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14:47:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
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14:47:25 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:47:25 <trackbot> Date: 29 June 2011
14:47:28 <LeeF> zakim, this will be rdfwg
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14:47:28 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
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14:47:33 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
14:47:38 <LeeF> ScribenickL NickH
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14:47:47 <LeeF> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.06.29
14:48:35 <LeeF> Regrets: David Wood, pfps, Thomas Steiner, FabGandon
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14:56:01 <FabGandon> Please note my regrets (Fabien Gandon, trapped in a meeting), sorry.
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14:56:58 <LeeF> Regrets+ FabGandon
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14:59:46 <AndyS1> zakim, who is on the phone?
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14:59:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see ww (muted), Scott_Bauer, gavinc, yvesr, LeeF, AndyS1
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15:00:53 <zwu2> zakim, code?
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15:01:01 <AZ> zakim, mute me
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15:03:04 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
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15:03:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see ww (muted), Scott_Bauer, gavinc, yvesr, LeeF, AndyS1, AZ (muted), pchampin (muted), AlexHall, zwu2 (muted)
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15:03:45 <AZ> what's happening with last week minutes?
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15:03:50 <AZ> I get a 404
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15:04:33 <AZ> Pat was scribe
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15:06:02 <LeeF> scribenick: gavinc
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15:06:53 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual.html
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15:07:05 <gavinc> Scribe: gavinc
15:07:18 <LeeF> (Defer approving 22-Jun minutes until next week)
Lee Feigenbaum: (Defer approving 22-Jun minutes until next week) ←
15:07:24 <gavinc> Topic: Admin
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15:09:02 <gavinc> subtopic: Action Items
15:09:03 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview ←
15:09:49 <LeeF> ACTION-56?
15:09:49 <trackbot> ACTION-56 -- Pierre-Antoine Champin to review SPARQL LC WD document -- due 2011-06-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-56 -- Pierre-Antoine Champin to review SPARQL LC WD document -- due 2011-06-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW ←
15:09:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/56
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15:10:37 <gavinc> LeeF: Have review from Pierre, looking it over about half of it touches on the graph terminology. The other half is a good review of the document in general
Lee Feigenbaum: Have review from Pierre, looking it over about half of it touches on the graph terminology. The other half is a good review of the document in general ←
15:10:50 <Zakim> +??P61
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15:10:54 <gavinc> LeeF: Do we want to use this as a start of an official review?
Lee Feigenbaum: Do we want to use this as a start of an official review? ←
15:11:12 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P61 is me
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15:11:23 <AZ> +1 as a starting point for a WG review
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 as a starting point for a WG review ←
15:11:30 <gavinc> Pierre: Original idea to have a group review, current version is more of a set of talking points. Our just submit it with my name on it.
Pierre-Antoine Champin: Original idea to have a group review, current version is more of a set of talking points. Our just submit it with my name on it. ←
15:11:52 <gavinc> LeeF: Need some way to get some consensuses around the review.
Lee Feigenbaum: Need some way to get some consensuses around the review. ←
15:11:52 <AndyS1> Review is: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Jun/0154.html
Andy Seaborne: Review is: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Jun/0154.html ←
15:11:58 <LeeF> close ACTION-56
Lee Feigenbaum: close ACTION-56 ←
15:11:58 <trackbot> ACTION-56 Review SPARQL LC WD document closed
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15:11:59 <AZ> +1 to close
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 to close ←
15:12:16 <gavinc> ACTION-60?
15:12:16 <trackbot> ACTION-60 -- Guus Schreiber to discuss Turtle doc schedule with ericP -- due 2011-06-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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15:12:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/60
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15:12:21 <AndyS1> review in the att: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Jun/att-0154/sparql-notes.txt
Andy Seaborne: review in the att: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Jun/att-0154/sparql-notes.txt ←
15:12:42 <LeeF> close ACTION-60
Lee Feigenbaum: close ACTION-60 ←
15:12:43 <trackbot> ACTION-60 Discuss Turtle doc schedule with ericP closed
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15:12:45 <gavinc> LeeF: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Jun/0170.html
Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Jun/0170.html ←
15:13:12 <gavinc> LeeF: No one with an open action is on the call
Lee Feigenbaum: No one with an open action is on the call ←
15:13:36 <gavinc> ACTION-63?
