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14:01:03 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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14:01:04 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started
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14:01:04 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:01:04 <trackbot> Date: 17 September 2012
14:01:07 <Zakim> +JohnArwe
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14:01:09 <Ruben> Zakim, who is here?
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14:01:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P6, dret, [IBM], +329331aaaa, ??P13, Arnaud, JohnArwe
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14:01:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see rgarcia, Zakim, RRSAgent, JohnArwe, svillata, Ashok_Malhotra, Ruben, krp, nmihindu, dret, ahaller2, kalpa, Arnaud, antonis, BartvanLeeuwen, betehess, SteveS,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see rgarcia, Zakim, RRSAgent, JohnArwe, svillata, Ashok_Malhotra, Ruben, krp, nmihindu, dret, ahaller2, kalpa, Arnaud, antonis, BartvanLeeuwen, betehess, SteveS, ←
14:01:25 <Zakim> ... stevebattle, oberger, bblfish, ericP, trackbot, Yves, sandro
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14:01:31 <Zakim> +Sandro
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14:01:33 <Ruben> Zakim, aaaa is me
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14:01:41 <Zakim> +bblfish
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14:01:45 <Zakim> +Ruben; got it
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14:01:55 <SteveS> Zakim, [IBM] is me
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14:01:57 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
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14:02:09 <Ruben> zakim, who's here?
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14:02:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P6, dret, SteveS, Ruben, ??P13, Arnaud, JohnArwe, Sandro, bblfish
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14:02:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see MacTed, rgarcia, Zakim, RRSAgent, JohnArwe, svillata, Ashok_Malhotra, Ruben, krp, nmihindu, dret, ahaller2, kalpa, Arnaud, antonis, BartvanLeeuwen, betehess, SteveS,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see MacTed, rgarcia, Zakim, RRSAgent, JohnArwe, svillata, Ashok_Malhotra, Ruben, krp, nmihindu, dret, ahaller2, kalpa, Arnaud, antonis, BartvanLeeuwen, betehess, SteveS, ←
14:02:14 <Zakim> ... stevebattle, oberger, bblfish, ericP, trackbot, Yves, sandro
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14:02:18 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
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14:02:20 <antonis> zakim, ??p6 is me
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14:02:24 <Zakim> +antonis; got it
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14:02:29 <Zakim> +??P12
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14:02:37 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p12 is me
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14:02:37 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
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14:02:38 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:03:17 <Zakim> + +1.512.433.aabb
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14:03:38 <rgarcia> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
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14:03:38 <Zakim> +rgarcia; got it
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14:03:45 <krp> zakim, ??P13 is me
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14:03:45 <Zakim> +krp; got it
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14:03:59 <Zakim> + +44.117.370.aacc
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14:04:22 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
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14:04:27 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
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14:04:27 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
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14:04:29 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
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14:04:29 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
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14:04:40 <stevebattle> zakim, +44.117.370.aacc is me
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14:04:40 <Zakim> +stevebattle; got it
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14:04:51 <Ruben> Zakim, mute me
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14:04:51 <Zakim> Ruben should now be muted
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14:07:17 <bblfish> hi
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14:07:26 <Zakim> +??P27
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14:07:43 <Zakim> +Yves
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14:08:15 <Ruben> Zakim, who is noisy?
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14:08:18 <svillata> Zackin, ??P27 is me
Serena Villata: Zackin, ??P27 is me ←
14:08:29 <Zakim> Ruben, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (5%), bblfish (4%), Arnaud (22%), ??P27 (8%)
Zakim IRC Bot: Ruben, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (5%), bblfish (4%), Arnaud (22%), ??P27 (8%) ←
14:08:41 <svillata> Zakin, ??P27 is me
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14:08:56 <svillata> Zakim, ??P27 is me
Serena Villata: Zakim, ??P27 is me ←
14:08:56 <Zakim> +svillata; got it
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14:10:33 <Zakim> +ericP
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14:10:36 <JohnArwe> scribe: johnarwe
(Scribe set to John Arwe)
14:11:16 <JohnArwe> arnaud: approval of minutes from last week
Arnaud Le Hors: approval of minutes from last week ←
14:11:30 <SteveS> +1 on minutes from Sept 10
Steve Speicher: +1 on minutes from Sept 10 ←
14:11:37 <JohnArwe> ...objections to approving as stated?
