RDF Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 21 September 2011

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Antoine Zimmermann, Arnaud Le Hors, David Wood, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Gavin Carothers, Lee Feigenbaum, Mischa Tuffield, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Richard Cyganiak, Scott Bauer, Ted Thibodeau, Zhe Wu
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David Wood
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Antoine Zimmermann
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16:28:55 <MacTed> scribenick: AZ

(Scribe set to Antoine Zimmermann)

16:33:02 <MacTed> chair: David Wood
14:57:52 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-irc

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14:57:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394

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14:57:56 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

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14:57:57 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:57:57 <trackbot> Date: 21 September 2011
14:58:24 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has now started

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14:58:31 <Zakim> +AZ

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14:58:39 <Zakim> +bhyland

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14:58:55 <davidwood> Zakim, bhyland is me

David Wood: Zakim, bhyland is me

14:58:55 <Zakim> +davidwood; got it

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14:59:23 <Zakim> +gavinc

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15:00:18 <Zakim> +??P14

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15:01:08 <Zakim> +Scott_Bauer

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15:01:31 <gavinc> zakim, who is talking

Gavin Carothers: zakim, who is talking

15:01:31 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', gavinc

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is talking', gavinc

15:01:46 <davidwood> Zakim, +P14 is Arnaud

David Wood: Zakim, +P14 is Arnaud

15:01:46 <Zakim> sorry, davidwood, I do not recognize a party named '+P14'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, davidwood, I do not recognize a party named '+P14'

15:01:57 <davidwood> Zakim, P14 is Arnaud

David Wood: Zakim, P14 is Arnaud

15:01:57 <Zakim> sorry, davidwood, I do not recognize a party named 'P14'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, davidwood, I do not recognize a party named 'P14'

15:02:15 <gavinc> zakim, ??P14 is Arnaud

Gavin Carothers: zakim, ??P14 is Arnaud

15:02:15 <Zakim> +Arnaud; got it

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15:02:58 <Zakim> +??P22

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15:03:05 <pchampin> +??P22 is me

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +??P22 is me

15:03:17 <Zakim> +??P25

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15:03:26 <pchampin> zakim, ??P22 is me

Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, ??P22 is me

15:03:26 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it

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15:03:29 <mischat> Zakim, ??P25 is me

Mischa Tuffield: Zakim, ??P25 is me

15:03:29 <Zakim> +mischat; got it

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15:03:32 <pchampin> zakim, mute me

Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, mute me

15:03:32 <Zakim> pchampin should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pchampin should now be muted

15:04:18 <cygri> zakim, what's the code?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, what's the code?

15:04:18 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), cygri

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15:04:30 <Zakim> +mhausenblas

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15:04:35 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is me

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, mhausenblas is me

15:04:35 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

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15:04:58 <AZ> topic: Admin

1. Admin

15:05:22 <davidwood> Proposed to accept http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-09-14

David Wood: Proposed to accept http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-09-14

15:05:24 <zwu2> zakim, code?

Zhe Wu: zakim, code?

15:05:24 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2

15:05:38 <AZ> PROPOSED: to accept the minutes of the 14 Sep telecon

PROPOSED: to accept the minutes of the 14 Sep telecon

15:05:58 <Zakim> +zwu2

Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2

15:06:03 <AZ> davidwood: The meeting was adjourned before the minutes were issued

David Wood: The meeting was adjourned before the minutes were issued

15:06:06 <zwu2> zakim, mute me

Zhe Wu: zakim, mute me

15:06:06 <Zakim> zwu2 should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: zwu2 should now be muted

15:06:10 <mischat> the minutes do state where the telecon adjourned

Mischa Tuffield: the minutes do state where the telecon adjourned

15:06:43 <AZ> davidwood: we'll close Guus action

David Wood: we'll close Guus action

15:07:32 <Zakim> +LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF

15:07:33 <AZ>  cygri: will do my action later today

cygri: will do my action later today

15:08:07 <AZ> topic: FTF planning

2. FTF planning

15:08:17 <ericP> davidwood, Guus, i'm on another call. RDF WG has dibs so you can ping "ericP" in irc and I'll switch focus

