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<trackbot> Date: 07 June 2012
<JAllan> jr: ATAG decided to remove the SC because of the testability issue. propose removal for UAAG
<JAllan> ... suggest Preview of display preferences before committing them
<Jan> 2.7.8 Preferences Wizard: One or more wizards help the user to configure the accessibility-related user agent preferences. (Level AAA)
<JAllan> js: -1 reword for preference review before commit
<JAllan> kp: what was the issue
<JAllan> jr: one or more wizards is not testable. if we just limit to display settings
<Jan> no
<scribe> Scribe: kford
<JAllan> kp: we have ability to save and reset settings.
KP: We also have a save and share which makes this less important.
JA: So Kim, what are you advocating for?
KP: I'm vauge, I'm a don't know.
JA: so you are a ~1?
<JAllan> ~1
<JAllan> kf: fine with it going. wizards are out of vogue.
<JAllan> kp: wizards are too prescriptive and too many steps
JR: ATAG had wizards but we moved to what we ended up removing the item I described earlier.
KP: If you provide documentation and let them save and share and let them change outside the user agent, then this is covered.
JA: Summarized discussion.
... In general this seems to be covered.
SH: I understand the reasons for
removing but the reasons this was there were also to help
collect a bunch of settings that were scattered all
around.
... I understand this but it can be tedious at times. There was
a time when it took 13 steps to change a font in Internet
Explorer took 13 steps.
<JAllan> kf: understands all Si points. would like to remove an SC.
SH: I have many instances where
people find this too hard.
... In a practical sense I can understand why we might want to
keep this around.
<JAllan> kp: there are good examples.
<JAllan> js: like JR proposal ...approve before comit
Group talking about approve before commit.
<JAllan> jr: do I have to have a commit when I changed the volume or font size...gets complicated
<JAllan> kp: how easy a wizard to implement.
<JAllan> kf: it is not trivial. depends on what setting you are going to change and where they come from.
<JAllan> ... but what settings?
<JAllan> kf: slim to no chance that the internet settings will be reworked
<JAllan> jr: provides scenario using IE and wizard for a11y settings or advanced settings. seems like overkill.
<JAllan> js: what if we stick to just display settings.
<JAllan> jr: why just display
<JAllan> gl: not convinced we need this
<JAllan> kf: either keep as is or kick it out.
<JAllan> gl: if we keep it. then use wording for accessibility preferences that we have defined elsewhere
<JAllan> ... needed to comply with UAAG20.
<JAllan> jr: sure, but isn't this still overkill
<JAllan> gl: at AAA is it harmful.
<JAllan> jr: at CR will need implementations,
<JAllan> js: that will be hard to do.
<Greg> It does not need to replace normal UI, and could be done as an add-it.
<JAllan> proposal: remove 2.7.8 AAA from document
<Jan> JR: +1 to remove
<sharper> +1
<jeanne> -1 but will go with the group
<JAllan> +1
<Greg> ~1 (I'm fine either way)
+1, it goes away.
<JAllan> kp: ~1 go with group
<JAllan> resolved: remove 2.7.8 from document
Resolved: 2.7.8 gets removed.
<JAllan> close action-719
<trackbot> ACTION-719 Locate a link to Jutta's work on SCORM for 2.7.8 Resources closed
JA recaps message contents.
JR and JA go over minor editorial issues.
<JAllan> intent: Users with disabilities that need to use the accessibility features of
<JAllan> the user agent user interface can easily find descriptions of how to
<JAllan> use and configure the features to work with assistive technology.
<JAllan> These descriptions can be provided in the documentation or user
<JAllan> interface of the user agent or by the underlying platform, if the
<JAllan> feature is in fact a service of that platform.
<JAllan> example 1:
<JAllan> Andromeda has a tremor that makes using the mouse efficiently
<JAllan> difficult. She prefers using keyboard. Andromeda decides to explore
<JAllan> using a new browser. Opening Help, she finds a section entitled
<JAllan> "Browser Features Supporting Accessibility", a vendor provides a
<JAllan> detailed description of user agent features which provide
<JAllan> accessibility. In the Accessibility section she finds an item called
<JAllan> Keyboard Shortcuts which lists all of the functions and commands
<JAllan> available from the keyboard.
<Greg> We should add to Intent that ideally it should be in documentation easily and freely available to end users, or those who need it.
<Greg> The example would be slightly easier to read with a minor edit: "Andromeda has a tremor that makes using the mouse efficiently
<Greg> difficult, so she prefers using keyboard. She decides..."
<JAllan> intent: Users with disabilities that need to use the accessibility features of
<JAllan> the user agent user interface can easily find descriptions of how to
<JAllan> use and configure the features, including assistive techlogy.
<JAllan> These descriptions can be provided in the documentation or user
<JAllan> interface of the user agent or by the underlying platform, if the
<JAllan> feature is in fact a service of that platform. The documentation is easily available to the end user.
<Greg> "It is strongly recommended that the documentation be easily available to end users, and without charge."
<JAllan> intent: Users with disabilities that need to use the accessibility features of
<JAllan> the user agent user interface can easily find descriptions of how to
<JAllan> use and configure the features, including assistive technology.
<JAllan> These descriptions can be provided in the documentation or user
<JAllan> interface of the user agent or by the underlying platform, if the
<JAllan> feature is in fact a service of that platform. It is strongly recommended that the documentation be easily available to end users, and without charge.
Group talking more about SC.
<Greg> In the first two bullet items, the parts after the colons are pretty redundant to the "handle" before the colon. But not major.
<Greg> We could say that end-user features are in end-user documentation or the UI, while features only relevant to developers can be in developer documentation.
<Jan> (d) Not used by authors: The feature is not used directly by authors (e.g., passing information to a platform accessibility service).