15:13:36 <trackbot> ACTION-63 -- Lee Feigenbaum to take http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/StringLiterals/AbolishUntaggedPlain to SPARQL WG to gauge the impact on SPARQL process and schedule -- due 2011-06-22 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-63 -- Lee Feigenbaum to take http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/StringLiterals/AbolishUntaggedPlain to SPARQL WG to gauge the impact on SPARQL process and schedule -- due 2011-06-22 -- OPEN ←
15:13:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/63
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15:13:51 <LeeF> ACTION-63, Completed and SPARQL WG is in process of figuring out how to respond or accommodate the resolution
Lee Feigenbaum: ACTION-63, Completed and SPARQL WG is in process of figuring out how to respond or accommodate the resolution ←
15:13:51 <trackbot> ACTION-63 Take http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/StringLiterals/AbolishUntaggedPlain to SPARQL WG to gauge the impact on SPARQL process and schedule notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-63 Take http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/StringLiterals/AbolishUntaggedPlain to SPARQL WG to gauge the impact on SPARQL process and schedule notes added ←
15:13:57 <LeeF> close ACTION-63
Lee Feigenbaum: close ACTION-63 ←
15:13:57 <trackbot> ACTION-63 Take http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/StringLiterals/AbolishUntaggedPlain to SPARQL WG to gauge the impact on SPARQL process and schedule closed
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15:14:31 <gavinc> Topic: Graph Terminology
15:14:45 <gavinc> LeeF: there was a join telecon last week between this group and sparql wg
Lee Feigenbaum: there was a join telecon last week between this group and sparql wg ←
15:15:12 <gavinc> ... looking at SPARQL graph protocol document, and how it lined up with g-text, g-snap, g-box
... looking at SPARQL graph protocol document, and how it lined up with g-text, g-snap, g-box ←
15:15:58 <AndyS1> who here was there?
Andy Seaborne: who here was there? ←
15:15:59 <gavinc> LeeF: anyone able to summarize last weeks graph telecon?
Lee Feigenbaum: anyone able to summarize last weeks graph telecon? ←
15:16:02 <pchampin> I was
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I was ←
15:16:16 <AZ> I was there too
Antoine Zimmermann: I was there too ←
15:16:41 <AZ> zakim, unmute me
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15:17:19 <pchampin> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-sparql11-http-rdf-update-20110512/
Pierre-Antoine Champin: http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-sparql11-http-rdf-update-20110512/ ←
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15:17:22 <gavinc> AZ: Summary, matching terms g-box, g-snap, g-text to terms used in SPARQL graph store documents
Antoine Zimmermann: Summary, matching terms g-box, g-snap, g-text to terms used in SPARQL graph store documents ←
15:17:29 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-http-rdf-update/
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-http-rdf-update/ ←
15:17:41 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-http-rdf-update/#terminology
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-http-rdf-update/#terminology ←
15:17:57 <gavinc> AZ: Agreed to align RDF Document to g-text
Antoine Zimmermann: Agreed to align RDF Document to g-text ←
15:18:20 <gavinc> ... but concern about the use of the term document
... but concern about the use of the term document ←
15:18:30 <PatHayes> sandro, you on the call?
Patrick Hayes: sandro, you on the call? ←
15:18:35 <gavinc> ... RDF specification, maybe we shouldn't use Document to talk about g-text.
... RDF specification, maybe we shouldn't use Document to talk about g-text. ←
15:18:39 <LeeF> (i don't think so :-/ )(
Lee Feigenbaum: (i don't think so :-/ )( ←
15:18:46 <PatHayes> ta.
Patrick Hayes: ta. ←
15:18:47 <gavinc> ... Richard to take first stab at creating new terms.
... Richard to take first stab at creating new terms. ←
15:19:10 <gavinc> ... RDF Graph Content maybe sort of... mmm, maybe not.
... RDF Graph Content maybe sort of... mmm, maybe not. ←
15:19:17 <pchampin> IFAIR, there was no clear consensus on that one
Pierre-Antoine Champin: IFAIR, there was no clear consensus on that one ←
15:19:22 <AndyS1> (g-text is our own placeholder for a real name)
Andy Seaborne: (g-text is our own placeholder for a real name) ←
15:19:26 <gavinc> ... Not sure if we could match g-box to one of these terms exactly
... Not sure if we could match g-box to one of these terms exactly ←
15:19:35 <gavinc> ... RDF GRaph is used but not defined.
... RDF GRaph is used but not defined. ←
15:19:40 <PatHayes> +q
Patrick Hayes: +q ←
15:19:49 <gavinc> ... RDF Graph should correspond to g-snap
... RDF Graph should correspond to g-snap ←
15:20:11 <LeeF> . ACTION: chimezie, pgearon, PatHayes, pchampin to propose how to link g-box to relevant terms from the SPARQL graph store spec
Lee Feigenbaum: . ACTION: chimezie, pgearon, PatHayes, pchampin to propose how to link g-box to relevant terms from the SPARQL graph store spec ←
15:20:16 <gavinc> ... I think there was an action to define how the other terms can be more or less match to our terminology
... I think there was an action to define how the other terms can be more or less match to our terminology ←
15:20:17 <LeeF> (from last week's telecon on graph terminology)
Lee Feigenbaum: (from last week's telecon on graph terminology) ←
15:20:37 <gavinc> ACTION-64?