Eric Prud'hommeaux: davidwood, Guus, i'm on another call. RDF WG has dibs so you can ping "ericP" in irc and I'll switch focus

15:08:23 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F2

Mischa Tuffield: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F2

15:09:24 <AZ> davidwood: talks on hotels difficult to find

David Wood: talks on hotels difficult to find

15:10:09 <AZ> davidwood: we'll have the F2F split in 2 places (EU and US)

David Wood: we'll have the F2F split in 2 places (EU and US)

15:11:02 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F2#Agenda

Mischa Tuffield: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F2#Agenda

15:11:08 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

15:11:25 <AZ> davidwood: we have to figure out 2 things,

David Wood: we have to figure out 2 things,

15:11:36 <AZ> ...: manage the timezones

...: manage the timezones

15:12:04 <AZ> ...: when London adjourn, we use the time left in Boston to do useful things

...: when London adjourn, we use the time left in Boston to do useful things

15:12:25 <Zakim> -LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF

15:12:32 <davidwood> ack cygri

David Wood: ack cygri

15:12:33 <AZ> ...: we make progress on the RDF primer

...: we make progress on the RDF primer

15:12:55 <AZ> cygri: I was surprised by the strong titles in the agenda

Richard Cyganiak: I was surprised by the strong titles in the agenda

15:13:21 <AZ> ... I wasn't expecting the two would work apart

... I wasn't expecting the two would work apart

15:13:37 <gavinc> Issue seems to be that far more people will be in London then in Boston :\

Gavin Carothers: Issue seems to be that far more people will be in London then in Boston :\

15:13:40 <AZ> ... there are advantages in doing that, more stuff gets done,

... there are advantages in doing that, more stuff gets done,

15:13:51 <AZ> .... but advantages having shared time

.... but advantages having shared time

15:14:07 <AZ> ... we should maximise shared time

... we should maximise shared time

15:14:36 <pchampin> +1 to try to align schedule as much as possible

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1 to try to align schedule as much as possible

15:14:37 <AZ> davidwood: I hope we can get in MIT earlier

David Wood: I hope we can get in MIT earlier

15:14:47 <mischat> cygri: i agree too, but iirc yvesr_ and NickH mentioned that there was end time to when we had to get out of their buildings

Richard Cyganiak: i agree too, but iirc yvesr_ and NickH mentioned that there was end time to when we had to get out of their buildings [ Scribe Assist by Mischa Tuffield ]

15:14:52 <gavinc> there are 5 solid confirmations in Boston, and 11 in London

Gavin Carothers: there are 5 solid confirmations in Boston, and 11 in London

15:15:06 <AZ> ... and we can't be in BBC late

... and we can't be in BBC late

15:15:14 <LeeF> I'm sorry that my phone has decided to act up, but I wanted to say that I'm not sure that a group editing of the primer will be a good way to edit the primer. I think we might be more successful identifying goals for the updated primer and then enlisting 1 or 2 editors to do the actual updating.

Lee Feigenbaum: I'm sorry that my phone has decided to act up, but I wanted to say that I'm not sure that a group editing of the primer will be a good way to edit the primer. I think we might be more successful identifying goals for the updated primer and then enlisting 1 or 2 editors to do the actual updating.