...objections to approving as stated? ←
14:11:46 <Yves> +1
Yves Lafon: +1 ←
14:11:49 <JohnArwe> approved w/o objection
approved w/o objection ←
14:12:14 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:12:32 <JohnArwe> arnaud: update wiki page with F2F attendance/not
Arnaud Le Hors: update wiki page with F2F attendance/not ←
14:12:53 <bblfish> I added myself and paid.
Henry Story: I added myself and paid. ←
14:13:24 <bblfish> q-
Henry Story: q- ←
14:13:27 <JohnArwe> arnaud: room size based on registered attendees, so in our interest to pre-reg
Arnaud Le Hors: room size based on registered attendees, so in our interest to pre-reg ←
14:13:49 <JohnArwe> topic: action items
14:14:22 <JohnArwe> arnaud: last week closed issue on serialization, created action on editors to draft as decided
Arnaud Le Hors: last week closed issue on serialization, created action on editors to draft as decided ←
14:14:32 <JohnArwe> ...no open issues.
...no open issues. ←
14:14:56 <JohnArwe> topic: sparql graph store protocol, overview by steve speicer
14:15:11 <JohnArwe> s/speicer/speicher/
14:15:42 <Zakim> -ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←
14:16:05 <JohnArwe> steves: expose graph store via http protocol
Steve Speicher: expose graph store via http protocol ←
14:16:21 <JohnArwe> ... stated goals different
... stated goals different ←
14:16:26 <Zakim> +ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP ←
14:16:43 <JohnArwe> ... difficult to align if one starts from stated goals
... difficult to align if one starts from stated goals ←
14:17:28 <JohnArwe> ... OTOH, based on submission, possible that LDP impls could use graph stores as back end(s)
... OTOH, based on submission, possible that LDP impls could use graph stores as back end(s) ←
14:18:09 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas ←
14:18:28 <JohnArwe> ... GSP requires 1 of 3 formats if request omits Accept header. LDP requires Turtle only, so gap.
... GSP requires 1 of 3 formats if request omits Accept header. LDP requires Turtle only, so gap. ←
14:18:30 <mhausenblas> Michael: Sorry for being late, prev meeting took longer than expected
Michael Hausenblas: Sorry for being late, prev meeting took longer than expected [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←
14:18:45 <bblfish> this I suppose http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-http-rdf-update/
Henry Story: this I suppose http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-http-rdf-update/ ←
14:19:21 <JohnArwe> ... GSP wording of POST says it's a merge, LDP says it depends on the resource - BP resource = undefined, BP container = creating new resource and adding new resource's URI to the container
... GSP wording of POST says it's a merge, LDP says it depends on the resource - BP resource = undefined, BP container = creating new resource and adding new resource's URI to the container ←
14:20:19 <ericP> q+ if squinting would get us test-case compatibility
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ if squinting would get us test-case compatibility ←
14:20:23 <ericP> q+ to ask if squinting would get us test-case compatibility
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to ask if squinting would get us test-case compatibility ←
14:20:30 <JohnArwe> ... POSTing to graph store URI = add new graph to graph store, at uri assigned by GS. No definition of semantics of GET on GS URI.
... POSTing to graph store URI = add new graph to graph store, at uri assigned by GS. No definition of semantics of GET on GS URI. ←
14:20:56 <JohnArwe> ... "squinting" says some similarities at least.