15:20:37 <trackbot> ACTION-64 -- Richard Cyganiak to propose labels for g-text, g-snap -- due 2011-06-29 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-64 -- Richard Cyganiak to propose labels for g-text, g-snap -- due 2011-06-29 -- OPEN ←
15:20:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/64
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/64 ←
15:21:01 <LeeF> ack PatHayes
Lee Feigenbaum: ack PatHayes ←
15:21:05 <gavinc> LeeF: THanks for summary
Lee Feigenbaum: THanks for summary ←
15:21:21 <gavinc> PatHayes: We are still slightly muddled about g-box
Patrick Hayes: We are still slightly muddled about g-box ←
15:21:36 <gavinc> PatHayes: g-box is more complicated
Patrick Hayes: g-box is more complicated ←
15:22:03 <gavinc> PatHayes: THere isn't anything corresponding. Maybe we should generalise ??? into a graph resource or whatever.
Patrick Hayes: THere isn't anything corresponding. Maybe we should generalise ??? into a graph resource or whatever. ←
15:22:15 <gavinc> PatHayes: Anything that can emit graph representations
Patrick Hayes: Anything that can emit graph representations ←
15:22:40 <gavinc> PatHayes: would encompass the things in SPARQL
Patrick Hayes: would encompass the things in SPARQL ←
15:22:52 <ww> s/\?\?\?/g-box/
William Waites: s/\?\?\?/g-box/ (warning: replacement failed) ←
15:23:01 <Zakim> +Souri
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15:23:21 <gavinc> LeeF: A few actions on people to do the sorts of things Pat just talked about. To give proper terms to what we want to do in our graph work, and in SPARQL
Lee Feigenbaum: A few actions on people to do the sorts of things Pat just talked about. To give proper terms to what we want to do in our graph work, and in SPARQL ←
15:24:18 <pchampin> q+
15:25:02 <PatHayes> listen to pierre-a on this topic.
Patrick Hayes: listen to pierre-a on this topic. ←
15:25:10 <LeeF> ack pchampin
Lee Feigenbaum: ack pchampin ←
15:25:44 <gavinc> pchampin: No clear consense on g-box.
Pierre-Antoine Champin: No clear consense on g-box. ←
15:26:10 <gavinc> pchampin: RDF graph concerns somethign with an IRI attached to it, or just an abstract thing, no clear answer
Pierre-Antoine Champin: RDF graph concerns somethign with an IRI attached to it, or just an abstract thing, no clear answer ←
15:26:16 <yvesr> i believe PatHayes mentioned that g-box is equivalent to a graph store with just one graph in it
Yves Raimond: i believe PatHayes mentioned that g-box is equivalent to a graph store with just one graph in it ←
15:26:51 <PatHayes> Yes, just one 'default' graph. SPARQL also says this, in effect.
Patrick Hayes: Yes, just one 'default' graph. SPARQL also says this, in effect. ←
15:27:15 <gavinc> LeeF: does what LeeF said in IRC match what your talking about?
Lee Feigenbaum: does what yvesr said in IRC match what your talking about? ←
15:27:16 <yvesr> PatHayes, indeed - it does make sense
Yves Raimond: PatHayes, indeed - it does make sense ←
15:27:26 <LeeF> s/what LeeF said/what yvesr said
15:27:35 <AndyS1> Makes sense for default graph.
Andy Seaborne: Makes sense for default graph. ←
15:27:38 <PatHayes> YEs to all the questions.
Patrick Hayes: YEs to all the questions. ←
15:27:51 <LeeF> q?
Lee Feigenbaum: q? ←
15:27:55 <AndyS1> In practice, there are multiple ways in which the IRI is associated to a graph in the dataset/store. Used as a indirect association. e.g. same URI as the place contents were read from originally. e.g. true g-snap naming. All are used.
Andy Seaborne: In practice, there are multiple ways in which the IRI is associated to a graph in the dataset/store. Used as a indirect association. e.g. same URI as the place contents were read from originally. e.g. true g-snap naming. All are used. ←
15:28:00 <AZ> zakim, mute me
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15:28:02 <PatHayes> q+
Patrick Hayes: q+ ←
15:28:07 <LeeF> ack PatHayes
Lee Feigenbaum: ack PatHayes ←
15:28:16 <ww> i think i agree with pat and i don't think our notion of graph should be tied to http as such
William Waites: i think i agree with pat and i don't think our notion of graph should be tied to http as such ←
15:28:36 <gavinc> PatH: This concern about the term document. Some people assume that the thing is mutable.