15:15:31 <AZ> ... the current agenda is (sort of) a worst case scenario

... the current agenda is (sort of) a worst case scenario

15:15:58 <AZ> cygri: currently, we'll adjourn in London at 5pm

Richard Cyganiak: currently, we'll adjourn in London at 5pm

15:16:04 <Zakim> +LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF

15:16:04 <mischat> cygri++

Mischa Tuffield: cygri++

15:16:13 <AZ> ... we could shift everything 2 hours backward

... we could shift everything 2 hours backward

15:16:45 <davidwood> Yves Raimond

David Wood: Yves Raimond

15:16:47 <davidwood> (BBC)

David Wood: (BBC)

15:17:01 <mischat> davidwood: to email yvesr_ about how late we can stay at the BBC's london location

David Wood: to email yvesr_ about how late we can stay at the BBC's london location [ Scribe Assist by Mischa Tuffield ]

15:17:13 <AZ> ACTION: david to mail Yves if we can get to BBC later

ACTION: david to mail Yves if we can get to BBC later

15:17:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-90 - Mail Yves if we can get to BBC later [on David Wood - due 2011-09-28].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-90 - Mail Yves if we can get to BBC later [on David Wood - due 2011-09-28].

15:17:20 <mischat> davidwood, LeeF had a point above

Mischa Tuffield: davidwood, LeeF had a point above

15:17:23 <LeeF> q+

Lee Feigenbaum: q+

15:17:30 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

15:17:31 <davidwood> ack LeeF

David Wood: ack LeeF

15:18:20 <AZ> LeeF: we should get consensus on what to put in Primer then assign writing to 2 people

Lee Feigenbaum: we should get consensus on what to put in Primer then assign writing to 2 people

15:18:42 <Zakim> -LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF

15:18:52 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Editors

Mischa Tuffield: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Editors

15:18:57 <mischat> editors doc ^^

Mischa Tuffield: editors doc ^^

15:19:20 <Zakim> +LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF

15:19:22 <AZ> davidwood: with neither editors of Primer on the call we can't really decide how to proceed wrt Primer

David Wood: with neither editors of Primer on the call we can't really decide how to proceed wrt Primer

15:19:49 <LeeF> Great! (i was just confused by what it said in the agenda)

Lee Feigenbaum: Great! (i was just confused by what it said in the agenda)

15:19:54 <davidwood> ack cygri

David Wood: ack cygri

15:19:58 <AZ> ...: we will just suggest updates for Primer at the Boston meeting

...: we will just suggest updates for Primer at the Boston meeting

15:20:24 <AZ> cygri: we should spend time on the documents the WG has to update and produce

Richard Cyganiak: we should spend time on the documents the WG has to update and produce

15:20:54 <davidwood> Changed agenda wording for the RDF Primer task

David Wood: Changed agenda wording for the RDF Primer task

15:21:01 <AZ> ... a number of documents have not yet been touch in terms of editing

... a number of documents have not yet been touch in terms of editing

15:21:16 <LeeF> I will attend at MIT - I didn't realize I wasn't already on the list. Sorry!

Lee Feigenbaum: I will attend at MIT - I didn't realize I wasn't already on the list. Sorry!

15:21:40 <AZ> ... it's not clear what's going to happen wrt the JSON document

... it's not clear what's going to happen wrt the JSON document

15:21:58 <AZ> ... we should discuss the JSON doc at the meeting

... we should discuss the JSON doc at the meeting

15:22:14 <AZ> davidwood: there should be someone reviewing the JSON doc

David Wood: there should be someone reviewing the JSON doc

15:22:24 <AZ> ... and present the review to the group on the ML

... and present the review to the group on the ML

15:23:03 <AZ> cygri: there was a decision at the F2F1 that we have 2 documents

Richard Cyganiak: there was a decision at the F2F1 that we have 2 documents

15:23:21 <AZ> ... is there still this consensus?

... is there still this consensus?

15:23:29 <mischat> zakim, who is on the call?

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, who is on the call?