... "squinting" says some similarities at least. ←
14:21:45 <JohnArwe> ericp: sparql WG issue - does saying that POST means append "force the hand" of implementations not claiming to be a GS.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: sparql WG issue - does saying that POST means append "force the hand" of implementations not claiming to be a GS. ←
14:23:55 <JohnArwe> ...e.g. append could be notional, whole bunch of triples show up (new membership in container, new resource) others change (last page != nil). *Could* say that GSP applies to resources created (e.g. asset in submission ex), others LDBP containers, and GSP does not control what happens in LDBP containers. Only way I can see claiming conformance to both in single impl.
...e.g. append could be notional, whole bunch of triples show up (new membership in container, new resource) others change (last page != nil). *Could* say that GSP applies to resources created (e.g. asset in submission ex), others LDBP containers, and GSP does not control what happens in LDBP containers. Only way I can see claiming conformance to both in single impl. ←
14:24:16 <Ashok_Malhotra> q+
Ashok Malhotra: q+ ←
14:24:27 <Arnaud> ack ericp
Arnaud Le Hors: ack ericp ←
14:24:27 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to ask if squinting would get us test-case compatibility
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to ask if squinting would get us test-case compatibility ←
14:24:42 <JohnArwe> who is speaking about sparql impl?
who is speaking about sparql impl? ←
14:24:43 <dret> q+
Erik Wilde: q+ ←
14:24:49 <Arnaud> ack ashok
Arnaud Le Hors: ack ashok ←
14:25:33 <JohnArwe> ashok: should we be thinking about how to align them?
Ashok Malhotra: should we be thinking about how to align them? ←
14:25:47 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
14:25:53 <JohnArwe> ericp: could parameterize GSP, so there's an append type of resource
Eric Prud'hommeaux: could parameterize GSP, so there's an append type of resource ←
14:25:58 <sandro> q+ to talk about procedure
Sandro Hawke: q+ to talk about procedure ←
14:26:50 <JohnArwe> arnaud: GSP is in Last Call, what is sense from WG on whether it is likely to proceed vs WG being eager to make changes, [implication: as alignment might require]?
Arnaud Le Hors: GSP is in Last Call, what is sense from WG on whether it is likely to proceed vs WG being eager to make changes, [implication: as alignment might require]? ←
14:28:05 <Arnaud> ack dret
Arnaud Le Hors: ack dret ←
14:28:07 <JohnArwe> ericp: no time to waste, expect Rec by end of year. WG added language to narrow scope down to SPARQL only, not general HTTP access to RDF. If LDP WG thinks GSP is harmful to the Web, LDP would have to object. Spec might well die if that happened.
Sandro Hawke: no time to waste, expect Rec by end of year. WG added language to narrow scope down to SPARQL only, not general HTTP access to RDF. If LDP WG thinks GSP is harmful to the Web, LDP would have to object. Spec might well die if that happened. ←
14:28:10 <sandro> q-
Sandro Hawke: q- ←
14:28:24 <ericP> s/ericp:/sandro:/
14:29:23 <ericP> q+ to talk about sparql service description
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to talk about sparql service description ←
14:29:56 <JohnArwe> dret: any problem separating them cleanly from a rest perspective, so an implementation could offer one link for each protocol? that the way to do it from REST perspective. "Home" resource, "dispatch" with 1 link for GSP, 1 for LDP.
Erik Wilde: any problem separating them cleanly from a rest perspective, so an implementation could offer one link for each protocol? that the way to do it from REST perspective. "Home" resource, "dispatch" with 1 link for GSP, 1 for LDP. ←
14:29:57 <Arnaud> ack ericp
Arnaud Le Hors: ack ericp ←
14:29:57 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to talk about sparql service description
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to talk about sparql service description ←
14:29:58 <bblfish> q+ on home page
Henry Story: q+ on home page ←
14:30:01 <JohnArwe> sandro: could work
Sandro Hawke: could work ←
14:30:13 <SteveS> q+
Steve Speicher: q+ ←
14:31:11 <JohnArwe> ericp: service desc could differentiate the resources it owns/manages. Not sure if I can say I have a GS if only some of its resources adhere to GSP.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: service desc could differentiate the resources it owns/manages. Not sure if I can say I have a GS if only some of its resources adhere to GSP. ←
14:31:11 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:31:11 <Zakim> bblfish, you wanted to comment on home page
Zakim IRC Bot: bblfish, you wanted to comment on home page ←
14:31:16 <cygri> zakim, i'm with mhausenblas
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, i'm with mhausenblas ←
14:31:16 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
14:31:28 <dret> general home document work: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nottingham-json-home/ (probably will be extended to cover XML as well)
Erik Wilde: general home document work: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nottingham-json-home/ (probably will be extended to cover XML as well) ←
14:32:37 <Zakim> - +1.512.433.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.512.433.aabb ←
14:32:40 <JohnArwe> bblfish: (henry story) home page work reminds one of atom's service page discussion, resource should describe itself.