Patrick Hayes: This concern about the term document. Some people assume that the thing is mutable. ←
15:29:12 <gavinc> PatH: Thing returned from GET is a Document?
Patrick Hayes: Thing returned from GET is a Document? ←
15:29:21 <gavinc> LeeF: Is a Document a mutable thing or not?
Lee Feigenbaum: Is a Document a mutable thing or not? ←
15:29:27 <SteveH> no feeling either way
Steve Harris: no feeling either way ←
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15:29:39 <gavinc> PatH: I don't think the webArch talks about Documents
Andy Seaborne: I don't think the webArch talks about Documents ←
15:29:48 <PatHayes> that was Andy
Patrick Hayes: that was Andy ←
15:29:49 <gavinc> s/PatH/Andy
15:30:03 <gavinc> Andy: Document not quiet the info resource
Andy Seaborne: Document not quite the info resource ←
15:30:24 <LeeF> MacTed: Intuition is never really correct
Ted Thibodeau: Intuition is never really correct [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:30:29 <ww> gavin: from our perspective (topq) documents are mutable
Gavin Carothers: from our perspective (topq) documents are mutable [ Scribe Assist by William Waites ] ←
15:30:39 <LeeF> gavinc: TopQuadrant position is that documents are mutable, and it's hard to talk about semantic technologies when you're not on the Web
Gavin Carothers: TopQuadrant position is that documents are mutable, or it's hard to talk about semantic technologies when you're not on the Web [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:30:43 <ww> ... or it becomes very hard a=to talk about semantic technologies when you happen to not be on the web
William Waites: ... or it becomes very hard a=to talk about semantic technologies when you happen to not be on the web ←
15:30:54 <LeeF> s/and it's hard/or it's hard
15:30:59 <ww> ... everybody here does that whether they internalise that or not
William Waites: ... everybody here does that whether they internalise that or not ←
15:32:26 <Souri> s/quiet/quite/
15:32:34 <gavinc> MacTed: Document is immuatable. As soon as you hit web space, everything is mutable. Unless you have all it's metadata. It's also any specified URI.
Ted Thibodeau: Document is immuatable. As soon as you hit web space, everything is mutable. Unless you have all it's metadata. It's also any specified URI. ←
15:32:35 <AZ> From this discussion, it seems that the term Document is not appropriate for "A serialization of an RDF Graph into a concrete syntax."
Antoine Zimmermann: From this discussion, it seems that the term Document is not appropriate for "A serialization of an RDF Graph into a concrete syntax." ←
15:32:37 <AndyS1> AWWW - "RDF documents" 4.2.4. -- not defined -- used once
Andy Seaborne: AWWW - "RDF documents" 4.2.4. -- not defined -- used once ←
15:32:53 <PatHayes> MacTed: terms are overloaded. In web space, all abstract things have extra properties like date, creation. People dont hold this intuitively.
Ted Thibodeau: terms are overloaded. In web space, all abstract things have extra properties like date, creation. People dont hold this intuitively. [ Scribe Assist by Patrick Hayes ] ←
15:33:01 <AndyS1> and also xml docments, svg documents
Andy Seaborne: and also xml docments, svg documents ←
15:33:14 <PatHayes> Good examples, Andy.
Patrick Hayes: Good examples, Andy. ←
15:33:29 <gavinc> MacTed: Invent a new term for things that have never been defined.
Ted Thibodeau: Invent a new term for things that have never been defined. ←
15:33:31 <pchampin> q+
15:33:36 <LeeF> ack pchampin
Lee Feigenbaum: ack pchampin ←
15:33:59 <ww> real, physical 3-d documents are still mutable i think unless we go to a lot of trouble (like notarising and such) to make sure they are immutable
William Waites: real, physical 3-d documents are still mutable i think unless we go to a lot of trouble (like notarising and such) to make sure they are immutable ←
15:34:20 <gavinc> pchampin: Document outside the web has many diffrent meanings. I think it's not used in Web Architecture.
Pierre-Antoine Champin: Document outside the web has many diffrent meanings. I think it's not used in Web Architecture. ←
15:34:29 <PatHayes> As an artist, I can assure you that physical documents are mutable.
Patrick Hayes: As an artist, I can assure you that physical documents are mutable. ←
15:34:36 <gavinc> pchampin: I like terms resource and representation. Quiet well defined meanings
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I like terms resource and representation. Quiet well defined meanings ←
15:35:05 <PatHayes> me too.