15:23:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see AZ, davidwood, gavinc, Arnaud, Scott_Bauer, pchampin (muted), mischat, cygri, zwu2 (muted), LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AZ, davidwood, gavinc, Arnaud, Scott_Bauer, pchampin (muted), mischat, cygri, zwu2 (muted), LeeF

15:23:41 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software

15:23:49 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

15:23:49 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it

15:23:51 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:23:51 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

15:24:41 <AZ> davidwood: we have 2 actions to do for the F2F:

David Wood: we have 2 actions to do for the F2F:

15:24:54 <AZ> ... 1. whether BC can be accessible late and;

... 1. whether BBC can be accessible late and;

15:25:03 <AZ> ... 2. review JSON LD

... 2. review JSON LD

15:25:04 <MacTed> s/BC/BBC/
15:25:40 <davidwood> TO DO for the Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F2#Agenda

David Wood: TO DO for the Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F2#Agenda

15:25:45 <mischat> i was wrong about a json-ld review, I was thinking of all the json-ld related chat on the mailing list that is all

Mischa Tuffield: i was wrong about a json-ld review, I was thinking of all the json-ld related chat on the mailing list that is all

15:26:05 <AZ> davidwood: I'll update the agenda accordingly

David Wood: I'll update the agenda accordingly

15:26:20 <AZ> topic: Liaison with Provenance WG

3. Liaison with Provenance WG

15:26:32 <AZ> davidwood: there was a telecon last Thursday

David Wood: there was a telecon last Thursday

15:26:47 <AZ> ... there is a mailing list for RDF / Prov liaison

... there is a mailing list for RDF / Prov liaison

15:27:00 <AZ> public-rdf-prov@lists.w3.org

public-rdf-prov@lists.w3.org

15:27:10 <mischat> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-prov/

Mischa Tuffield: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-prov/

15:27:22 <AZ> ... anyone interested in Graph TF should take a look and join the discussions

... anyone interested in Graph TF should take a look and join the discussions

15:27:26 <mischat> and the minutes to the meeting last week http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-09-15

Mischa Tuffield: and the minutes to the meeting last week http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-09-15

15:28:06 <AZ> ... the Prov WG make good progress but it's not clear exactly there use cases

... the Prov WG make good progress but it's not clear exactly there use cases

15:28:30 <davidwood> Discussed http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-Graphs-UC

David Wood: Discussed http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-Graphs-UC

15:28:59 <AZ> ... we (RDF WG) have a provenance use case

... we (RDF WG) have provenance use cases

15:29:01 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-Graphs-UC#Provenance_Use_Cases

Mischa Tuffield: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-Graphs-UC#Provenance_Use_Cases

15:29:12 <AZ> s/a provenance use case/provenance use cases/
15:29:38 <AZ> ... we need an agreement on the g-* terminology

... we need an agreement on the g-* terminology

15:29:48 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Graph_Terminology

Mischa Tuffield: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Graph_Terminology

15:29:53 <AZ> ... it must be fixed after the F2F2

... it must be fixed after the F2F2

15:29:55 <mischat> g-box

Mischa Tuffield: g-box

15:30:35 <AZ> ... the Prov WG is waiting for our final terminology

... the Prov WG is waiting for our final terminology

15:30:41 <Arnaud> got it, thanks

Arnaud Le Hors: got it, thanks

15:30:42 <AZ> ... and they need their final use cases

... and they need their final use cases

15:31:04 <davidwood> q?

David Wood: q?

15:31:45 <AZ> topic: Status RDF Dataset proposal

4. Status RDF Dataset proposal

15:32:31 <AZ> davidwood: Richard, can you answer Sandro's criticism wrt the Dataset proposal?

David Wood: Richard, can you answer Sandro's criticism wrt the Dataset proposal?