Henry Story: (henry story) home page work reminds one of atom's service page discussion, resource should describe itself. ←
14:33:01 <JohnArwe> sandro: that is how sparql serv desc works, but that only applies to sparql endpt not to member resources
Sandro Hawke: that is how sparql serv desc works, but that only applies to sparql endpt not to member resources ←
14:33:15 <JohnArwe> henry: link header for metadata?
Henry Story: link header for metadata? ←
14:33:50 <dret> Atom(Pub) can use 'service' links so that any interaction with a Atom feed or entry can link to the AtomPub service document.
Erik Wilde: Atom(Pub) can use 'service' links so that any interaction with a Atom feed or entry can link to the AtomPub service document. ←
14:33:52 <Arnaud> ack steves
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves ←
14:34:11 <JohnArwe> sandro: would work, no one mandating it tho. sparql WG chose not to define that, they wanted something simple and this aspect was an add-on they had little experience with, not core to their work.
Sandro Hawke: would work, no one mandating it tho. sparql WG chose not to define that, they wanted something simple and this aspect was an add-on they had little experience with, not core to their work. ←
14:35:03 <dret> resources could link to both service documents, if they are served by a container implementing two access models. clients then could choose which one to follow.
Erik Wilde: resources could link to both service documents, if they are served by a container implementing two access models. clients then could choose which one to follow. ←
14:36:53 <sandro> technical solution could just be providing RDF type information for the resource, using an HTTP Link header with an rdf:type property.
Sandro Hawke: technical solution could just be providing RDF type information for the resource, using an HTTP Link header with an rdf:type property. ←
14:36:55 <JohnArwe> steves: LDP container proposal was one of several. did discuss link header(s) too, open if we wanted to change it. not sure what it would look like if mixed with GSP. Could highlight as indep way to access same resources, could define a mapping from LDP to GSP, could make some changes in LDP spec to improve alignment, perhaps recommend how POST works if an impl wants to offer both protocols.
Steve Speicher: LDP container proposal was one of several. did discuss link header(s) too, open if we wanted to change it. not sure what it would look like if mixed with GSP. Could highlight as indep way to access same resources, could define a mapping from LDP to GSP, could make some changes in LDP spec to improve alignment, perhaps recommend how POST works if an impl wants to offer both protocols. ←
14:37:20 <JohnArwe> sandro: this WG could suggest they add headers/whatever, w/in LDP's scope
Sandro Hawke: this WG could suggest they add headers/whatever, w/in LDP's scope ←
14:37:46 <JohnArwe> arnaud: any opinions on whether or not LDP should make any comments on GSP?
Arnaud Le Hors: any opinions on whether or not LDP should make any comments on GSP? ←
14:38:14 <sandro> AndyS, you here?
