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14:59:40 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/08/17-rdf-wg-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/08/17-rdf-wg-irc ←
14:59:49 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
14:59:53 <AndyS> rrsagent, make logs public
Andy Seaborne: rrsagent, make logs public ←
15:00:13 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here? ←
15:00:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, +20598aaaa, Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, +20598aaaa, Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
15:00:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see mischat_, mbrunati, RRSAgent, Zakim, FabGandon, AndyS, Scott_Bauer, Guus, gavinc, cygri, MacTed, mischat, tomayac, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, trackbot, NickH, manu,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see mischat_, mbrunati, RRSAgent, Zakim, FabGandon, AndyS, Scott_Bauer, Guus, gavinc, cygri, MacTed, mischat, tomayac, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, trackbot, NickH, manu, ←
15:00:16 <SteveH> Zakim, what is the code?
Steve Harris: Zakim, what is the code? ←
15:00:16 <Zakim> ... ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: ... ericP ←
15:00:17 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), SteveH
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), SteveH ←
15:00:33 <Zakim> +DavidW
Zakim IRC Bot: +DavidW ←
15:00:34 <Guus> zakim, who is yalking?
Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is yalking? ←
15:00:34 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Guus.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, Guus. ←
15:00:44 <pfps> sounds LOVELY!
Peter Patel-Schneider: sounds LOVELY! ←
15:00:45 <Guus> Zakim, who is talking?
Guus Schreiber: Zakim, who is talking? ←
15:00:52 <Zakim> +Marcelo
Zakim IRC Bot: +Marcelo ←
15:00:56 <Zakim> Guus, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (59%)
Zakim IRC Bot: Guus, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (59%) ←
15:00:58 <cygri> zakim, Marcelo is me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, Marcelo is me ←
15:00:58 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
15:01:03 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software ←
15:01:07 <Zakim> +??P9
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9 ←
15:01:12 <davidwood> Zakim, DavidW is me
David Wood: Zakim, DavidW is me ←
15:01:13 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
15:01:14 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P9 is [Garlik]
Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P9 is [Garlik] ←
15:01:14 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:01:15 <AndyS> redialing ...
Andy Seaborne: redialing ... ←
15:01:17 <Zakim> +davidwood; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +davidwood; got it ←
15:01:19 <Zakim> +Tony
Zakim IRC Bot: +Tony ←
15:01:21 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←
15:01:23 <Zakim> +[Garlik]; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +[Garlik]; got it ←
15:01:25 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:01:29 <Zakim> +tomayac
Zakim IRC Bot: +tomayac ←
15:01:31 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:01:31 <SteveH> Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat
Steve Harris: Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat ←
15:01:32 <Scott_Bauer> zakim, tony is me
Scott Bauer: zakim, tony is me ←
15:01:43 <Zakim> +SteveH, mischat; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH, mischat; got it ←
15:01:45 <Zakim> +Scott_Bauer; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Scott_Bauer; got it ←
15:01:57 <Zakim> +??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←
15:02:03 <AndyS> zakim, ??P12 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P12 is me ←
15:02:09 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:02:14 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here? ←
15:02:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see +20598aaaa, Peter_Patel-Schneider, davidwood, cygri, MacTed (muted), [Garlik], Scott_Bauer, tomayac, AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +20598aaaa, Peter_Patel-Schneider, davidwood, cygri, MacTed (muted), [Garlik], Scott_Bauer, tomayac, AndyS ←
15:02:28 <zwu2> zakim, code?
15:02:30 <Zakim> [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat
Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat ←
15:02:42 <Zakim> +ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP ←
15:02:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see zwu2, pfps, mischat, mbrunati, RRSAgent, Zakim, FabGandon, AndyS, Scott_Bauer, Guus, gavinc, cygri, MacTed, tomayac, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, trackbot, NickH, manu,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see zwu2, pfps, mischat, mbrunati, RRSAgent, Zakim, FabGandon, AndyS, Scott_Bauer, Guus, gavinc, cygri, MacTed, tomayac, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, trackbot, NickH, manu, ←
15:02:55 <Zakim> ... ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: ... ericP ←
15:02:57 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2 ←
15:03:05 <Zakim> + +1.707.861.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.707.861.aabb ←
15:03:12 <gavinc> zakim, aabb is me
Gavin Carothers: zakim, aabb is me ←
15:03:31 <Zakim> +gavinc; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +gavinc; got it ←
15:04:19 <Zakim> +[Sophia]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[Sophia] ←
15:04:30 <Zakim> +??P21
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21 ←
15:04:33 <Zakim> + +1.650.265.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.650.265.aacc ←
15:04:44 <pchampin> zakim, ??P21 is me
Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, ??P21 is me ←
15:04:44 <zwu2> zakim, +1.650.265.aacc is me
Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.650.265.aacc is me ←
15:04:49 <zwu2> zakim, mute me
15:04:50 <FabGandon> Zakim, +[Sophia] is me
Fabien Gandon: Zakim, +[Sophia] is me ←
15:04:59 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pchampin; got it ←
15:04:59 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.08.17
Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.08.17 ←
15:05:01 <Zakim> +zwu2; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2; got it ←
15:05:02 <pchampin> zakim, mute me
Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, mute me ←
15:05:09 <Zakim> zwu2 should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: zwu2 should now be muted ←
15:05:11 <Zakim> sorry, FabGandon, I do not recognize a party named '+[Sophia]'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, FabGandon, I do not recognize a party named '+[Sophia]' ←
