim> +ghard; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ghard; got it ←

14:16:50 <oberger> thx SteveS and sandro

Olivier Berger: thx SteveS and sandro ←

14:17:06 <ghard> Sorry I'm late.

Yrjana Rankka: Sorry I'm late. ←

14:17:10 <Ashok_Malhotra> Close ACTION-13

Close ACTION-13 ←

14:17:10 <trackbot> ACTION-13 Add topic on wiki on LDP vs GSP on home page closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-13 Add topic on wiki on LDP vs GSP on home page closed ←

14:17:14 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page#Linked_Data_Platform_.28LDP.29_vs_SPARQL_Graph_Store_HTTP_Protocol_.28GSP.29

Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page#Linked_Data_Platform_.28LDP.29_vs_SPARQL_Graph_Store_HTTP_Protocol_.28GSP.29 ←

14:17:15 <JohnArwe> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page#Linked_Data_Platform_.28LDP.29_vs_SPARQL_Graph_Store_HTTP_Protocol_.28GSP.29 is the topic; I just updated the action with this link too

John Arwe: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page#Linked_Data_Platform_.28LDP.29_vs_SPARQL_Graph_Store_HTTP_Protocol_.28GSP.29 is the topic; I just updated the action with this link too ←

14:17:31 <Ashok_Malhotra> Topic:  Issues

4. Issues

14:18:57 <Ashok_Malhotra> Arnaud explains issue process

Arnaud explains issue process ←

14:19:36 <bblfish> where is the URL for issue-2?

Henry Story: where is the URL for ISSUE-2? ←

14:19:45 <JohnArwe> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/2

John Arwe: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/2 ←

14:20:05 <Ashok_Malhotra> Andy: Issue-2 asks whether LDP will address versioning

Andy Seaborne: ISSUE-2 asks whether LDP will address versioning ←

14:20:11 <JohnArwe> (the agenda page has various links to the issues/actions lists)

John Arwe: (the agenda page has various links to the issues/actions lists) ←

14:20:45 <Ashok_Malhotra> Arnaud:  Keep it open

Arnaud Le Hors: Keep it open ←

14:20:49 <bblfish> +1 for use case

Henry Story: +1 for use case ←

14:21:03 <Ashok_Malhotra> Andy:  Need use cases and scenarios

Andy Seaborne: Need use cases and scenarios ←

14:21:29 <Ashok_Malhotra> Arnaud:  Andy can you provide a usecase

Arnaud Le Hors: Andy can you provide a usecase ←

14:22:05 <Ashok_Malhotra> ACTION Andy to provide usecase for Issue-2

ACTION Andy to provide usecase for ISSUE-2 ←

14:22:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-15 - Provide usecase for Issue-2 [on Andy Seaborne - due 2012-10-01].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-15 - Provide usecase for ISSUE-2 [on Andy Seaborne - due 2012-10-01]. ←

14:22:16 <Ashok_Malhotra> Issue 2 is opened

ISSUE-2 is opened ←

14:22:26 <Ashok_Malhotra> Issue 3 is opened

ISSUE-3 is opened ←

14:25:24 <Ashok_Malhotra> Discussion on Issue 5

Discussion on ISSUE-5 ←

14:25:43 <Ashok_Malhotra> Yves:  WG can decided to put explanatory text in Wiki

Yves Lafon: WG can decided to put explanatory text in Wiki ←

14:25:50 <dret> q+

Erik Wilde: q+ ←

14:25:55 <JohnArwe> positioning "feels" more like wiki content to me... GSP etc will evolve, moving targets, easier to update if outside of spec

John Arwe: positioning "feels" more like wiki content to me... GSP etc will evolve, moving targets, easier to update if outside of spec ←

14:26:20 <SteveS> agree with wiki or WG Note if it gets more content

Steve Speicher: agree with wiki or WG Note if it gets more content ←

14:26:38 <Ashok_Malhotra> Yves:  We can even add a pointer from the WG home page

Yves Lafon: We can even add a pointer from the WG home page ←

14:26:45 <JohnArwe> +1 having spec point to wiki for positioning

John Arwe: +1 having spec point to wiki for positioning ←

14:26:50 <Yves> FAQ entry

Yves Lafon: FAQ entry ←

14:27:01 <Ashok_Malhotra> q+

q+ ←

14:27:46 <Arnaud> ack dret

Arnaud Le Hors: ack dret ←

14:27:48 <AndyS> ack dret

Andy Seaborne: ack dret ←

14:27:52 <Arnaud> ack Ashok

Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok ←

14:28:01 <stevebattle> q+

Steve Battle: q+ ←

14:28:03 <dret> q-

Erik Wilde: q- ←

14:28:14 <dret> q+

Erik Wilde: q+ ←

14:28:27 <Arnaud> ack steve

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steve ←

14:28:44 <stevebattle> q-

Steve Battle: q- ←

14:28:49 <Ashok_Malhotra> Ashok:  We could ask Schema WG if they have any thoughts on this