Sandro Hawke: AndyS, you here? ←
14:38:15 <bblfish> perhaps we should leave this issue open. I need to look at it more carefully myself ot understand the issue
Henry Story: perhaps we should leave this issue open. I need to look at it more carefully myself to understand the issue ←
14:38:42 <JohnArwe> sandro: no strong need to hold GSP up
Sandro Hawke: no strong need to hold GSP up ←
14:38:52 <JohnArwe> ...others might see such a need, if so should speak up
...others might see such a need, if so should speak up ←
14:39:02 <Zakim> -ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←
14:39:03 <JohnArwe> steves: no reason to hold them up
Steve Speicher: no reason to hold them up ←
14:39:16 <bblfish> perhaps just put a summary on the wiki
Henry Story: perhaps just put a summary on the wiki ←
14:39:19 <bblfish> so we can refer to it
Henry Story: so we can refer to it ←
14:39:31 <Zakim> +ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP ←
14:39:34 <JohnArwe> arnaud: thanks steve for investigating. fulfilled your part.
Arnaud Le Hors: thanks steve for investigating. fulfilled your part. ←
14:40:26 <JohnArwe> s/ ot / to /
14:40:57 <JohnArwe> action: arnaud to add topic on wiki on LDP vs GSP on home page
ACTION: arnaud to add topic on wiki on LDP vs GSP on home page ←
14:40:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - Add topic on wiki on LDP vs GSP on home page [on Arnaud Le Hors - due 2012-09-24].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-13 - Add topic on wiki on LDP vs GSP on home page [on Arnaud Le Hors - due 2012-09-24]. ←
14:41:06 <bblfish> wow ACTION 13 :-)
Henry Story: wow ACTION-13 :-) ←
14:41:22 <JohnArwe> * touch typists are dangerous ;-)
* touch typists are dangerous ;-) ←
14:41:47 <JohnArwe> trackbot, close action-4
14:41:47 <trackbot> ACTION-4 Review SPARQL Graph Store Protocol and suggest how we should move forward with it closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-4 Review SPARQL Graph Store Protocol and suggest how we should move forward with it closed ←
14:42:11 <JohnArwe> bblfish: consent to close action, can always re-open later if new material comes up
Henry Story: consent to close action, can always re-open later if new material comes up ←
14:42:32 <JohnArwe> topic: use case document
14:42:59 <JohnArwe> mike and ram working on document
mike and ram working on document ←
14:43:05 <JohnArwe> topic: spec draft
14:43:36 <JohnArwe> steves: working on tool setup, pretty much done. will not make any changes aside from things required to fit it into the template.
Steve Speicher: working on tool setup, pretty much done. will not make any changes aside from things required to fit it into the template. ←
14:43:57 <JohnArwe> arnaud: you reviewed timeline, ok with it?
Arnaud Le Hors: you reviewed timeline, ok with it? ←
14:44:00 <JohnArwe> steves: y
Steve Speicher: y ←
14:44:14 <JohnArwe> topic: WG time line
14:45:46 <mhausenblas> +1 to the timeline
Michael Hausenblas: +1 to the timeline ←
14:45:47 <dret> i will add it to the wiki
Erik Wilde: i will add it to the wiki ←
14:45:53 <JohnArwe> arnaud: chairs took action last time to create time line, went through the right to left schedule exercise, posted.
Arnaud Le Hors: chairs took action last time to create time line, went through the right to left schedule exercise, posted. ←
14:45:59 <JohnArwe> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page#Timeline
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page#Timeline ←
14:46:19 <dret> give me a minute, i'll update it now that we have approved it
Erik Wilde: give me a minute, i'll update it now that we have approved it ←
14:46:19 <JohnArwe> need to update that link
need to update that link ←
14:46:54 <JohnArwe> steves: tracker is not linking in email activity, e.g. on 11 I do not see discussion threads. is that a setup problem?