15:05:19 <Zakim> pchampin should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pchampin should now be muted ←
15:05:21 <FabGandon> zakim, sophia is me
Fabien Gandon: zakim, sophia is me ←
15:05:30 <gavinc> gavinc has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.08.17 (gavinc)
Gavin Carothers: gavinc has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.08.17 (gavinc) ←
15:05:35 <Zakim> +FabGandon; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +FabGandon; got it ←
15:05:37 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here? ←
15:05:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see +20598aaaa, Peter_Patel-Schneider, davidwood, cygri, MacTed (muted), [Garlik], Scott_Bauer, tomayac, AndyS, ericP, gavinc, FabGandon, pchampin (muted), zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +20598aaaa, Peter_Patel-Schneider, davidwood, cygri, MacTed (muted), [Garlik], Scott_Bauer, tomayac, AndyS, ericP, gavinc, FabGandon, pchampin (muted), zwu2 ←
15:05:43 <ericP> ericP has changed the topic to: RDF WG telecon: agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.08.17
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ericP has changed the topic to: RDF WG telecon: agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.08.17 ←
15:05:48 <Zakim> ... (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted) ←
15:05:54 <Zakim> [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat
Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat ←
15:05:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see PatHayes, pchampin, zwu2, pfps, mischat, mbrunati, RRSAgent, Zakim, FabGandon, AndyS, Scott_Bauer, Guus, gavinc, cygri, MacTed, tomayac, SteveH, davidwood, manu1,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see PatHayes, pchampin, zwu2, pfps, mischat, mbrunati, RRSAgent, Zakim, FabGandon, AndyS, Scott_Bauer, Guus, gavinc, cygri, MacTed, tomayac, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, ←
15:06:01 <Zakim> ... trackbot, NickH, manu, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot, NickH, manu, ericP ←
15:06:04 <Zakim> +PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH ←
15:06:38 <PatHayes> zakim, mute me
Patrick Hayes: zakim, mute me ←
15:06:38 <Zakim> sorry, PatHayes, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, PatHayes, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
15:07:27 <PatHayes> PatHayes is PatH
Patrick Hayes: PatHayes is PatH ←
15:08:38 <ericP> PROPOSED: accept http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-08-03 as a record of the 3 Aug telecon as amended per http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.08.17
PROPOSED: accept http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-08-03 as a record of the 3 Aug telecon as amended per http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.08.17 ←
15:09:48 <ericP> APPROVED
Eric Prud'hommeaux: APPROVED ←
15:09:55 <ericP> RESOLVED
Eric Prud'hommeaux: RESOLVED ←
15:09:59 <mischat> zakim, +PatH is PatHayes
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, +PatH is PatHayes ←
15:09:59 <Zakim> sorry, mischat, I do not recognize a party named '+PatH'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mischat, I do not recognize a party named '+PatH' ←
15:11:07 <mbrunati> sorry guys today I'm only via irc, some problems with the audio
Matteo Brunati: sorry guys today I'm only via irc, some problems with the audio ←
15:11:14 <ericP> ACTION: FabGandon to implement http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-08-03#resolution_2
ACTION: FabGandon to implement http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-08-03#resolution_2 ←
15:11:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - Implement http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-08-03#resolution_2 [on Fabien Gandon - due 2011-08-24].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-73 - Implement http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-08-03#resolution_2 [on Fabien Gandon - due 2011-08-24]. ←
15:13:48 <Zakim> +??P29
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P29 ←
15:13:58 <NickH> Zakim, ??P29 is me
Nicholas Humfrey: Zakim, ??P29 is me ←
15:13:58 <Zakim> +NickH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +NickH; got it ←
15:14:02 <NickH> zakim, mute me
Nicholas Humfrey: zakim, mute me ←
15:14:02 <Zakim> NickH should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: NickH should now be muted ←
15:14:10 <Zakim> +Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri ←
15:14:16 <ericP> ACTION-65: CONTINUED
Scribe problem: the name 'ACTION-65' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Jean-François Baget Adrien BASSE Scott Bauer Dan Brickley Matteo Brunati Gaoussou CAMARA Gavin Carothers Jeremy Carroll Pierre-Antoine Champin Kiu Ching Chieh Olivier Corby Richard Cyganiak Souripriya Das Ian Davis Lee Feigenbaum Fabien Gandon Alex Hall Steve Harris Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Patrick Hayes Ivan Herman Nicholas Humfrey Kingsley Idehen Dickson Lukose Christopher Matheus Ivan Mikhailov Peter Patel-Schneider Axel Polleres Eric Prud'hommeaux Yves Raimond Nathan Rixham Guus Schreiber Andy Seaborne Manu Sporny Thomas Steiner Mouhamadou THIAM Ted Thibodeau Mischa Tuffield William Waites Jan Wielemaker David Wood Zhe Wu Mohamed ZERGAOUI Antoine Zimmermann Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ACTION-65: CONTINUED [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:14:16 <trackbot> ACTION-65 And Pat to consider what words to add to minimal proposal. notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-65 And Pat to consider what words to add to minimal proposal. notes added ←
15:14:29 <ericP> ACTION-66: CONTINUED
Scribe problem: the name 'ACTION-66' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Jean-François Baget Adrien BASSE Scott Bauer Dan Brickley Matteo Brunati Gaoussou CAMARA Gavin Carothers Jeremy Carroll Pierre-Antoine Champin Kiu Ching Chieh Olivier Corby Richard Cyganiak Souripriya Das Ian Davis Lee Feigenbaum Fabien Gandon Alex Hall Steve Harris Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Patrick Hayes Ivan Herman Nicholas Humfrey Kingsley Idehen Dickson Lukose Christopher Matheus Ivan Mikhailov Peter Patel-Schneider Axel Polleres Eric Prud'hommeaux Yves Raimond Nathan Rixham Guus Schreiber Andy Seaborne Manu Sporny Thomas Steiner Mouhamadou THIAM Ted Thibodeau Mischa Tuffield William Waites Jan Wielemaker David Wood Zhe Wu Mohamed ZERGAOUI Antoine Zimmermann Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ACTION-66: CONTINUED [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:14:29 <trackbot> ACTION-66 Contact Paul notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-66 Contact Paul notes added ←
