IRC log of ldp on 2012-12-03

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/12/03-ldp-irc
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be LDP
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ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 03 December 2012
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SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started
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+Ruben
14:58:43 [Yves]
regrets for me, on another call
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+[IBM]
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+Arnaud
15:00:16 [SteveS]
Zakim, [IBM] is me
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+SteveS; got it
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+OpenLink_Software
15:00:40 [MacTed]
Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
15:00:40 [Zakim]
+MacTed; got it
15:00:41 [MacTed]
Zakim, mute me
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MacTed should now be muted
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+??P3
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-??P3
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+Ashok_Malhotra
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+??P39
15:02:21 [BartvanLeeuwen]
Zakim, ??P39 is me
15:02:21 [Zakim]
+BartvanLeeuwen; got it
15:02:26 [MacTed]
Zakim, who's here?
15:02:26 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Ruben, SteveS, Arnaud, MacTed (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, BartvanLeeuwen
15:02:28 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Ashok_Malhotra, Ruben1, Zakim, RRSAgent, stevebattle, BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, deiu, MacTed, SteveS, AndyS, webr3, gavinc, Arnaud, sandro, Yves, trackbot
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Partial apologies - IRC only at the moment.
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+ +44.208.573.aaaa
15:04:04 [Arnaud]
andy, we've got 3 issues pending review for you
15:04:09 [Arnaud]
have you seen this?
15:04:25 [Zakim]
+[GVoice]
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+Sandro
15:05:34 [Arnaud]
zakim, who's here?
15:05:34 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Ruben, SteveS, Arnaud, MacTed (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, BartvanLeeuwen, +44.208.573.aaaa, ericP, Sandro
15:05:36 [Zakim]
On IRC I see rogerm, ericP, Ashok_Malhotra, Ruben1, Zakim, RRSAgent, stevebattle, BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, deiu, MacTed, SteveS, AndyS, webr3, gavinc, Arnaud, sandro, Yves,
15:05:36 [Zakim]
... trackbot
15:06:27 [MacTed]
Zakim. aaaa is rogerm
15:06:38 [MacTed]
Zakim, aaaa is rogerm
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+rogerm; got it
15:06:41 [MacTed]
:-)
15:06:54 [AndyS]
Arnud - numbers? pointers? I see 15 and 36 as open. No actions outstanding.
15:07:01 [Arnaud]
scribe: rogerm
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15:07:36 [rogerm]
can someone please refer me to the zakim syntax guide please ?
15:07:56 [Ruben1]
http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot
15:08:11 [BartvanLeeuwen]
rogerm: http://www.w3.org/2008/04/scribe.html
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yes, approve
15:08:35 [SteveS]
looked at and approve
15:08:43 [BartvanLeeuwen]
+1
15:09:01 [rogerm]
minutes approved
15:09:10 [rogerm]
resolve; minutes approved
15:09:21 [rogerm]
resolved: minutes approved
15:10:59 [rogerm]
10th and 17th December are the remaining calls this year.
15:11:13 [rogerm]
topic: actions and issues
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+SteveBattle
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15:11:46 [Arnaud]
andys, issues pending review: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/pendingreview
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+??P52
15:12:09 [Arnaud]
those three are really for you to confirm it's ok to close
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zakim, ??P52 is me
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+krp; got it
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+[IPcaller]
15:12:47 [AndyS]
zakim, IPCaller is me
15:12:47 [Zakim]
+AndyS; got it
15:12:57 [rogerm]
issues 2,3 and 7 are pending review
15:13:34 [SteveS]
ISSUE-2 ?
15:13:34 [trackbot]
ISSUE-2 -- Do BPResource versions get managed in a systematic, discoverable way? -- pending review
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http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/2
15:13:39 [SteveS]
ISSUE-3 ?
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ISSUE-3 -- Do BPContainer versions get managed in a systematic, discoverable way? -- pending review
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http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/3
15:14:09 [rogerm]
topic: issues 2 and 3
15:14:42 [Arnaud]
close issue-2
15:14:42 [trackbot]
ISSUE-2 Do BPResource versions get managed in a systematic, discoverable way? closed
15:14:48 [Arnaud]
close issue-3
15:14:48 [trackbot]
ISSUE-3 Do BPContainer versions get managed in a systematic, discoverable way? closed
15:15:34 [rogerm]
topic: issue 7
15:15:34 [SteveS]
ISSUE-7 ?
15:15:34 [trackbot]
ISSUE-7 -- What operations are permitted on containers and how do they get invoked? -- pending review
15:15:34 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/7
15:16:12 [Zakim]
-krp
15:16:23 [SteveS]
This might refresh AndyS memory on where this is left http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012Nov/0079.html
15:17:09 [Zakim]
+??P52
15:17:09 [rogerm]
close issue 7 because the content is covered elsewhere (?)
15:18:40 [rogerm]
AndyS: a general model of the LDP framework would probably cover issue 7
15:18:43 [Arnaud]
resolved: close issue-7
15:18:48 [Arnaud]
close issue-7
15:18:48 [trackbot]
ISSUE-7 What operations are permitted on containers and how do they get invoked? closed
15:19:21 [rogerm]
topic: issue 40
15:19:29 [rogerm]
topic: issue-40
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-??P52
15:20:26 [rogerm]
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/40
15:21:28 [stevebattle]
good idea Steve
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+??P52
15:21:55 [rogerm]
topic: issue-41
15:22:14 [rogerm]
stevebattle: issue 40 and 41 overlap
15:22:33 [AndyS]
q+
15:22:53 [AndyS]
q-
15:23:30 [rogerm]
topic: test suite and validator
15:23:49 [rogerm]
today was deadline for making proposals on this.