Steve Speicher: tracker is not linking in email activity, e.g. on 11 I do not see discussion threads. is that a setup problem? ←
14:48:10 <JohnArwe> trackbot, close action-11
14:48:10 <trackbot> ACTION-11 Define a timeline for working on the editor's draft and the FPWD (chairs action, i.e. Arnaud and dret) closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-11 Define a timeline for working on the editor's draft and the FPWD (chairs action, i.e. Arnaud and dret) closed ←
14:48:53 <JohnArwe> action on yves to Look at tracker config to ensure when an issue is mentioned in an email that the action is updated with the email thread.
action on yves to Look at tracker config to ensure when an issue is mentioned in an email that the action is updated with the email thread. ←
14:48:53 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - on
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - on ←
14:49:08 <JohnArwe> action yves to Look at tracker config to ensure when an issue is mentioned in an email that the action is updated with the email thread.
action yves to Look at tracker config to ensure when an issue is mentioned in an email that the action is updated with the email thread. ←
14:49:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Look at tracker config to ensure when an issue is mentioned in an email that the action is updated with the email thread. [on Yves Lafon - due 2012-09-24].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-14 - Look at tracker config to ensure when an issue is mentioned in an email that the action is updated with the email thread. [on Yves Lafon - due 2012-09-24]. ←
14:49:51 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
14:50:16 <JohnArwe> topic: back to use cases and requirements document
14:50:43 <JohnArwe> arnaud: steve battle on today; WG looked at content as of last week, liked direction
Arnaud Le Hors: steve battle on today; WG looked at content as of last week, liked direction ←
14:51:20 <bblfish> do we have a link?
Henry Story: do we have a link? ←
14:51:46 <JohnArwe> battle: got some feedback from steves, working on terminology consistency, took first user story (social contact infor), extracted use case (GET), raised some issues
Steve Battle: got some feedback from steves, working on terminology consistency, took first user story (social contact infor), extracted use case (GET), raised some issues ←
14:51:54 <Arnaud> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements
Arnaud Le Hors: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements ←
14:52:12 <bblfish> perhaps this in particular: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements#Use_Cases ?
Henry Story: perhaps this in particular: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements#Use_Cases ? ←
14:52:26 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←
14:52:44 <dret> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page#Timeline is updated now (ACTION-11)
Erik Wilde: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page#Timeline is updated now (ACTION-11) ←
14:52:57 <JohnArwe> battle: need to clarify if resources are things or representations of things, i.e. do we need 303 redirect or not
Steve Battle: need to clarify if resources are things or representations of things, i.e. do we need 303 redirect or not ←
14:53:22 <Zakim> -ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←
14:53:53 <JohnArwe> arnaud: as you work on doc, as you see issues, please raise them into tracker system (best) or email list.
Arnaud Le Hors: as you work on doc, as you see issues, please raise them into tracker system (best) or email list. ←
14:54:00 <Zakim> +ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP ←
14:54:10 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen
Zakim IRC Bot: -BartvanLeeuwen ←
14:54:39 <dret> if there's no discussion on the email list, then we see them during the call and will address them in the meeting.
Erik Wilde: if there's no discussion on the email list, then we see open issues and actions during the call and will address open issues and actions in the meeting. ←
14:55:07 <dret> s/them/open issues and actions/
14:56:02 <JohnArwe> arnaud: unrealistic perhaps to have public working draft by end of Oct for f2f, but would like at least an editor's draft.