15:14:47 <ericP> ACTION-67: CONTINUED
Scribe problem: the name 'ACTION-67' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Jean-François Baget Adrien BASSE Scott Bauer Dan Brickley Matteo Brunati Gaoussou CAMARA Gavin Carothers Jeremy Carroll Pierre-Antoine Champin Kiu Ching Chieh Olivier Corby Richard Cyganiak Souripriya Das Ian Davis Lee Feigenbaum Fabien Gandon Alex Hall Steve Harris Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Patrick Hayes Ivan Herman Nicholas Humfrey Kingsley Idehen Dickson Lukose Christopher Matheus Ivan Mikhailov Peter Patel-Schneider Axel Polleres Eric Prud'hommeaux Yves Raimond Nathan Rixham Guus Schreiber Andy Seaborne Manu Sporny Thomas Steiner Mouhamadou THIAM Ted Thibodeau Mischa Tuffield William Waites Jan Wielemaker David Wood Zhe Wu Mohamed ZERGAOUI Antoine Zimmermann Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ACTION-67: CONTINUED [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:14:47 <trackbot> ACTION-67 Review Pierre-A's comments on SPARQL graph store upade protocol notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-67 Review Pierre-A's comments on SPARQL graph store upade protocol notes added ←
15:15:07 <ericP> ACTION-68: CONTINUED
Scribe problem: the name 'ACTION-68' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Jean-François Baget Adrien BASSE Scott Bauer Dan Brickley Matteo Brunati Gaoussou CAMARA Gavin Carothers Jeremy Carroll Pierre-Antoine Champin Kiu Ching Chieh Olivier Corby Richard Cyganiak Souripriya Das Ian Davis Lee Feigenbaum Fabien Gandon Alex Hall Steve Harris Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Patrick Hayes Ivan Herman Nicholas Humfrey Kingsley Idehen Dickson Lukose Christopher Matheus Ivan Mikhailov Peter Patel-Schneider Axel Polleres Eric Prud'hommeaux Yves Raimond Nathan Rixham Guus Schreiber Andy Seaborne Manu Sporny Thomas Steiner Mouhamadou THIAM Ted Thibodeau Mischa Tuffield William Waites Jan Wielemaker David Wood Zhe Wu Mohamed ZERGAOUI Antoine Zimmermann Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ACTION-68: CONTINUED [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:15:07 <trackbot> ACTION-68 Review Pierre-A's comments on SPARQL graph store upade protocol notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-68 Review Pierre-A's comments on SPARQL graph store upade protocol notes added ←
15:15:47 <ericP> ACTION-69: CONTINUED
Scribe problem: the name 'ACTION-69' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Jean-François Baget Adrien BASSE Scott Bauer Dan Brickley Matteo Brunati Gaoussou CAMARA Gavin Carothers Jeremy Carroll Pierre-Antoine Champin Kiu Ching Chieh Olivier Corby Richard Cyganiak Souripriya Das Ian Davis Lee Feigenbaum Fabien Gandon Alex Hall Steve Harris Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Patrick Hayes Ivan Herman Nicholas Humfrey Kingsley Idehen Dickson Lukose Christopher Matheus Ivan Mikhailov Peter Patel-Schneider Axel Polleres Eric Prud'hommeaux Yves Raimond Nathan Rixham Guus Schreiber Andy Seaborne Manu Sporny Thomas Steiner Mouhamadou THIAM Ted Thibodeau Mischa Tuffield William Waites Jan Wielemaker David Wood Zhe Wu Mohamed ZERGAOUI Antoine Zimmermann Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ACTION-69: CONTINUED [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:15:47 <trackbot> ACTION-69 Update Turtle issue list to reflect current status notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-69 Update Turtle issue list to reflect current status notes added ←
15:16:03 <ericP> ACTION-70: CONTINUED
Scribe problem: the name 'ACTION-70' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Jean-François Baget Adrien BASSE Scott Bauer Dan Brickley Matteo Brunati Gaoussou CAMARA Gavin Carothers Jeremy Carroll Pierre-Antoine Champin Kiu Ching Chieh Olivier Corby Richard Cyganiak Souripriya Das Ian Davis Lee Feigenbaum Fabien Gandon Alex Hall Steve Harris Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Patrick Hayes Ivan Herman Nicholas Humfrey Kingsley Idehen Dickson Lukose Christopher Matheus Ivan Mikhailov Peter Patel-Schneider Axel Polleres Eric Prud'hommeaux Yves Raimond Nathan Rixham Guus Schreiber Andy Seaborne Manu Sporny Thomas Steiner Mouhamadou THIAM Ted Thibodeau Mischa Tuffield William Waites Jan Wielemaker David Wood Zhe Wu Mohamed ZERGAOUI Antoine Zimmermann Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ACTION-70: CONTINUED [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:16:03 <trackbot> ACTION-70 Send email to provenance WG chairs about a joint call notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-70 Send email to provenance WG chairs about a joint call notes added ←
15:16:08 <ericP> ACTION-71: CONTINUED
Scribe problem: the name 'ACTION-71' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Jean-François Baget Adrien BASSE Scott Bauer Dan Brickley Matteo Brunati Gaoussou CAMARA Gavin Carothers Jeremy Carroll Pierre-Antoine Champin Kiu Ching Chieh Olivier Corby Richard Cyganiak Souripriya Das Ian Davis Lee Feigenbaum Fabien Gandon Alex Hall Steve Harris Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Patrick Hayes Ivan Herman Nicholas Humfrey Kingsley Idehen Dickson Lukose Christopher Matheus Ivan Mikhailov Peter Patel-Schneider Axel Polleres Eric Prud'hommeaux Yves Raimond Nathan Rixham Guus Schreiber Andy Seaborne Manu Sporny Thomas Steiner Mouhamadou THIAM Ted Thibodeau Mischa Tuffield William Waites Jan Wielemaker David Wood Zhe Wu Mohamed ZERGAOUI Antoine Zimmermann Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ACTION-71: CONTINUED [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:16:09 <trackbot> ACTION-71 Email team-prov-chairs@w3.org about joint task force, or something. maybe include RDFa and SPARQL notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-71 Email team-prov-chairs@w3.org about joint task force, or something. maybe include RDFa and SPARQL notes added ←
15:17:06 <ericP> topic: next telecon
15:17:38 <ericP> davidwood: i proposed by email that ivan chair a meeting about RDF JSON work
David Wood: i proposed by email that ivan chair a meeting about RDF JSON work [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:17:52 <ericP> whois tomayac
Eric Prud'hommeaux: whois tomayac ←
15:18:25 <ericP> tomayac: Ian will put the doc in version control and we'll review
Thomas Steiner: Ian will put the doc in version control and we'll review [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:18:41 <ericP> ... in 1.5 weeks we should have something to disucss re: JSON
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... in 1.5 weeks we should have something to disucss re: JSON ←
15:19:15 <ericP> davidwood: does the JSON LD work obviate our need to continue our work?