Ashok Malhotra: We could ask Schema WG if they have any thoughts on this ←

14:29:12 <SteveS> +1 for moving ISSUE-6 to open, as was going to raise as well based on previous feedback/discussion with bblfish

Steve Speicher: +1 for moving ISSUE-6 to open, as was going to raise as well based on previous feedback/discussion with bblfish ←

14:29:22 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-xsch-datatypes/  (XML Schema Datatypes in RDF and OWL)

Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-xsch-datatypes/ (XML Schema Datatypes in RDF and OWL) ←

14:29:47 <Ashok_Malhotra> Discussion on linking emails to issues

Discussion on linking emails to issues ←

14:30:30 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←

14:30:35 <Ashok_Malhotra> Yves:  The bot should take care of it

Yves Lafon: The bot should take care of it ←

14:30:53 <Ashok_Malhotra> Eric:  Should have issue in title

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Should have issue in title ←

14:31:58 <dret> q-

Erik Wilde: q- ←

14:32:07 <Ashok_Malhotra> Open Issue-6

Open ISSUE-6 ←

14:32:12 <JohnArwe> NP keeping the issue open, not sure I'd read LDBP to prohibit the use of user-defined data types (as an extension).  I thought it said only define specs in terms of a relatively small set of types that "everyone" should be able to support using OTS parts.

John Arwe: NP keeping the issue open, not sure I'd read LDBP to prohibit the use of user-defined data types (as an extension). I thought it said only define specs in terms of a relatively small set of types that "everyone" should be able to support using OTS parts. ←

14:32:32 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←

14:32:40 <JohnArwe> ... User-defined types could still be annotated through additional rdf:type predicates.

John Arwe: ... User-defined types could still be annotated through additional rdf:type predicates. ←

14:32:50 <Ashok_Malhotra> Topic:  Use Cases and Requirements

5. Use Cases and Requirements

14:33:41 <bblfish> Don't think you can use rdf:type for datatypes.

Henry Story: Don't think you can use rdf:type for datatypes. ←

14:33:51 <bblfish> A datatype is a function from a literal to a thing.

Henry Story: A datatype is a function from a literal to a thing. ←

14:34:06 <Ashok_Malhotra> SteveBattle:  Will add usecases in 2 weeks and create editors draft just ahead of the meeting

Steve Battle: Will add usecases in 2 weeks and create editors draft just ahead of the meeting ←

14:34:06 <bblfish>  xsd:Int("2") = 2

Henry Story: xsd:Int("2") = 2 ←

14:34:16 <JohnArwe> ah ... "only" ... limiting, yes

John Arwe: ah ... "only" ... limiting, yes ←

14:34:59 <Ashok_Malhotra> ... and add any issues raised to tracker by Oct 8

... and add any issues raised to tracker by Oct 8 ←

14:35:04 <bblfish>  xsd:hexBinary("ad3") = xsd:int("2771") = 2771

Henry Story: xsd:hexBinary("ad3") = xsd:int("2771") = 2771 ←

14:35:22 <bblfish> that would be completely different from saying "ad3" is a HexBinary.

Henry Story: that would be completely different from saying "ad3" is a HexBinary. ←

14:36:34 <JohnArwe> @bblfish: parse error ;-)

John Arwe: @bblfish: parse error ;-) ←

14:37:03 <bblfish> using the usual functional notation

Henry Story: using the usual functional notation ←

14:37:10 <Ashok_Malhotra> Discussion on coordination between editors on Usecases document

Discussion on coordination between editors on Usecases document ←

14:37:44 <bblfish> "ad3"^^xsd:hexBinary  is a function from strings to ( heu, binaries not numbers, so true my above example was wrong )

Henry Story: "ad3"^^xsd:hexBinary is a function from strings to ( heu, binaries not numbers, so true my above example was wrong ) ←

14:37:57 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←

<Ashok_Malhotra> Topic: Namespace and shortname to be used in spec

6. Namespace and shortname to be used in spec

14:38:39 <oberger> +1 for shortname 'ldbp'

Olivier Berger: +1 for shortname 'ldbp' ←

14:38:59 <sandro> no required connection between specs and namespaces.