Patrick Hayes: me too. ←
15:35:21 <gavinc> LeeF: How would resource and representation map?
Lee Feigenbaum: How would resource and representation map? ←
15:35:39 <gavinc> pchampin: g-box is an info resource
Pierre-Antoine Champin: g-box is an info resource ←
15:35:42 <PatHayes> HOw about "graph data structure" or "graph data object" ?
Patrick Hayes: HOw about "graph data structure" or "graph data object" ? ←
15:35:50 <gavinc> pchampin: g-box is outside the web, I think I agree with that
Pierre-Antoine Champin: g-box is outside the web, I think I agree with that ←
15:36:06 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:36:06 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:36:08 <gavinc> pchampin: g-text is an rdf representation, and a g-box is a resource
Pierre-Antoine Champin: g-text is an rdf representation, and a g-box is a resource ←
15:36:30 <AndyS1> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:36:33 <ww> +1
William Waites: +1 ←
15:36:38 <gavinc> pchampin: I think, that's my understand of g-* terms
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I think, that's my understand of g-* terms ←
15:36:46 <AZ> yes
Antoine Zimmermann: yes ←
15:36:48 <yvesr> yes
Yves Raimond: yes ←
15:36:56 <PatHayes> I think Sandro's original idea was g-box is resource, g-snap is (abstract) state of the resource, and g-text is the rest-representation that the resource emits.
Patrick Hayes: I think Sandro's original idea was g-box is resource, g-snap is (abstract) state of the resource, and g-text is the rest-representation that the resource emits. ←
15:36:57 <gavinc> LeeF: g-snap is an RDF Graph
Lee Feigenbaum: g-snap is an RDF Graph ←
15:37:09 <AndyS1> g-snap is also state of g-box at a moment.
Andy Seaborne: g-snap is also state of g-box at a moment. ←
15:37:20 <pchampin> +1 Pat, Andy
Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1 Pat, Andy ←
15:37:30 <gavinc> LeeF: g-box is some sort of resource
Lee Feigenbaum: g-box is some sort of resource ←
15:37:57 <Guus> resource = graph resource, I assume
Guus Schreiber: resource = graph resource, I assume ←
15:38:09 <gavinc> PatH: I think Sandro was trying to put our graphs into Rest terms.
Patrick Hayes: I think Sandro was trying to put our graphs into Rest terms. ←
15:38:12 <LeeF> Guus, i think so, though we haven't said so directly (Yet)
Lee Feigenbaum: Guus, i think so, though we haven't said so directly (Yet) ←
15:38:32 <Souri> SPARQL Dataset = {<default, g-snap> plus zero or more <IRI, g-snap>} and SPARQL Graph Store = {<default, g-box plus zero more <IRI, g-box>} and g-text = a serialization of a g-box
Souripriya Das: SPARQL Dataset = {<default, g-snap> plus zero or more <IRI, g-snap>} and SPARQL Graph Store = {<default, g-box plus zero more <IRI, g-box>} and g-text = a serialization of a g-box ←
15:39:10 <gavinc> pchampin: It might be too restrictive to say that Sandro was trying to align with web terms. Was also okay with g-box off the web as well
Pierre-Antoine Champin: It might be too restrictive to say that Sandro was trying to align with web terms. Was also okay with g-box off the web as well ←
15:39:25 <gavinc> pchampin: Maybe we are just focusing on the web.
Pierre-Antoine Champin: Maybe we are just focusing on the web. ←
15:39:37 <PatHayes> True, I agree. OK, slight generalization. But the kind of thing that COULD be on the Web.
Patrick Hayes: True, I agree. OK, slight generalization. But the kind of thing that COULD be on the Web. ←
15:39:40 <gavinc> pchampin: Good to start with the Web.
Pierre-Antoine Champin: Good to start with the Web. ←
15:39:59 <AndyS1> souri - Many uses do fit that model, not all though.
Andy Seaborne: souri - Many uses do fit that model, not all though. ←
15:40:18 <gavinc> LeeF: If we whole heartedly take the web view, does it break down when it's not on the web.
Lee Feigenbaum: If we whole heartedly take the web view, does it break down when it's not on the web. ←
15:40:23 <PatHayes> Can there be a web page that is not on the web?