David Wood: does the JSON LD work obviate our need to continue our work? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:19:37 <ericP> tomayac: i'm slightly confused about the JSON LD work
Thomas Steiner: i'm slightly confused about the JSON LD work [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:19:50 <manu> zakim, code?
Manu Sporny: zakim, code? ←
15:19:50 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), manu
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), manu ←
15:20:02 <ericP> ... ivan said we'd start with the Talis JSON and proceed to JSON LD
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... ivan said we'd start with the Talis JSON and proceed to JSON LD ←
15:20:18 <Zakim> +??P32
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P32 ←
15:20:20 <ericP> ... progress in the JSON LD task force
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... progress in the JSON LD task force ←
15:20:24 <manu> zakim, I am ??P32
Manu Sporny: zakim, I am ??P32 ←
15:20:24 <Zakim> +manu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +manu; got it ←
15:20:54 <manu> q+
Manu Sporny: q+ ←
15:21:14 <ericP> davidwood: given manu's assertion that JSON LD meets all stated use cases so perhaps we should avoid making a competing spec
David Wood: given manu's assertion that JSON LD meets all stated use cases so perhaps we should avoid making a competing spec [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:21:31 <ericP> manu: i still need to review the RDF JSON use cases
Manu Sporny: i still need to review the RDF JSON use cases [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:21:55 <ericP> ... some diligence required to confirm the claim that JSON LD work meets all stated use cases
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... some diligence required to confirm the claim that JSON LD work meets all stated use cases ←
15:22:04 <ericP> ... should have a document in 2 months
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... should have a document in 2 months ←
15:22:20 <ericP> ... (JSON LD)
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... (JSON LD) ←
15:22:53 <ericP> ... we just need to examine both approaches
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... we just need to examine both approaches ←
15:23:09 <gavinc> http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/
Gavin Carothers: http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/ ←
15:23:23 <manu> http://json-ld.org/playground/
Manu Sporny: http://json-ld.org/playground/ ←
15:23:41 <ericP> ... there's a JSON LD playground which shows the choices of input and output
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... there's a JSON LD playground which shows the choices of input and output ←
15:24:08 <ericP> ... shows a set of examples in different JSON representations
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... shows a set of examples in different JSON representations ←
15:24:22 <ericP> ... spec defines the round-trip to RDF/XML
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... spec defines the round-trip to RDF/XML ←
15:24:40 <ericP> ... the first 20% should be sufficient prep for next week
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... the first 20% should be sufficient prep for next week ←
15:25:04 <ericP> ... then go ahead and play with the playground
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... then go ahead and play with the playground ←
15:25:30 <ericP> ACTION: manu to send JSON discussion preparation message to public-rdf-wd
ACTION: manu to send JSON discussion preparation message to public-rdf-wd ←
15:25:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-74 - Send JSON discussion preparation message to public-rdf-wd [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-08-24].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-74 - Send JSON discussion preparation message to public-rdf-wd [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-08-24]. ←
15:25:31 <tomayac> it was resolved in http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/2
Thomas Steiner: it was resolved in http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/2 ←
15:25:53 <ericP> next telecon: 24 Aug
Eric Prud'hommeaux: next telecon: 24 Aug ←
15:25:54 <tomayac> from issue 2: "(1) Incubate on something like JSON-LD, (2) make a REC on something like Talis RDF/JSON, and (3) make a Note on current practice stuff like Linked Data API, at FTF1"
Thomas Steiner: from ISSUE-2: "(1) Incubate on something like JSON-LD, (2) make a REC on something like Talis RDF/JSON, and (3) make a Note on current practice stuff like Linked Data API, at FTF1" ←
15:26:06 <ericP> topic FTF2 Admin
Eric Prud'hommeaux: topic FTF2 Admin ←
15:26:09 <ericP> topic: FTF2 Admin
15:26:21 <tomayac> ian's and my doc will thus cover (2)
Thomas Steiner: ian's and my doc will thus cover (2) ←
15:26:31 <ericP> Guus: please fill in http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F2
Guus Schreiber: please fill in http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F2 [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:26:59 <ericP> cygri: we need UK site decision expected next week
Richard Cyganiak: we need UK site decision expected next week [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:27:08 <ericP> ... would help to know how many folks to expect
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... would help to know how many folks to expect ←
15:27:14 <NickH> If people want to have a meeting in London, then I am sure the BBC can work something out
Nicholas Humfrey: If people want to have a meeting in London, then I am sure the BBC can work something out ←
15:27:15 <ericP> Guus: i see 4 so far
Guus Schreiber: i see 4 so far [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:27:27 <NickH> we have a lot of meeting rooms!