15:24:06 [stevebattle]
They represent the same use-cases but different scenarios - single v multiple attachments.
15:26:36 [stevebattle]
Do you know if Earl supports traceability?
15:27:07 [rogerm]
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Testing
15:27:11 [stevebattle]
traceability: RDF links from test cases to use-cases.
15:27:27 [rogerm]
Earl is an RDF language. it used in the W3C.
15:28:02 [AndyS]
EARL + RDF/SPARQL Manifest framework.
15:28:05 [stevebattle]
The power of RDF!
15:30:15 [stevebattle]
I'd like to contribute test-cases (derived from use-case scenarios).
15:30:22 [rogerm]
is Earl used in combination with HTTP-in-RDF vocab ?
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15:31:27 [rogerm]
it would be great to have some examples of what the tests would actually look like.
15:32:48 [Arnaud]
q?
15:32:51 [Zakim]
-??P52
15:33:01 [rogerm]
q+
15:33:13 [Arnaud]
RESOLVED: HTTP-in-RDF and EARL will be used for our test suite
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+??P52
15:35:13 [Arnaud]
ack rogerm
15:35:42 [rogerm]
sandro: there is more experience around validating a server
15:36:35 [SteveS]
q+
15:36:46 [rogerm]
sandro: another option is to download some client code to run locally
15:37:20 [Arnaud]
ack steves
15:38:07 [rogerm]
SteveS: maybe offer a reference server
15:39:10 [rogerm]
topic: UC & R
15:43:09 [rogerm]
should security aspect be included in UC&R ?
15:43:10 [SteveS]
Should we keep this section is the question: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements#LDP_and_Authentication.2FAuthorization
15:44:00 [SteveS]
PROPOSAL: Move this to Access Control requirements wiki
15:44:04 [rogerm]
regarding UC&R, I will update the IaaS story
15:44:43 [SteveS]
s/requirements wiki/requirements wiki page/
15:44:44 [Arnaud]
RESOLVED: Move 1.4.11 to the access control UC&R doc
15:45:38 [rogerm]
Question: who added the "data sharing" story ?
15:46:22 [rogerm]
the default is to remove this story, unless someone claims ownership
15:47:01 [SteveS]
believe that Christophe Gueret owns the "data sharing" story
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15:48:39 [Arnaud]
q?
15:48:54 [rogerm]
By next week (Dec 10th), the UC&R will be in good shape for review
15:49:05 [stevebattle]
OK
15:52:24 [rogerm]
topic: Specification
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topic: issue-37
15:53:24 [rogerm]
EricW was going to draft some text about the model
15:54:21 [stevebattle]
q+
15:54:40 [rogerm]
Arnaud: the outstanding issue which has the largest potential impact on the spec ?
15:54:42 [stevebattle]
q-
15:54:48 [Zakim]
-??P52
15:55:00 [stevebattle]
I concur - the aggregation/composition issues are critical
15:55:02 [BartvanLeeuwen]
q+
15:55:11 [Zakim]
+??P40
15:55:16 [Arnaud]
ack bart
15:56:06 [rogerm]
??: do/can resources have a link *back* to the container they are in ?
15:56:11 [stevebattle]
Nobody knows...
15:56:22 [rogerm]
(who asked that question please ?)
15:56:40 [stevebattle]
That was Bart
15:56:42 [rogerm]
the current spec does not mandate this
15:56:47 [rogerm]
thanks
15:57:04 [rogerm]
Bart: do/can resources have a link *back* to the container they are in ?
15:57:25 [MacTed]
no mandate, +1. option to do so, +1.
15:57:36 [rogerm]
topic: issue-21
15:57:45 [MacTed]
big difference between "must have" and "can have"...
15:58:53 [Arnaud]
q?
15:58:58 [stevebattle]
I raised it against UC&R because it stemmed from there.
15:59:12 [stevebattle]
It is *really* an issue on the spec.
15:59:24 [rogerm]
SteveS: what is the motivating use-case for the link-back requirement ?
15:59:49 [MacTed]
Zakim, unmute me
15:59:49 [Zakim]
MacTed should no longer be muted
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-Ashok_Malhotra
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zakim, ??P40 is me
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+krp; got it
16:00:13 [MacTed]
think about chapters in a book...
16:00:24 [MacTed]
pictures in an album...
16:01:16 [rogerm]
Arnaud: need volunteers to offer solutions to the issues which have been raised ... !
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q?
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q+
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ack rogerm
16:02:56 [stevebattle]
I would send your ideas to Eric, Roger.
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-MacTed
16:03:20 [stevebattle]
Bye
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-Sandro
16:03:22 [Arnaud]
MEETING ADJOURNED
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bye
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-SteveS
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-rogerm
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-AndyS
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-Arnaud
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-Ruben
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-krp
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-BartvanLeeuwen
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-SteveBattle
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Attendees were Ruben, Arnaud, SteveS, MacTed, Ashok_Malhotra, BartvanLeeuwen, +44.208.573.aaaa, ericP, Sandro, rogerm, SteveBattle, krp, AndyS
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