Patrick Hayes: Can there be a web page that is not on the web? ←
15:40:34 <LeeF> gavinc: yes, it breaks down fairly badly
Gavin Carothers: yes, it breaks down fairly badly [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:40:41 <AndyS1> Pat - hard to say :-)
Andy Seaborne: Pat - hard to say :-) ←
15:41:01 <LeeF> gavinc: you need to do things like ask for URIs and base URIs of a document on the filesystem
Gavin Carothers: you need to do things like ask for URIs and base URIs of a document on the filesystem [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:41:12 <LeeF> gavinc: ends up being very very weird for peopl editing documents in a filesystem
Gavin Carothers: ends up being very very weird for peopl editing documents in a filesystem [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:41:30 <ww> q+
William Waites: q+ ←
15:41:31 <LeeF> gavinc: may be intrinsic to people using a Web technology off the WEb
Gavin Carothers: may be intrinsic to people using a Web technology off the WEb [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:41:36 <ww> zakim, unmute me
William Waites: zakim, unmute me ←
15:41:36 <Zakim> ww should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: ww should no longer be muted ←
15:41:37 <LeeF> ack ww
Lee Feigenbaum: ack ww ←
15:41:39 <PatHayes> Hmm, I don't read REST as saying that all resources must be 'on' the web.
Patrick Hayes: Hmm, I don't read REST as saying that all resources must be 'on' the web. ←
15:42:16 <LeeF> ww: I don't see the difference between filesystem paths and URIs?
William Waites: how exactly is it different between filesystem paths and URIs? [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:42:31 <LeeF> gavinc: file paths (or URIs) don't behave the same way that HTTP URIs do
Gavin Carothers: file paths (or URIs) don't behave the same way that HTTP URIs do [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:42:51 <LeeF> gavinc: when i talk about a URI, I'm inevitably talking about an HTTP URI ... but on my machine, I don't want to go off and resolve the URL, I just want to find it on my local machine
Gavin Carothers: when i talk about a URI, I'm inevitably talking about an HTTP URI ... but on my machine, I don't want to go off and resolve the URL, I just want to find it on my local machine [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:42:51 <ww> s/I don't see the difference/how exactly is it different/
15:43:09 <LeeF> gavinc: XML _sort of_ solves this with XML Catalogs, but RDF doesn't really have anything that deals with this
Gavin Carothers: XML _sort of_ solves this with XML Catalogs, but RDF doesn't really have anything that deals with this [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:43:27 <LeeF> gavinc: SPARQL solves this by lying - it says that I have a URI U, and I resolve it by looking it up in my local database
Gavin Carothers: SPARQL solves this by lying - it says that I have a URI U, and I resolve it by looking it up in my local database [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:43:27 <PatHayes> q+
Patrick Hayes: q+ ←
15:43:40 <ww> zakim, mute me
William Waites: zakim, mute me ←
15:43:40 <Zakim> ww should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: ww should now be muted ←
15:43:41 <SteveH> I don't agree with gavinc
Steve Harris: I don't agree with gavinc ←
15:43:44 <LeeF> gavinc: a lot of machinery to make you look like you're on the Web when you're not
Gavin Carothers: a lot of machinery to make you look like you're on the Web when you're not [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:43:59 <LeeF> PatHayes: nowhere in RDF where URIs are required to be resolvable
Patrick Hayes: nowhere in RDF where URIs are required to be resolvable [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:44:04 <gavinc> PatH: You don't have to do any GETs at all.
Patrick Hayes: You don't have to do any GETs at all. ←
15:44:04 <LeeF> ... except maybe in owl:import
Lee Feigenbaum: ... except maybe in owl:import ←
15:44:22 <AndyS1> I disagree with gavinc as well. There is an URI loosely associated with a graph - not a deref promise
Andy Seaborne: I disagree with gavinc as well. There is an URI loosely associated with a graph - not a deref promise ←
15:44:25 <LeeF> gavinc: part of it is that our software depends heavily on owl:impport
Gavin Carothers: part of it is that our software depends heavily on owl:impport [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:45:14 <Souri> +1 to AndyS1 (liar is too strong a word! :-))
Souripriya Das: +1 to AndyS1 (liar is too strong a word! :-)) ←
15:45:57 <PatHayes> local distortion in the truth-field.
Patrick Hayes: local distortion in the truth-field. ←
15:46:31 <pchampin> @Pat, do you mean a Reality Distortion Field? :-D
Pierre-Antoine Champin: @Pat, do you mean a Reality Distortion Field? :-D ←
15:47:19 <LeeF> LeeF: gavinc, are you looking for terms that are more neutral yet map to resource/representation in a Web context and map to more familiar concepts to people working not on the Web?
Lee Feigenbaum: gavinc, are you looking for terms that are more neutral yet map to resource/representation in a Web context and map to more familiar concepts to people working not on the Web? [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:47:29 <LeeF> gavinc: maybe, but i'm not sure how strongly i feel about it - there is value in reusing the Web terms
Gavin Carothers: maybe, but i'm not sure how strongly i feel about it - there is value in reusing the Web terms [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
15:47:32 <gavinc> AndyS: There is what SPARQL 1.0 says about Datasets, and in 1.1 the Graph Store is a mutable dataset.