Nicholas Humfrey: we have a lot of meeting rooms! ←
15:27:38 <pchampin> I didn't update the wiki page yet, but I will only be able to join if there is a european location
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I didn't update the wiki page yet, but I will only be able to join if there is a european location ←
15:27:39 <gavinc> It looked like it was a Europe F2F with a remote at MIT ;)
Gavin Carothers: It looked like it was a Europe F2F with a remote at MIT ;) ←
15:27:59 <AndyS> OxfordU/comp lab has a setup that works with MIT [no WG member?]
Andy Seaborne: OxfordU/comp lab has a setup that works with MIT [no WG member?] ←
15:28:06 <ericP> Guus: i can imagine half in UK, half at MIT
Guus Schreiber: i can imagine half in UK, half at MIT [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:28:21 <ericP> topic: Turtle
15:28:44 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/News/2011#entry-9171 Turtle FPWD news item
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://www.w3.org/News/2011#entry-9171 Turtle FPWD news item ←
15:28:50 <mischat> i had asked soton uni, but it coincided with the "freshers week" which meant that rooms would have been hard to come by
Mischa Tuffield: i had asked soton uni, but it coincided with the "freshers week" which meant that rooms would have been hard to come by ←
15:28:57 <ericP> Guus: editors need to monitor the comments list
Guus Schreiber: editors need to monitor the comments list [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:29:22 <Zakim> -manu
Zakim IRC Bot: -manu ←
15:29:53 <ericP> ... someone should mail the semweb lists
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... someone should mail the semweb lists ←
15:30:07 <ericP> gavinc: already one feedback from bob charm
Gavin Carothers: already one feedback from bob charm [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:30:51 <ericP> ACTION: Guus to send mail to semantic web and LOD lists requesting feedback on Turtle FPWD
ACTION: Guus to send mail to semantic web and LOD lists requesting feedback on Turtle FPWD ←
15:30:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-75 - Send mail to semantic web and LOD lists requesting feedback on Turtle FPWD [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-08-24].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-75 - Send mail to semantic web and LOD lists requesting feedback on Turtle FPWD [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-08-24]. ←
15:31:10 <ericP> Guus: if folks want to distribute this more widely, go ahead
Guus Schreiber: if folks want to distribute this more widely, go ahead [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:31:51 <ericP> gavinc: this WG is not lisverva subscribable
Gavin Carothers: this WG is not lisverva subscribable [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:32:51 <ericP> ericP: i don't think we've made DBWG and listserve work together
Eric Prud'hommeaux: i don't think we've made DBWG and listserve work together [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:33:05 <ericP> topic: RDF Concepts
15:33:18 <Zakim> +tomayac.a
Zakim IRC Bot: +tomayac.a ←
15:33:23 <ericP> -> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html editor's draft
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html editor's draft ←
15:33:44 <ericP> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Aug/0008.html decision to publish
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Aug/0008.html decision to publish ←
15:33:54 <cygri> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/rdf-concepts-FPWD/rdf-concepts/Overview.html
Richard Cyganiak: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/rdf-concepts-FPWD/rdf-concepts/Overview.html ←
15:33:55 <ericP> Guus: are editors still intereted in feedback?
Guus Schreiber: are editors still intereted in feedback? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:34:03 <Guus> q?
Guus Schreiber: q? ←
15:34:13 <ericP> cygri: sure, but i'd say we're good enough to publish now
Richard Cyganiak: sure, but i'd say we're good enough to publish now [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:34:28 <ericP> ... we could pick a date and get to what we can before the pub date
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... we could pick a date and get to what we can before the pub date ←
15:34:43 <ericP> davidwood: i propose we make a transition request
David Wood: i propose we make a transition request [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:35:10 <ericP> Guus: there are comments, but if you don't want to address them before publication, go ahead
Guus Schreiber: there are comments, but if you don't want to address them before publication, go ahead [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:35:24 <mischat> i have gone through the document abstract concept documents too, nothing but minor issues, i will send it round at some point soon
Mischa Tuffield: i have gone through the document abstract concept documents too, nothing but minor issues, i will send it round at some point soon ←
15:35:44 <ericP> davidwood: i'd like to make the transition request and make changes in parallel
David Wood: i'd like to make the transition request and make changes in parallel [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:35:45 <ericP> q+
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ ←
15:35:55 <ericP> q-
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q- ←
15:36:43 <gavinc> +q
Gavin Carothers: +q ←
15:37:21 <gavinc> -q
Gavin Carothers: -q ←
15:37:30 <ericP> ericP: note that the WG is permitting the editors to make changes after the decision to publish
Eric Prud'hommeaux: note that the WG is permitting the editors to make changes after the decision to publish [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:37:45 <ericP> topic: ISSUE-12 language-tagged literals
15:38:01 <davidwood> Transition request for RDF Concepts to FPWD sent
David Wood: Transition request for RDF Concepts to FPWD sent ←
15:38:34 <ericP> AndyS: cygri introduced two classes: rdf:text is the current plain literals and langstring, including xsd:string
Andy Seaborne: cygri introduced two classes: rdf:text is the current plain literals and langstring, including xsd:string [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:39:01 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
15:39:12 <ericP> PatHayes: all seems fine except the open question about whether it's a new datatype
Patrick Hayes: all seems fine except the open question about whether it's a new datatype [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:39:25 <ericP> ... i'm happy to make it a datatype; i see it's a small change
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... i'm happy to make it a datatype; i see it's a small change ←
15:39:38 <mischat> ok
Mischa Tuffield: ok ←
15:39:38 <cygri> q-
Richard Cyganiak: q- ←
15:39:45 <ericP> ... there are some who see this change as large
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... there are some who see this change as large ←
15:40:13 <gavinc> can OWL datatype properties be used with literals without a datatype?