15:33:05 <davidwood> Sandro's criticism: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-09-14#RDF_Dataset_proposal

David Wood: Sandro's criticism: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-09-14#RDF_Dataset_proposal

15:33:06 <AZ> ... in the minutes of the last meeting

... in the minutes of the last meeting

15:33:51 <AZ> cygri: the proposal is not based on use cases, but based on SPARQL specs

Richard Cyganiak: the proposal is not based on use cases, but based on SPARQL specs

15:34:20 <AZ> ... these concepts are already implemented in SPARQL graph stores

... these concepts are already implemented in SPARQL graph stores

15:34:31 <AZ> ... this addresses a lot of use cases

... this addresses a lot of use cases

15:34:50 <AZ> ... but it's worth looking at it in more details

... but it's worth looking at it in more details

15:35:15 <AZ> ... we have to define what cannot be addressed by the proposal

... we have to define what cannot be addressed by the proposal

15:35:52 <AZ> ... People who think it is not sufficient should point out which use cases are not addressed

... People who think it is not sufficient should point out which use cases are not addressed

15:37:15 <pchampin> q+ to ask a question to Richard about the dataset proposal

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+ to ask a question to Richard about the dataset proposal

15:37:18 <AZ> ... I still think that the proposal is enough for all use cases

... I still think that the proposal is enough for all use cases

15:38:21 <AZ> davidwood: we are not sure the prov use case we have are use cases for the Prov WG (?)

David Wood: we are not sure the prov use case we have are use cases for the Prov WG (?)

15:38:23 <mischat> q?

Mischa Tuffield: q?

15:39:19 <AZ> ... we need Sandro to discuss his criticism and he's not here

... we need Sandro to discuss his criticism and he's not here

15:39:47 <pchampin> +1 to Richard

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1 to Richard

15:39:51 <AZ> cygri: versioning is related somehow to provenance too

Richard Cyganiak: versioning is related somehow to provenance too

15:39:54 <davidwood> q?

David Wood: q?

15:39:57 <pchampin> ack me

Pierre-Antoine Champin: ack me

15:39:59 <Zakim> pchampin, you wanted to ask a question to Richard about the dataset proposal

Zakim IRC Bot: pchampin, you wanted to ask a question to Richard about the dataset proposal

15:40:02 <davidwood> ack pchampin

David Wood: ack pchampin

15:40:05 <cygri> ACTION: cygri to respond to Sandro's trust use case

ACTION: cygri to respond to Sandro's trust use case

15:40:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-91 - Respond to Sandro's trust use case [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2011-09-28].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-91 - Respond to Sandro's trust use case [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2011-09-28].

15:40:45 <AZ> Pierre-Antoine: in the dataset proposal, things are very specific to queries

Pierre-Antoine Champin: in the dataset proposal, things are very specific to queries

15:40:54 <AZ> ... eg, default graph

... eg, default graph

15:41:25 <AZ> ... shouldn't we clear the proposal from this focus (which comes from SPARQL)

... shouldn't we clear the proposal from this focus (which comes from SPARQL)

15:41:47 <AZ> cygri: true, default graph comes from SPARQL and may not be necessary

Richard Cyganiak: true, default graph comes from SPARQL and may not be necessary

15:42:25 <AZ> ... it's still open to discussion whether to keep it

... it's still open to discussion whether to keep it

15:42:47 <AZ> ... but it's good to take what SPARQL has and make as little changes as possible

... but it's good to take what SPARQL has and make as little changes as possible

15:43:42 <AZ> ... if we diverge from SPARQL, we should have a good explanation for it

... if we diverge from SPARQL, we should have a good explanation for it

15:44:38 <AZ> pchampin: I agree but some things in the Dataset proposal seem strange from RDF pov

Pierre-Antoine Champin: I agree but some things in the Dataset proposal seem strange from RDF pov

15:45:04 <gavinc> The strange thing to me is that there can't be more then one ;)

Gavin Carothers: The strange thing to me is that there can't be more then one ;)

15:45:16 <AZ> cygri: pchampin, if something seems weird, please find a cocnrete example to explain the reason

Richard Cyganiak: pchampin, if something seems weird, please find a cocnrete example to explain the reason

15:45:21 <davidwood> q?

David Wood: q?