Arnaud Le Hors: unrealistic perhaps to have public working draft by end of Oct for f2f, but would like at least an editor's draft. ←
14:56:13 <JohnArwe> battle: imp thing is to label/number use cases
Steve Battle: imp thing is to label/number use cases ←
14:56:20 <bblfish> q+ on TPAC question
Henry Story: q+ on TPAC question ←
14:56:35 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:56:35 <Zakim> bblfish, you wanted to comment on TPAC question
Zakim IRC Bot: bblfish, you wanted to comment on TPAC question ←
14:58:06 <bblfish> bblfish: yes, call for sponsorship for WebID and RWW Community group for 1 day $1000
Henry Story: yes, call for sponsorship for WebID and RWW Community group for 1 day $1000 [ Scribe Assist by Henry Story ] ←
14:59:03 <Zakim> -ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←
14:59:36 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
14:59:51 <SteveS> When will our TPAC agenda be drafted/set? Be good to reserve time for UCR finalizing and spec issue resolution
Steve Speicher: When will our TPAC agenda be drafted/set? Be good to reserve time for UCR finalizing and spec issue resolution ←
14:59:59 <ericP> €1000 instead of $1000, iirc
Eric Prud'hommeaux: €1000 instead of $1000, iirc ←
15:00:13 <ericP> (from what Henry said)
Eric Prud'hommeaux: (from what Henry said) ←
15:00:14 <bblfish> ah yes. thanks :-)
Henry Story: ah yes. thanks :-) ←
15:01:00 <bblfish> 1352.74 euros exactly
Henry Story: 1352.74 euros exactly ←
15:01:15 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
15:01:26 <bblfish> Will send mail to mailing list on the topic of webid and ldp
Henry Story: Will send mail to mailing list on the topic of webid and ldp ←
15:01:35 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
Zakim IRC Bot: -mhausenblas ←
15:01:37 <Zakim> -MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←
15:01:37 <Zakim> -SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS ←
15:01:38 <Zakim> -Ruben
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ruben ←
15:01:40 <Zakim> -dret
Zakim IRC Bot: -dret ←
15:01:40 <Zakim> -bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish ←
15:01:41 <Zakim> -antonis
Zakim IRC Bot: -antonis ←
15:01:42 <Zakim> -rgarcia
Zakim IRC Bot: -rgarcia ←
15:01:44 <Zakim> -krp
Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←
15:02:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/17-ldp-minutes.html Yves
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/17-ldp-minutes.html Yves ←
15:02:11 <Zakim> -Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: -Yves ←
15:02:23 <Zakim> -svillata
Zakim IRC Bot: -svillata ←
15:02:26 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:02:28 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
15:02:29 <Zakim> -stevebattle
Zakim IRC Bot: -stevebattle ←
15:02:32 <Zakim> -JohnArwe
Zakim IRC Bot: -JohnArwe ←
15:02:34 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended ←
15:02:34 <Zakim> Attendees were dret, +329331aaaa, Arnaud, JohnArwe, Sandro, bblfish, Ruben, SteveS, Ashok_Malhotra, antonis, BartvanLeeuwen, +1.512.433.aabb, rgarcia, krp, MacTed, stevebattle,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were dret, +329331aaaa, Arnaud, JohnArwe, Sandro, bblfish, Ruben, SteveS, Ashok_Malhotra, antonis, BartvanLeeuwen, +1.512.433.aabb, rgarcia, krp, MacTed, stevebattle, ←
15:02:34 <Zakim> ... Yves, svillata, ericP, mhausenblas, cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Yves, svillata, ericP, mhausenblas, cygri ←
15:02:36 <dret> anybody know's how to create the commonscribe minutes from that?
Erik Wilde: anybody know's how to create the commonscribe minutes from that? ←
15:02:48 <JohnArwe> working on common scribe minutes "now"
working on common scribe minutes "now" ←
15:02:56 <JohnArwe> ...once I call into next mtg ;-)
...once I call into next mtg ;-) ←
15:03:07 <dret> great, thanks a lot!
Erik Wilde: great, thanks a lot! ←
15:03:37 <cygri> dret, JohnArwe: The secret is to bookmark this URL and follow the instructions: https://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/panel/?group=ldp&go=Use+This+Group
Richard Cyganiak: dret, JohnArwe: The secret is to bookmark this URL and follow the instructions: https://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/panel/?group=ldp&go=Use+This+Group ←
15:03:46 <dret> looks like http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page#Timeline is missing presence information
Erik Wilde: looks like http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page#Timeline is missing presence information ←
15:04:05 <dret> thanks, cygri!
Erik Wilde: thanks, cygri! ←
15:05:39 <dret> i think that worked wonderfully, so i'll save the results. thanks again cygri and JohnArwe for scribing!
Erik Wilde: i think that worked wonderfully, so i'll save the results. thanks again cygri and JohnArwe for scribing! ←
15:05:57 <cygri> yw dret!
Richard Cyganiak: yw dret! ←
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