<JAllan> for UAAG (d) Not used by end users: The feature is not used directly by end users (e.g., passing information to a platform accessibility service).
<JAllan> kf: what is the definition of developer, web developer, or AT developer
<Greg> (d) Developer documentation: features only relevant for developers (e.g. how information is exposed to assistive technology) may be documented in developer documentation.
<Jan> 4.1.3 Accessible Alternative:
<JAllan> kf: go with previous proposal. then add greg's (d) in 4 and create new SC
<Greg> also e.g. "how nested user agents determine accessibility settings of the host".
<JAllan> kf: could create a new SC in programmatiic access. seems the most practical way to move forward
<JAllan> proposed:
<JAllan> 3.3.2 Describe Accessibility Features:
<JAllan> For each user agent feature that is used to meet UAAG 2.0, at least
<JAllan> one of the following is true: (Level A)
<JAllan> (a) Described in the documentation: Use of the feature is explained in the user agents's documentation; or
<JAllan> (b) Described in the interface: Use of the feature is explained in the user agent user interface; or
<JAllan> (c) Platform service: The feature is a service provided by an underlying platform.
<JAllan> (d) Not used by authors: The feature is not used directly by authors (e.g., passing information to a platform accessibility service).
<JAllan> Intent of Success Criterion 3.3.2 :
<JAllan> intent: Users with disabilities that need to use the accessibility features of the user agent user interface can easily find descriptions of how to
<JAllan> use and configure the features, including assistive technology. These descriptions can be provided in the documentation or user
<JAllan> interface of the user agent or by the underlying platform, if the feature is in fact a service of that platform. It is strongly recommended that the documentation be easily available to end users, and without charge.
<JAllan> Examples of Success Criterion 3.3.2 :
<JAllan> Andromeda has a tremor that makes using the mouse efficiently difficult, so she prefers using keyboard. She decides Andromeda decides to explore
<JAllan> using a new browser. Opening Help, she finds a section entitled "Browser Features Supporting Accessibility", a vendor provides a
<JAllan> detailed description of user agent features which provide accessibility. In the Accessibility section she finds an item called
<JAllan> Keyboard Shortcuts which lists all of the functions and commands available from the keyboard.
<JAllan> A user is exploring the menus of a user agent and finds a feature named Use My Style Sheet. Activating the feature, the user quickly
<JAllan> learns that this feature allows custom CSS stylesheets to be created to help make web content more accessible.
<JAllan> new (d) (d) Not used by end users: The feature is not used directly by end users (e.g., passing information to a platform accessibility service).
<Greg> "a vendor provides" to "where the vendor provides"
<JAllan> Andromeda has a tremor that makes using the mouse efficiently difficult, so she prefers using keyboard. She decides to explore using a new browser. Opening Help, she finds a section entitled "Browser Features Supporting Accessibility", where the vendor provides a detailed description of user agent features which provide accessibility. In the Accessibility section she finds an item called Keyboard
<JAllan> Shortcuts which lists all of the functions and commands available from the keyboard.
<Greg> "Activating the feature, the user quickly" to "Activating the feature brings up a dialog box that not only allows her to install such a style sheet, but also explains an overview of the feature."
Group working on another example.
<JAllan> George is exploring the menus of a user agent and finds a feature named Use My Style Sheet. Activating the feature brings up a dialog box that not only allows her to install such a style sheet, but also explains an overview of the feature.
<Greg> "e.g., passing information to a platform accessibility service" to "e.g. how the user agent passes information to assistive technology"
<Greg> Summary: Users can have form submissions require confirmation (3.2.1), go back after navigating (3.2.2), and use spell-checking facilities (3.2.3).
<Greg> Summary: Users can have form submissions require confirmation (3.2.1), go back after navigating (3.2.2), and have their text checked for spelling errors (3.2.3).
Resolved: Summary for 3.2 to be above wording.
<JAllan> proposed:
<JAllan> 3.3.2 Describe Accessibility Features:
<JAllan> For each user agent feature that is used to meet UAAG 2.0, at least
<JAllan> one of the following is true: (Level A)
<JAllan> (a) Described in the documentation: Use of the feature is explained in the user agents's documentation; or
<JAllan> (b) Described in the interface: Use of the feature is explained in the user agent user interface; or
<JAllan> (c) Platform service: The feature is a service provided by an underlying platform.
<JAllan> (d) Not used by end users: The feature is not used directly by end users (e.g. how the user agent passes information to assistive technology)
<JAllan> Intent of Success Criterion 3.3.2 :
<JAllan> intent: Users with disabilities that need to use the accessibility features of the user agent user interface can easily find descriptions of how to use and configure the features, including assistive technology. These descriptions can be provided in the documentation or user interface of the user agent or by the underlying platform, if the feature is in fact a service of that platform. It is...
<JAllan> ...strongly recommended that the documentation be easily available to end users, and without charge.
<JAllan> Examples of Success Criterion 3.3.2 :
<JAllan> Andromeda has a tremor that makes using the mouse efficiently difficult, so she prefers using keyboard. She decides to explore using a new browser. Opening Help, she finds a section entitled "Browser Features Supporting Accessibility", where the vendor provides a detailed description of user agent features which provide accessibility. In the Accessibility section she finds an item called...
<JAllan> ...Keyboard Shortcuts which lists all of the functions and commands available from the keyboard.
<JAllan> George is exploring the menus of a user agent and finds a feature named Use My Style Sheet. Activating the feature brings up a dialog box that not only allows her to install such a style sheet, but also explains an overview of the feature.
Resolved: Use previous text for wording for 3.3.2
<scribe> ACTION: JS to update document with resolved items from this week and publish new editor's draft. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/07-ua-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-738 - Update document with resolved items from this week and publish new editor's draft. [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2012-06-14].
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