Sandro Hawke: no required connection between specs and namespaces. ←

14:39:13 <bblfish> you need a name for the ontology too right?

Henry Story: you need a name for the ontology too right? ←

14:39:14 <Yves>  use http://www.w3.org/2012/09/<cute name> until is stabilize

Yves Lafon: use http://www.w3.org/2012/09/<cute name> until is stabilize ←

14:39:28 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/ns/ldp

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/ns/ldp ←

14:39:57 <Ashok_Malhotra> Discussion of document URIs

Discussion of document URIs ←

14:40:05 <oberger> http://www.w3.org/ns/ldbp ?

Olivier Berger: http://www.w3.org/ns/ldbp ? ←

14:40:44 <SteveS> +1 to going with /ns/ now with appropriate "draft" disclaimer

Steve Speicher: +1 to going with /ns/ now with appropriate "draft" disclaimer ←

14:40:55 <AndyS> Have has a dated URI ever been updated? (successfully)

Andy Seaborne: Have has a dated URI ever been updated? (successfully) ←

14:41:14 <bblfish> It depends a bit how much you think it is going to change

Henry Story: It depends a bit how much you think it is going to change ←

14:41:50 <bblfish> can one have a redirect from one namespace to another?

Henry Story: can one have a redirect from one namespace to another? ←

14:42:12 <stevebattle> I prefer LDP over LDBP.

Steve Battle: I prefer LDP over LDBP. ←

14:42:16 <dret> nope, renaming them does not exist as a concept.

Erik Wilde: nope, renaming them does not exist as a concept. ←

14:42:32 <Ashok_Malhotra> +1 to LDP

+1 to LDP ←

14:43:34 <bblfish> what's the b for?

Henry Story: what's the b for? ←

14:43:40 <bblfish> ah basic

Henry Story: ah basic ←

14:43:52 <bblfish> is this for the ontology btw?

Henry Story: is this for the ontology btw? ←

14:44:10 <SteveS> LDP => Linked Data Platform (our WG name), LDBP => Linked Data Basic Profile (member submission name)

Steve Speicher: LDP => Linked Data Platform (our WG name), LDBP => Linked Data Core Profile (member submission name) ←

14:44:13 <oberger> basic profile doesn't convey anything for me

Olivier Berger: basic profile doesn't convey anything for me ←

14:44:18 <ahaller2> +1 to LDP

Armin Haller: +1 to LDP ←

14:44:31 <svillata> +1 to LDP

Serena Villata: +1 to LDP ←

14:44:35 <oberger> user profile ?

Olivier Berger: user profile ? ←

14:45:01 <oberger> like BPR or BPC isn't easily identifiable to Linked Data Resource

Olivier Berger: like BPR or BPC isn't easily identifiable to Linked Data Resource ←

14:45:07 <dret> think arnaud is right: we might have more than one spec, so just "using up" our WG name may be a bit premature

Erik Wilde: think arnaud is right: we might have more than one spec, so just "using up" our WG name may be a bit premature ←

14:45:14 <MacTed> +1 LDP   if "basic" is needed we could go /ns/ldp-basic or /ns/ldp/basic or some such

Ted Thibodeau: +1 LDP if "basic" is needed we could go /ns/ldp-basic or /ns/ldp/basic or some such ←

14:46:30 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←

14:46:55 <Ashok_Malhotra> Arnaud:  People seem to favor LDP for shortname

Arnaud Le Hors: People seem to favor LDP for shortname ←

14:47:15 <bblfish> you could have ldp/basic

Henry Story: you could have ldp/basic ←

14:47:18 <bblfish> ldp/advanced

Henry Story: ldp/advanced ←

14:47:30 <bblfish> ldp/maddeninglyComplex

Henry Story: ldp/maddeninglyComplex ←

14:47:33 <oberger> Linux Documentation Project

Olivier Berger: Linux Documentation Project ←

14:47:35 <oberger> ;-)