Andy Seaborne: There is what SPARQL 1.0 says about Datasets, and in 1.1 the Graph Store is a mutable dataset. ←
15:47:55 <gavinc> ... You do end up with a degree of impersise naming going on.
... You do end up with a degree of impersise naming going on. ←
15:48:06 <gavinc> ... the graph is a set of mutable slots you can go and change.
... the graph is a set of mutable slots you can go and change. ←
15:48:10 <gavinc> q?
q? ←
15:48:13 <LeeF> ack PatHayes
Lee Feigenbaum: ack PatHayes ←
15:48:37 <ww> so, a graph store has slots (g-boxes?) to contain g-snaps?
William Waites: so, a graph store has slots (g-boxes?) to contain g-snaps? ←
15:48:42 <gavinc> AndyS: The cat is out of the bag.
Andy Seaborne: The cat is out of the bag. ←
15:48:58 <gavinc> AndyS: You can't really change the behavior of developers
Andy Seaborne: You can't really change the behavior of developers ←
15:49:01 <ww> and when you put/pull a graph you send/get a g-text/
William Waites: and when you put/pull a graph you send/get a g-text/ ←
15:49:02 <SteveH> +1 to AndyS
Steve Harris: +1 to AndyS ←
15:49:18 <SteveH> people have already evolved usage patterns
Steve Harris: people have already evolved usage patterns ←
15:49:19 <pchampin> +1 to Andy
Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1 to Andy ←
15:49:28 <gavinc> AndyS: Developers are going to be using it. We are more following then, leading them
Andy Seaborne: Developers are going to be using it. We are more following then, leading them ←
15:49:49 <SteveH> q+
Steve Harris: q+ ←
15:49:55 <PatHayes> I agree we are wanting to follow current use as far as possible.
Patrick Hayes: I agree we are wanting to follow current use as far as possible. ←
15:50:10 <gavinc> LeeF: I thought we got to g-*, there were not any terms that everyone used.
Lee Feigenbaum: I thought we got to g-*, there were not any terms that everyone used. ←
15:50:28 <gavinc> AndyS: g-* just used as specific terms to avoid confusion
Andy Seaborne: g-* just used as specific terms to avoid confusion ←
15:50:42 <gavinc> PatH: Yes, now it's time to get better terms
Patrick Hayes: Yes, now it's time to get better terms ←
15:51:00 <LeeF> ack SteveH
Lee Feigenbaum: ack SteveH ←
15:51:16 <MacTed> when initially put out, g-box felt very akin to t-box and a-box ...
Ted Thibodeau: when initially put out, g-box felt very akin to t-box and a-box ... ←
15:51:34 <PatHayes> Oh God, not a-boxes.
Patrick Hayes: Oh God, not a-boxes. ←
15:51:34 <gavinc> SteveH: More or less agree with Andy. We have a reasonable number of people using RDF and everyone talks about graph, and no one is too confused.
Steve Harris: More or less agree with Andy. We have a reasonable number of people using RDF and everyone talks about graph, and no one is too confused. ←
15:52:10 <zwu2> +SteveH
15:52:10 <AZ> Can we capture what we are discussing in terms of ISSUE, and try to advance towards proposing ACTIONs?
Antoine Zimmermann: Can we capture what we are discussing in terms of ISSUE, and try to advance towards proposing ACTIONs? ←
15:52:30 <gavinc> SteveH: People are abusing/missuing the term for named graphs
Andy Seaborne: People are abusing/missuing the term for named graphs ←
15:52:45 <SteveH> s/SteveH/AndyS/
15:53:12 <AZ> ACTION-64?
Antoine Zimmermann: ACTION-64? ←
15:53:12 <trackbot> ACTION-64 -- Richard Cyganiak to propose labels for g-text, g-snap -- due 2011-06-29 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-64 -- Richard Cyganiak to propose labels for g-text, g-snap -- due 2011-06-29 -- OPEN ←
15:53:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/64
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/64 ←
15:53:41 <PatHayes> PatHayes: if we try to keep the word 'graph' in our terms, that might help. Then those who don't care about fine distinctions can go on as before and not be 'wrong'.