Gavin Carothers: can OWL datatype properties be used with literals without a datatype? ←
15:40:23 <AndyS> sorry - will redial
Andy Seaborne: sorry - will redial ←
15:40:30 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:40:55 <ericP> ... what value do we get out of it being a datatype?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... what value do we get out of it being a datatype? ←
15:41:06 <ericP> AndyS: principally uniformity
Andy Seaborne: principally uniformity [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:41:09 <Zakim> +??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←
15:41:16 <AndyS> zakim, ??P12 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P12 is me ←
15:41:16 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:42:02 <ericP> AndyS: current datatype of "" or ""@en is an error
Andy Seaborne: current datatype of "" or ""@en is an error [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:42:04 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
15:42:36 <AndyS> rdf:LangString
Scribe problem: the name 'rdf' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Jean-François Baget Adrien BASSE Scott Bauer Dan Brickley Matteo Brunati Gaoussou CAMARA Gavin Carothers Jeremy Carroll Pierre-Antoine Champin Kiu Ching Chieh Olivier Corby Richard Cyganiak Souripriya Das Ian Davis Lee Feigenbaum Fabien Gandon Alex Hall Steve Harris Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Patrick Hayes Ivan Herman Nicholas Humfrey Kingsley Idehen Dickson Lukose Christopher Matheus Ivan Mikhailov Peter Patel-Schneider Axel Polleres Eric Prud'hommeaux Yves Raimond Nathan Rixham Guus Schreiber Andy Seaborne Manu Sporny Thomas Steiner Mouhamadou THIAM Ted Thibodeau Mischa Tuffield William Waites Jan Wielemaker David Wood Zhe Wu Mohamed ZERGAOUI Antoine Zimmermann Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown rdf: LangString [ Scribe Assist by Andy Seaborne ] ←
15:42:38 <ericP> PatHayes: i see that as sufficient motivation to make rdf:langString a datatype
Patrick Hayes: i see that as sufficient motivation to make rdf:langString a datatype [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:43:02 <ericP> cygri: an concearned that this proposal changes the way datatypes work
Richard Cyganiak: an concearned that this proposal changes the way datatypes work [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:43:17 <manu> ack manu
Manu Sporny: ack manu ←
15:43:19 <Guus> q+
Guus Schreiber: q+ ←
15:43:26 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:43:38 <ericP> ... lang-tagged string has an atypical lexical form
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... lang-tagged string has an atypical lexical form ←
15:43:46 <ericP> ... is there a work-around?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... is there a work-around? ←
15:44:22 <ericP> ... e.g. say that rdf:langStrings have no lexical to value mapping?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... e.g. say that rdf:langStrings have no lexical to value mapping? ←
15:45:25 <ericP> AndyS: a few options:
Andy Seaborne: a few options: [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:45:26 <Guus> q?
Guus Schreiber: q? ←
15:45:30 <cygri> ackm e
Richard Cyganiak: ackm e ←
15:45:31 <cygri> ack me
Richard Cyganiak: ack me ←
15:45:36 <Guus> ack me
Guus Schreiber: ack me ←
15:45:42 <Guus> ack AndyS
Guus Schreiber: ack AndyS ←
15:45:51 <manu> zakim, who is on the call?
Manu Sporny: zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:45:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see +20598aaaa, Peter_Patel-Schneider, davidwood, cygri, MacTed (muted), [Garlik], Scott_Bauer, tomayac, ericP, gavinc, FabGandon, pchampin (muted), zwu2 (muted),
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +20598aaaa, Peter_Patel-Schneider, davidwood, cygri, MacTed (muted), [Garlik], Scott_Bauer, tomayac, ericP, gavinc, FabGandon, pchampin (muted), zwu2 (muted), ←
15:45:54 <ericP> ... cygri's: that there be no valid LtoV for rdf:langStrings
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... cygri's: that there be no valid LtoV for rdf:langStrings ←
15:45:55 <Zakim> ... PatH, NickH (muted), Souri, tomayac.a, AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: ... PatH, NickH (muted), Souri, tomayac.a, AndyS ←
15:45:56 <Zakim> [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat
Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat ←
15:46:40 <ericP> ... modify the LtoV, which is parameterized by the datatype. extend the function to take a language parameter
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... modify the LtoV, which is parameterized by the datatype. extend the function to take a language parameter ←
15:46:50 <pchampin> q+
15:47:03 <ericP> PatHayes: can say that LtoV operates on a lexical form + a tag
Patrick Hayes: can say that LtoV operates on a lexical form + a tag [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:47:17 <AndyS> ack me
Andy Seaborne: ack me ←
15:47:28 <Guus> ack pchampin
Guus Schreiber: ack pchampin ←
15:47:44 <PatHayes> very rough sound
Patrick Hayes: very rough sound ←
15:47:59 <PatHayes> better
Patrick Hayes: better ←
15:48:03 <AndyS> could you type into IRC?
Andy Seaborne: could you type into IRC? ←
15:48:18 <NickH> sorry, can't understand
Nicholas Humfrey: sorry, can't understand ←
15:48:25 <pchampin> sorry
Pierre-Antoine Champin: sorry ←
15:48:38 <gavinc> zakim, mute pchampin
Gavin Carothers: zakim, mute pchampin ←
15:48:38 <Zakim> pchampin should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pchampin should now be muted ←
15:48:43 <pchampin> to AndyS's remark: having a valid lexical form makes it cumbersome, see PlainLiteral
Pierre-Antoine Champin: to AndyS's remark: having a valid lexical form makes it cumbersome, see PlainLiteral ←
15:48:56 <PatHayes> agree.