Olivier Berger: ;-) ←

14:47:36 <bblfish> ldp/ont/

Henry Story: ldp/ont/ ←

14:47:50 <ericP> don't forget about ETLAs

Eric Prud'hommeaux: don't forget about ETLAs ←

14:47:59 <sandro> The Linux Documentation Project

Sandro Hawke: The Linux Documentation Project ←

14:48:05 <bblfish> well ldp, is going to replace the Linux Documentation project ;-)

Henry Story: well ldp, is going to replace the Linux Documentation project ;-) ←

14:48:22 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: use ldp for namespace name

STRAWPOLL: use ldp for namespace name ←

14:48:24 <sandro> +1 ldp

Sandro Hawke: +1 ldp ←

14:48:28 <ericP> +1 to ldp

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 to ldp ←

14:48:29 <jkopecky> +1 LDP

Jacek Kopecky: +1 LDP ←

14:48:32 <stevebattle> +1 ldp

Steve Battle: +1 ldp ←

14:48:32 <oberger> so how do we name BPRs and BPCs ?

Olivier Berger: so how do we name BPRs and BPCs ? ←

14:48:34 <bblfish> Liberal Democrat Party

Henry Story: Liberal Democrat Party ←

14:48:39 <Yves> ~0

Yves Lafon: ~0 ←

14:48:56 <dret> zero objections

Erik Wilde: zero objections ←

14:48:58 <bblfish> Lucky Duck Productions

Henry Story: Lucky Duck Productions ←

14:49:02 <SteveS> no objection

Steve Speicher: no objection ←

14:49:29 <sandro> +1 ns/ldp

Sandro Hawke: +1 ns/ldp ←

14:49:37 <Ashok_Malhotra> RESOLUTION: use ldp for namespace name

RESOLVED: use ldp for namespace name ←

14:49:40 <SteveS> jkopecky: not a bad suggestion

Jacek Kopecky: not a bad suggestion [ Scribe Assist by Steve Speicher ] ←

14:49:48 <stevebattle>  "/ns/ldp/bpr" "/ns/ldp/bpc" ?

Steve Battle: "/ns/ldp/bpr" "/ns/ldp/bpc" ? ←

14:49:55 <JohnArwe> * too bad there's a D in there, LP would be great for the (Monty Python reference warning) Looney Party

John Arwe: * too bad there's a D in there, LP would be great for the (Monty Python reference warning) Looney Party ←

14:50:17 <jkopecky> (ldp) basic resource, (ldp) basic collection

Jacek Kopecky: (ldp) basic resource, (ldp) basic collection ←

14:50:26 <jkopecky> ldp/br ldp/bc

Jacek Kopecky: ldp/br ldp/bc ←

14:50:49 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←

14:51:00 <oberger> LDBR and LDBC

Olivier Berger: LDBR and LDBC ←

14:51:08 <oberger> (container / collection ?)

Olivier Berger: (container / collection ?) ←

14:51:29 <oberger> s/Basic/Core/ ?
14:52:10 <SteveS> oberger and jkopecky I have opinions and some history why things like container were used, trying to listen to discussion though

Steve Speicher: oberger and jkopecky I have opinions and some history why things like container were used, trying to listen to discussion though ←

14:52:44 <bblfish> I think for the ontology it makes sense to have a stable namespace

Henry Story: I think for the ontology it makes sense to have a stable namespace ←

14:52:56 <stevebattle> +1 undated /ns/

Steve Battle: +1 undated /ns/ ←

14:53:36 <sandro> Arnaud: If anyone supports using a dated URL for development, please speak up and argue for it....

Arnaud Le Hors: If anyone supports using a dated URL for development, please speak up and argue for it.... [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

14:54:00 <JohnArwe> aside from adding a dollop of work on all document owners (editor of specs, test cases) to make One More Change at some future date, what's the Advantage of changing dated ns's?

John Arwe: aside from adding a dollop of work on all document owners (editor of specs, test cases) to make One More Change at some future date, what's the Advantage of changing dated ns's? ←

14:54:06 <Ashok_Malhotra> Eric:  Re. document URIs ... we don't yet know how the material will be factored out

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Re. document URIs ... we don't yet know how the material will be factored out ←

14:55:03 <sandro> sandro: I think it's okay to use LDP for now and if we change our mind later on, that's okay.   Leave /ns/ldp as *unused* if we are done with it.