15:45:22 <AZ> pchampin: I'll do that

Pierre-Antoine Champin: I'll do that

15:46:15 <AZ> davidwood: we may not be able to address the tagged literals issue

David Wood: we may not be able to address the tagged literals issue

15:46:27 <davidwood> <mailto:public-rdf-prov@w3.org>

David Wood: <mailto:public-rdf-prov@w3.org>

15:46:33 <AZ> ... everyone, please discuss the F2F agenda,

... everyone, please discuss the F2F agenda,

15:46:36 <davidwood> ^^ Please join if you are interested in graphs

David Wood: ^^ Please join if you are interested in graphs

15:46:45 <MacTed> what's the link/address by which to join?

Ted Thibodeau: what's the link/address by which to join?

15:47:00 <AZ> ... and join the Prov / RDF ML if interested in graphs

... and join the Prov / RDF ML if interested in graphs

15:47:06 <gavinc> <public-rdf-prov-request@w3.org> SUBSCRIBE

Gavin Carothers: <public-rdf-prov-request@w3.org> SUBSCRIBE

15:47:07 <mischat>  public-rdf-prov-request@w3.org  Subject: subscribe

Mischa Tuffield: public-rdf-prov-request@w3.org Subject: subscribe

15:47:18 <gavinc> NOT the mailing list address

Gavin Carothers: NOT the mailing list address

15:47:19 <zwu2> q+

Zhe Wu: q+

15:47:27 <MacTed> -request is key!  we don't want 17 "subscribe" messages going to the list...

Ted Thibodeau: -request is key! we don't want 17 "subscribe" messages going to the list...

15:47:29 <cygri> q+ to mention R2RML last call

Richard Cyganiak: q+ to mention R2RML last call

15:47:32 <zwu2> zakim, unmute me

Zhe Wu: zakim, unmute me

15:47:32 <Zakim> zwu2 should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: zwu2 should no longer be muted

15:47:44 <davidwood> ack zwu

David Wood: ack zwu

15:48:18 <MacTed> <mailto:public-rdf-prov-request@w3.org?subject=SUBSCRIBE>

Ted Thibodeau: <mailto:public-rdf-prov-request@w3.org?subject=SUBSCRIBE>

15:48:20 <MacTed> that will work

Ted Thibodeau: that will work

15:48:33 <AZ> zwu2: is it possible to change the schedule a bit to have more overlapping time

Zhe Wu: is it possible to change the schedule a bit to have more overlapping time

15:48:40 <davidwood> ack cygri

David Wood: ack cygri

15:48:40 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to mention R2RML last call

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you wanted to mention R2RML last call

15:48:53 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/TR/r2rml/

Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/TR/r2rml/

15:48:57 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdb-direct-mapping/

Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdb-direct-mapping/

15:49:01 <AZ> cygri: RDB2RDF has turned their docs to last call

Richard Cyganiak: RDB2RDF has turned their docs to last call

15:49:44 <AZ> ... we invite comments, especially open questions,

... we invite comments, especially open questions,

15:50:10 <AZ> ... 1. whether the mapping language require a specific syntax or should it be just a vocabulary

... 1. whether the mapping language require a specific syntax or should it be just a vocabulary

15:50:51 <AZ> ... 2. how to get to specific parts of URIs

... 2. how to get to specific parts of URIs

15:51:55 <AZ> ... There are also issues related to Turtle etc wrt punctuation

... There are also issues related to Turtle etc wrt punctuation

15:52:19 <davidwood> q?

David Wood: q?

15:52:43 <AZ> davidwood: we'll adjourn (early due to lack of participants)

David Wood: we'll adjourn (early due to lack of participants)

15:53:34 <AZ> davidwood: cygri, please discuss Sandro's criticism and bring this to the list

David Wood: cygri, please discuss Sandro's criticism and bring this to the list

15:54:05 <gavinc> <People/ID-7> rdf:type <People> .

Gavin Carothers: <People/ID-7> rdf:type <People> .

