SV_MEETING_TITLE -- 16 Apr 2012

blaine: do you have a link to the discussion on the apps wg mailing list for Webfinger and SWD?

<jeff> agena?

I'd like to give it a shot

<jeff> http://www.w3.org/wiki/SocialWebHeadlightsTaskForce

this conference is SOC1

yay

<SteveH__> I have to drop at 10:45a ET

Point of this call is to find areas where W3C should focus on standardization in social networking

jeff says, is there space where we should be taking up more specialized work

we have 6 community groups working in the area

not a lot of normative standards work in the area

social networking is a big part of the web taken as a given

Details of work so far is available at http://www.w3.org/wiki/SocialWebHeadlightsTaskForce

Develop a block diagram to show technical components of social networking and how they relate to each other

If we know how this is mapped out, we can make decisions about what could be proprietary, what could be standardized at W3C, what is being well standardized at other organizations

headlights group to present at advisory committee meeting in 4 weeks

jeff, it is unlikely that we will have a converged recommendation by AC

<jeff> scribe: evan

evan: what is the next calendar date we could make recommendations?

what additional work do we have to do to get to a list of recommendations?

Work in July is have recommendations from headlights groups

Really important that we have recommendations by mid-July

jeff: it is not difficult to get recommendations; difficult to get consensus that we have the right recommendations

Also need the justification to do so

<Kelvin> So, I think we agreed on our last call that the diagram needs a script. Who was going to write that scrip?

<Kelvin> I also thought we agreed to reference the six CGs on the picture

Writing recommendations is easy; determining the correct ones is hard

<Kelvin> My point is we are leaping to the end without finishing the middle

SteveH__ says, IBM prefers to work off W3C facilities rather than github

<AnnBassetti> +1 will be better for me too

ACTION evan to move diagram from github to w3c wiki and use wiki versioning of the document

I hope that was right

Kelvin, asks that we highlight community groups around social

<Kelvin> Thanks Evan looks good

<Zakim> SteveH__, you wanted to ask question about objectives by June/July

SteveH__: we had discussed scheduling a workshop on social end of the summer 2012

OpenSocial is interested and would like to do a co-branded, co-sponsored event

IBM interested in sponsoring

Need lead time to plan a meeting

jeff: proposition for the AC meeting is to have a workshop

<SteveH__> @Jeff, sorry, you're right, it was not an action item for you

<scribe> ACTION: evan to arrange a call between Jeff & other parties at W3C AND OpenSocial [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/16-social-minutes.html#action01]

<SteveH__> @even, once again, thanks

SteveH__: no problem
... can you sit in on a call?

evan: should we talk to other organizations about the workshop?

jeff: might be too many people around the table

claudio: OMA may be interested in participating and/or sponsoring a workshop

if there are possibilities to have multiple meetings, could we have one on where the status of different organizations are on social

OMA has strong interest to have additional coordination

<scribe> ACTION: evan to move diagram from github to w3c wiki and use wiki versioning of the document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/16-social-minutes.html#action02]

(sorry, I'm jst getting the handle on scribe terminology)

As we think about next steps, what are the right scope of social for W3C and with whom do we work

jeff willing to talk to multiple organizations

<scribe> ACTION: claudio to arrange a call on social efforts between Jeff and OMA [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/16-social-minutes.html#action03]

jeff: a lot of the work in Open Social has evolved to look at some of the really hard issues around enterprise environment

virginie: what parts of our diagram fall into OpenSocial space? What parts fall into OMA space?

jeff: OMA concentrates on mobile

AnnBassetti: has presented boeing's analysis of community/social effort
... worked solo
... revised social diagram based on Boeing document

<Rich_> #q

AnnBassetti: started with original document

Identified some high-level organization

<Kelvin> I must confess I am getting a little lost as we seem to have more than one diagram now and I think we are stepping on each other

Kelvin: we've had a couple of contributions this week

AnnBassetti's and David Robinson's

Kelvin: I think there's an opportunity to merge and rationalize

<Kelvin> OK I probably mis understood that Ann's edits got edited after she submitted

<jeff> Ann: Maybe need a section for "groups"

When I get voice I'll suggest we take Ann's as canonical and merge David's into it

<jeff> +1 to evan

https://github.com/w3c-social-headlights/headlights-diagram/raw/16260e3fc76bedc1b5a2061cc2cd7c45b79ebd26/social-web.png <--- original version

<jeff> but also, we may need to rationalize parts of it: e.g. to add the group concept

AnnBassetti: added content structures

<SteveH__> I have to drop now. I'll stay in the IRC chatroom in the background

AnnBassetti: professional attributes (part of job, part of career) vs. personal attributes

Rich_: are David Robinson's efforts reflected in this document?

AnnBassetti: unable to get to most recent version

<AnnBassetti> (thanks, Evan .. no prob)

jeff: take a week and iterate

AnnBassetti: would like to incorporate feedback, hasn't had full version of feedback so far

<Kelvin> I am struggling to comment as we seem to have missing feedback and no single diagram to all work from

<scribe> ACTION: evan to get all versions of document onto W3C wiki today [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/16-social-minutes.html#action04]

<AnnBassetti> I have some time today and tomorrow .. .none on Wednesday

Original, David Robinson, and Ann Bassetti diagram

Ann's will be canonical, will incorporate David's changes

Rich_: tomorrow's Social Business group's feedback is David's version

evan: propose we suggest reviews against Ann's version

assignment #2

use-cases for social standards -- a narrative for diagram

was an assignment from 2 weeks ago that didn't come forward

<jeff> Evan: I'm not volunteering

<jeff> ... There is meta information in the diagram

<jeff> ... Could be valuable to pull out into narrative

<jeff> ... (e.g. Web ID, what do we mean by sharing, descriptive information)

<jeff> ... Would help someone looking at it for the first time

1- or 2-page document that describes where we're getting at

Not a 20-page document

Lloyd from social business group

Lloyd will pick up the pen and edit the headlights narrative document

<AnnBassetti> sounds like Ann and Kelvin are also willing to discuss with Lloyd how we might describe this diagram

AnnBassetti: that was my take-away

what is the meaning of the groupings, how do the parts relate to each other

<AnnBassetti> (I encourage others to let me know they would be willing to participate in this discussion! ... would be helpful to have your perspective)

Three volunteers will be working on it

<scribe> ACTION: Lloyd to lead editing a narrative document, Ann and Kelvin to help [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/16-social-minutes.html#action05]

AnnBassetti: people who don't understand the diagram are the best ones to comment

<AnnBassetti> goal: 1-2 pages overview description

<AnnBassetti> Lloyd ++

looking for help on assignment #3

jeff: publish to the wiki so all can see it

<virginie> ok with both too

meet next week at 11AM EDT?

<AnnBassetti> Ann: OK

+1 here

My action item is done: http://www.w3.org/wiki/SocialWebHeadlightsTaskForce#Diagram

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Attendees

Contents

assignment #2

looking for help on assignment #3

Summary of Action Items

Scribe.perl diagnostic output