Sandro Hawke: I think it's okay to use LDP for now and if we change our mind later on, that's okay. Leave /ns/ldp as *unused* if we are done with it. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

14:55:05 <oberger> is anyone implementing really ?

Olivier Berger: is anyone implementing really ? ←

14:55:13 <MacTed> real placeholders should be example.com/ns/...

Ted Thibodeau: real placeholders should be example.com/ns/... ←

14:56:41 <oberger> \o/

Olivier Berger: \o/ ←

14:56:53 <bblfish> the WebID cert ontology is in ns http://www.w3.org/ns/auth/cert#

Henry Story: the WebID cert ontology is in ns http://www.w3.org/ns/auth/cert# ←

14:57:06 <bblfish> and we chnaged it a bit - removing some terms, adding others

Henry Story: and we chnaged it a bit - removing some terms, adding others ←

14:57:21 <SteveS> +1 for /ns/ldp/

Steve Speicher: +1 for /ns/ldp/ ←

14:57:33 <sandro> action: eric to confirm with W3C director that if we use /ns/ldp now, we'll be allowed to change to a different /ns/ later if there's a good reason.

ACTION: eric to confirm with W3C director that if we use /ns/ldp now, we'll be allowed to change to a different /ns/ later if there's a good reason. ←

14:57:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Confirm with W3C director that if we use /ns/ldp now, we'll be allowed to change to a different /ns/ later if there's a good reason. [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2012-10-01].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-16 - Confirm with W3C director that if we use /ns/ldp now, we'll be allowed to change to a different /ns/ later if there's a good reason. [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2012-10-01]. ←

14:57:56 <stevebattle> I note that Eric's recent issue-6 test email has not been added as a related email yet.

Steve Battle: I note that Eric's recent ISSUE-6 test email has not been added as a related email yet. ←

14:58:32 <Ashok_Malhotra> Arnaud:  AOB?

Arnaud Le Hors: AOB? ←

14:58:34 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←

14:58:48 <Ashok_Malhotra> MEETING ADJOURNED

MEETING ADJOURNED ←

14:58:50 <ghard> Cheers

Yrjana Rankka: Cheers ←

14:58:59 <Zakim> -JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: -JohnArwe ←

14:59:01 <Zakim> -RogerMenday

Zakim IRC Bot: -RogerMenday ←

14:59:04 <dret> thanks ashok, thanks arnaud!

Erik Wilde: thanks ashok, thanks arnaud! ←

14:59:06 <Zakim> -Ruben

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ruben ←

14:59:10 <Zakim> -kalpa

Zakim IRC Bot: -kalpa ←

14:59:12 <Zakim> -dret

Zakim IRC Bot: -dret ←

14:59:15 <oberger> bye all

Olivier Berger: bye all ←

14:59:17 <Zakim> -ghard

Zakim IRC Bot: -ghard ←

14:59:19 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←

14:59:20 <Zakim> -stevebattle

Zakim IRC Bot: -stevebattle ←

14:59:20 <Zakim> -SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS ←

14:59:21 <Zakim> -MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←

14:59:23 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←

14:59:25 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←

14:59:27 <Zakim> -jkopecky

Zakim IRC Bot: -jkopecky ←

14:59:29 <Zakim> -Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: -Yves ←

14:59:31 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←

14:59:33 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←

14:59:35 <Zakim> -ahaller2

Zakim IRC Bot: -ahaller2 ←

14:59:37 <Zakim> -bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish ←

14:59:43 <Zakim> -oberger

Zakim IRC Bot: -oberger ←

14:59:49 <Zakim> -svillata

Zakim IRC Bot: -svillata ←

14:59:51 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended ←

14:59:53 <Zakim> Attendees were stevebattle, Sandro, Arnaud, Ruben, svillata, Ashok_Malhotra, ericP, bblfish, dret, ahaller2, MacTed, AndyS, SteveS, oberger, jkopecky, +44.208.573.aabb, JohnArwe,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were stevebattle, Sandro, Arnaud, Ruben, svillata, Ashok_Malhotra, ericP, bblfish, dret, ahaller2, MacTed, AndyS, SteveS, oberger, jkopecky, +44.208.573.aabb, JohnArwe, ←

14:59:56 <Zakim> ... RogerMenday, Yves, +1.937.279.aacc, kalpa, ghard

Zakim IRC Bot: ... RogerMenday, Yves, +1.937.279.aacc, kalpa, ghard ←



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