Patrick Hayes: agree. ←
15:49:15 <pchampin> to Pat's remark: using the full lexical form will raise problems with Turtle, which has syntactic sugar for some datatypes
Pierre-Antoine Champin: to Pat's remark: using the full lexical form will raise problems with Turtle, which has syntactic sugar for some datatypes ←
15:49:55 <AndyS> The lexical part is the string - not encoded (c.f. rdf:PlainLiteral). Add extra info to the process by some means
Andy Seaborne: The lexical part is the string - not encoded (c.f. rdf:PlainLiteral). Add extra info to the process by some means ←
15:50:00 <PatHayes> any syntax that can describe tags, can be used unchanged.
Patrick Hayes: any syntax that can describe tags, can be used unchanged. ←
15:50:00 <ericP> cygri: it looks like we have consensus about what we want rdf:langString to look like, but we need to work to implementation details
Richard Cyganiak: it looks like we have consensus about what we want rdf:langString to look like, but we need to work to implementation details [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:50:16 <PatHayes> the only change is to the abstract model.
Patrick Hayes: the only change is to the abstract model. ←
15:50:40 <ericP> ... this will change the terminology. past changes and these invalidate the term "plain literal"
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... this will change the terminology. past changes and these invalidate the term "plain literal" ←
15:50:46 <PatHayes> 'plain
Patrick Hayes: 'plain ←
15:50:58 <PatHayes> ' is now a type. no prblem
Patrick Hayes: ' is now a type. no prblem ←
15:51:00 <PatHayes> ;-
Patrick Hayes: ;- ←
15:51:04 <AndyS> I don't think it must change Turtle - it's a mechanism along side short forms like integer or decimal or double.
Andy Seaborne: I don't think it must change Turtle - it's a mechanism along side short forms like integer or decimal or double. ←
15:51:15 <ericP> ... we want to avoid the impression that we've radically changed the language (which i don't believe we have)
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... we want to avoid the impression that we've radically changed the language (which i don't believe we have) ←
15:51:19 <AndyS> plain literal = rdf:Text
Andy Seaborne: plain literal = rdf:Text ←
15:51:20 <AndyS> ??
Andy Seaborne: ?? ←
15:51:29 <ericP> Guus: you can connect the old terminology to the current form
Guus Schreiber: you can connect the old terminology to the current form [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:51:40 <PatHayes> really, this is a storm in a teacup.
Patrick Hayes: really, this is a storm in a teacup. ←
15:52:22 <PatHayes> I could try to summarize the options in an email.
Patrick Hayes: I could try to summarize the options in an email. ←
15:52:36 <PatHayes> I see four so far.
Patrick Hayes: I see four so far. ←
15:52:38 <PatHayes> yes
Patrick Hayes: yes ←
15:52:51 <ericP> ericP: are there any disiderada which help us figure the implementation
Eric Prud'hommeaux: are there any disiderada which help us figure the implementation [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:52:52 <PatHayes> ok
Patrick Hayes: ok ←
15:53:05 <AndyS> Thanks Pat
Andy Seaborne: Thanks Pat ←
15:53:21 <ericP> ACTION: PatHayes to summarize the options
ACTION: PatHayes to summarize the options ←
15:53:21 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - PatHayes
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - PatHayes ←
15:53:28 <ericP> ACTION: PatH to summarize the options
ACTION: PatH to summarize the options ←
15:53:35 <ericP> action -4
Eric Prud'hommeaux: action -4 ←
15:54:07 <ericP> Guus: editors will have to look closely at PatHayes's summary
Guus Schreiber: editors will have to look closely at PatHayes's summary [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:54:30 <ericP> topic: WG priorities before F2F
15:55:16 <ericP> Guus: which are the highest priority issues?
Guus Schreiber: which are the highest priority issues? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:55:20 <pchampin> +1
15:55:20 <ericP> ... propose named graphs
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... propose named graphs ←
15:55:37 <ericP> cygri: agreed. the rdf:langString seems to be making good progress
Richard Cyganiak: agreed. the rdf:langString seems to be making good progress [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:56:25 <ericP> davidwood: we're going to have a hard time writing documents and proposing changes to SPARQL until we have nailed down the multi-graph terminology
David Wood: we're going to have a hard time writing documents and proposing changes to SPARQL until we have nailed down the multi-graph terminology [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:56:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-76 - Summarize the options [on Patrick Hayes - due 2011-08-24].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-76 - Summarize the options [on Patrick Hayes - due 2011-08-24]. ←
15:56:37 <trackbot> Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, bad ACTION syntax ←
15:56:42 <ericP> Guus: ok, multi-graph. what else?
Guus Schreiber: ok, multi-graph. what else? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:56:58 <ericP> cygri: what are the objections against using the SPARQL dataset design?
Richard Cyganiak: what are the objections against using the SPARQL dataset design? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:57:16 <ericP> ... sandro, pchampin, PatHayes aren't happy
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... sandro, pchampin, PatHayes aren't happy ←
15:59:31 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-Graphs/RDF-Datasets-Proposal
Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-Graphs/RDF-Datasets-Proposal ←
15:59:47 <ericP> ACTION: cygri to add strawman rdf dataset proposal to concepts
ACTION: cygri to add strawman rdf dataset proposal to concepts ←
15:59:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-77 - Add strawman rdf dataset proposal to concepts [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2011-08-24].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-77 - Add strawman rdf dataset proposal to concepts [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2011-08-24]. ←
16:00:06 <PatHayes> Actually, PatH is getting to the point where he almost doesnt care what terminology is used, as long as we settle on something.
Patrick Hayes: Actually, PatH is getting to the point where he almost doesnt care what terminology is used, as long as we settle on something. ←
16:00:07 <AndyS> Probably too weak/loose/open/flexible for this WG
Andy Seaborne: Probably too weak/loose/open/flexible for this WG ←
16:00:19 <ericP> Guus: priorities for Turtle?