15:55:52 <Zakim> -zwu2

Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2

15:55:54 <Zakim> -MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed

15:55:55 <Zakim> -cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri

15:55:55 <Zakim> -gavinc

Zakim IRC Bot: -gavinc

15:55:57 <Zakim> -davidwood

Zakim IRC Bot: -davidwood

15:55:57 <Zakim> -mischat

Zakim IRC Bot: -mischat

15:55:59 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

15:56:04 <pchampin> bye all

Pierre-Antoine Champin: bye all

15:56:05 <Zakim> -Scott_Bauer

Zakim IRC Bot: -Scott_Bauer

15:56:20 <davidwood> RRSAgent, make minutes

David Wood: RRSAgent, make minutes

15:56:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-minutes.html davidwood

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-minutes.html davidwood

15:56:24 <mischat> :)

Mischa Tuffield: :)

15:56:28 <Zakim> -pchampin

Zakim IRC Bot: -pchampin

15:56:29 <Zakim> -AZ

Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ

15:57:05 <davidwood> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible

David Wood: RRSAgent, set logs world-visible

15:57:17 <Zakim> -LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF

15:57:18 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended

15:57:20 <Zakim> Attendees were AZ, davidwood, gavinc, Scott_Bauer, Arnaud, pchampin, mischat, cygri, zwu2, LeeF, MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were AZ, davidwood, gavinc, Scott_Bauer, Arnaud, pchampin, mischat, cygri, zwu2, LeeF, MacTed

16:07:16 <AZ> argh, the scribe was not specified

(No events recorded for 9 minutes)

argh, the scribe was not specified

16:07:49 <AZ> the generated minutes are not ok

the generated minutes are not ok

16:09:23 <mischat> should do the trick

Mischa Tuffield: should do the trick

16:18:26 <mischat> can you not go in and edit the editable logs and add `scribe: XXXX and scribenick: XXX`

(No events recorded for 9 minutes)

Mischa Tuffield: can you not go in and edit the editable logs and add `scribe: XXXX and scribenick: XXX`

16:18:29 <mischat> AZ: ?

Antoine Zimmermann: ? [ Scribe Assist by Mischa Tuffield ]

16:28:55 <MacTed> scribenick: AZ
16:29:01 <MacTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes

(No events recorded for 10 minutes)

Ted Thibodeau: RRSAgent, draft minutes

16:29:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-minutes.html MacTed

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-minutes.html MacTed

16:29:56 <MacTed> that may be enough...

Ted Thibodeau: that may be enough...

16:31:02 <MacTed> chair: davidwood
16:31:05 <MacTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Ted Thibodeau: RRSAgent, draft minutes

16:31:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-minutes.html MacTed

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-minutes.html MacTed

16:31:47 <MacTed> RRSAgent, help

Ted Thibodeau: RRSAgent, help

16:32:53 <gavinc> RRSAgent isn't what we use for Minutes BTW

Gavin Carothers: RRSAgent isn't what we use for Minutes BTW

16:33:02 <MacTed> chair: David Wood
16:33:12 <MacTed> bah.

Ted Thibodeau: bah.

16:33:49 <MacTed> competing systems that do the same thing...  I loves them!  :-/

Ted Thibodeau: competing systems that do the same thing... I loves them! :-/

16:37:16 <MacTed> trackbot, end meeting

Ted Thibodeau: trackbot, end meeting

16:37:16 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

16:37:16 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

16:37:17 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

16:37:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot

16:37:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

16:37:18 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :

16:37:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: david to mail Yves if we can get to BBC later [1]

ACTION: david to mail Yves if we can get to BBC later [1]

16:37:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-irc#T15-17-13

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-irc#T15-17-13

16:37:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: cygri to respond to Sandro's trust use case [2]

ACTION: cygri to respond to Sandro's trust use case [2]

16:37:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-irc#T15-40-05

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-irc#T15-40-05



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