Guus Schreiber: priorities for Turtle? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
16:00:25 <pchampin> @cygri: I have to get up to date with the mailing list (I'm just back from holiday), but I as soon as I'm up to date, I can try to summarize in a mail what makes me unhappy in the SPARQL dataset model
Pierre-Antoine Champin: @cygri: I have to get up to date with the mailing list (I'm just back from holiday), but I as soon as I'm up to date, I can try to summarize in a mail what makes me unhappy in the SPARQL dataset model ←
16:01:33 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Documents#N-Triples
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Documents#N-Triples ←
16:01:48 <ericP> gavinc: talking to AndyS yesterday, ericP and I thought that N-Triples would be going into the Turtle doc
Gavin Carothers: talking to AndyS yesterday, ericP and I thought that N-Triples would be going into the Turtle doc [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
16:02:00 <ericP> ... but apparently there was a WG decision to publish separately?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... but apparently there was a WG decision to publish separately? ←
16:02:57 <ericP> Guus: there are many motivations to publish separately
Guus Schreiber: there are many motivations to publish separately [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
16:03:37 <cygri> gavinc, i'm pretty sure there wasn't any resolution on this yet. discussion but no resolution. discussion is in the F2F1 minutes, day1+day2
Richard Cyganiak: gavinc, i'm pretty sure there wasn't any resolution on this yet. discussion but no resolution. discussion is in the F2F1 minutes, day1+day2 ←
16:03:56 <ericP> ... but no cost to start with it as an appendix
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... but no cost to start with it as an appendix ←
16:04:57 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to add http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Documents#N-Triples content as an appendix to Turtle editor's draft before F2F
ACTION: ericP to add http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Documents#N-Triples content as an appendix to Turtle editor's draft before F2F ←
16:04:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-78 - Add http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Documents#N-Triples content as an appendix to Turtle editor's draft before F2F [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2011-08-24].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-78 - Add http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Documents#N-Triples content as an appendix to Turtle editor's draft before F2F [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2011-08-24]. ←
16:05:44 <Zakim> -FabGandon
Zakim IRC Bot: -FabGandon ←
16:06:03 <ericP> Guus: JSON work will be discussed next week. priority discussion deferred 'till then
Guus Schreiber: JSON work will be discussed next week. priority discussion deferred 'till then [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
16:06:42 <ericP> ... is it worth starting on the semantics document?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... is it worth starting on the semantics document? ←
16:07:03 <ericP> PatHayes: we could start in parallel noting that terminology will shift
Patrick Hayes: we could start in parallel noting that terminology will shift [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
16:07:15 <ericP> pfps, agreed?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: pfps, agreed? ←
16:09:02 <ericP> Guus: we have separate editors listed for N-Triples
Guus Schreiber: we have separate editors listed for N-Triples [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
16:09:13 <ericP> ... which means they are likely to comment on gavinc's draft
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... which means they are likely to comment on gavinc's draft ←
16:09:30 <ericP> ... i think that the primer is good to write near the end
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... i think that the primer is good to write near the end ←
16:09:41 <ericP> PatHayes: propose we gather examples
Patrick Hayes: propose we gather examples [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
16:10:38 <ericP> ACTION: Guus to discuss with FabGandon about where to put examples and what to do with primary before F2F
ACTION: Guus to discuss with FabGandon about where to put examples and what to do with primary before F2F ←
16:10:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-79 - Discuss with FabGandon about where to put examples and what to do with primary before F2F [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-08-24].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-79 - Discuss with FabGandon about where to put examples and what to do with primary before F2F [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-08-24]. ←
16:10:57 <ericP> Guus: leave Trig and quad syntax for later?
Guus Schreiber: leave Trig and quad syntax for later? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
16:11:12 <ericP> ... leave RDF/XML for later?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... leave RDF/XML for later? ←
16:11:13 <PatHayes> i have to leave soon. Andy, can you email me the current plain/lang literal terminology?
Patrick Hayes: i have to leave soon. Andy, can you email me the current plain/lang literal terminology? ←
16:11:24 <ericP> davidwood: we're motivated to touch RDF/XML only once
David Wood: we're motivated to touch RDF/XML only once [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
16:11:58 <ericP> ADJOURNED
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ADJOURNED ←
16:12:03 <AndyS> Richard - do you want to let PatH know your current state on terminology? I'll resend email he may have lost
Andy Seaborne: Richard - do you want to let PatH know your current state on terminology? I'll resend email he may have lost ←
16:12:30 <Zakim> -PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: -PatH ←
16:12:42 <AndyS> Regrets for next week.
Andy Seaborne: Regrets for next week. ←
16:12:50 <pchampin> http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual.html
Pierre-Antoine Champin: http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual.html ←
16:12:53 <cygri> AndyS, ok i'll do that
Richard Cyganiak: AndyS, ok i'll do that ←
16:12:56 <pchampin> here is the link
Pierre-Antoine Champin: here is the link ←
16:13:00 <Zakim> -davidwood
Zakim IRC Bot: -davidwood ←
16:13:04 <Zakim> -[Garlik]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[Garlik] ←
16:13:09 <cygri> ericP, http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/panel/?group=rdf-wg&go=Use+This+Group
Richard Cyganiak: ericP, http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/panel/?group=rdf-wg&go=Use+This+Group ←
16:13:11 <cygri> start there
Richard Cyganiak: start there ←
16:13:11 <Zakim> -Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri ←
16:13:13 <Zakim> -MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←
16:13:13 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
16:13:19 <Zakim> -zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2 ←
16:13:20 <Zakim> -Scott_Bauer
Zakim IRC Bot: -Scott_Bauer ←
16:13:20 <Zakim> -cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri ←
16:13:51 <ericP> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Eric Prud'hommeaux: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
16:13:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/17-rdf-wg-minutes.html ericP
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/17-rdf-wg-minutes.html ericP ←
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