Patrick Hayes: if we try to keep the word 'graph' in our terms, that might help. Then those who don't care about fine distinctions can go on as before and not be 'wrong'. [ Scribe Assist by Patrick Hayes ] ←
15:53:44 <gavinc> [Wednesday, June 22, 2011] [08:00:08 AM] <cygri> ACTION: chimezie, pgearon, PatHayes, pchampin to propose how to link g-box to relevant terms from the SPARQL graph store spec
[Wednesday, June 22, 2011] [08:00:08 AM] <cygri> ACTION: chimezie, pgearon, PatHayes, pchampin to propose how to link g-box to relevant terms from the SPARQL graph store spec ←
15:54:15 <gavinc> ISSUE-14?
15:54:16 <trackbot> ISSUE-14 -- What is a named graph and what should we call it? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-14 -- What is a named graph and what should we call it? -- open ←
15:54:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/14
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/14 ←
15:54:20 <gavinc> ISSUE-30?
15:54:20 <trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- How does SPARQL's notion of RDF dataset relate our notion of multiple graphs? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-30 -- How does SPARQL's notion of RDF dataset relate our notion of multiple graphs? -- open ←
15:54:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/30
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/30 ←
15:54:24 <gavinc> ISSUE-29?
15:54:24 <trackbot> ISSUE-29 -- Do we support SPARQL's notion of "default graph"? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-29 -- Do we support SPARQL's notion of "default graph"? -- open ←
15:54:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/29
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/29 ←
15:54:31 <gavinc> ISSUE-32?
15:54:31 <trackbot> ISSUE-32 -- Can we identify both g-boxes and g-snaps? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-32 -- Can we identify both g-boxes and g-snaps? -- open ←
15:54:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/32
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/32 ←
15:54:41 <gavinc> LeeF: Not related to issue 32
Lee Feigenbaum: Not related to ISSUE-32 ←
15:54:59 <AZ> I see
Antoine Zimmermann: I see ←
15:55:15 <gavinc> LeeF: What I heard today was advice to Richard in ACTION-34, might be a good idea to lean on Resource and Representation
Lee Feigenbaum: What I heard today was advice to Richard in ACTION-34, might be a good idea to lean on Resource and Representation ←
15:55:28 <gavinc> LeeF: Don't trust the term Document
Lee Feigenbaum: Don't trust the term Document ←
15:55:45 <gavinc> LeeF: I don't think we are in a position to resolve anything
Lee Feigenbaum: I don't think we are in a position to resolve anything ←
15:55:45 <AZ> ok, thanks for the clarification
Antoine Zimmermann: ok, thanks for the clarification ←
15:56:55 <gavinc> LeeF: Given that we don't have our chairs, I'm not inclined to make something up. Is there new info to talk about on one of our graph issues?
Lee Feigenbaum: Given that we don't have our chairs, I'm not inclined to make something up. Is there new info to talk about on one of our graph issues? ←
15:57:09 <gavinc> LeeF: Are there any topics from the mailing list folks want to talk about?
Lee Feigenbaum: Are there any topics from the mailing list folks want to talk about? ←
15:57:16 <gavinc> LeeF: Otherwise end a little early.
Lee Feigenbaum: Otherwise end a little early. ←
15:57:20 <PatHayes> Do we want to discuss Pierre-A's responses/comments on SPARQL?
Patrick Hayes: Do we want to discuss Pierre-A's responses/comments on SPARQL? ←
15:58:29 <gavinc> LeeF: We can't really do anything about those specific comments... we need to work them in to our conclusions and feed them back to the SPARQL group.
Lee Feigenbaum: We can't really do anything about those specific comments... we need to work them in to our conclusions and feed them back to the SPARQL group. ←
15:58:47 <gavinc> LeeF: Want to avoid stacking turtles, but should someone else look over the review?
Lee Feigenbaum: Want to avoid stacking turtles, but should someone else look over the review? ←
15:59:11 <gavinc> PatH: I agree with it.
Patrick Hayes: I agree with it. ←
15:59:35 <gavinc> AndyS: What effect do we expect to make?
Andy Seaborne: What effect do we expect to make? ←
16:00:33 <gavinc> LeeF: Not clear yet. One might be to change the terms being used in Graph Store document. Another would be the change the def to align. And another would be to just be informative.
Lee Feigenbaum: Not clear yet. One might be to change the terms being used in Graph Store document. Another would be the change the def to align. And another would be to just be informative. ←
16:00:50 <AndyS1> (other than specific editorial comments)
Andy Seaborne: (other than specific editorial comments) ←
16:01:00 <gavinc> PatH: There are one or two place where from our perspective the document seems inconstant
Patrick Hayes: There are one or two place where from our perspective the document seems inconstant ←
16:01:35 <AZ> alright I can do that
Antoine Zimmermann: alright I can do that ←
16:01:41 <gavinc> LeeF: Can we get a few people to review the SPARQL review?
Lee Feigenbaum: Can we get a few people to review the SPARQL review? ←
16:01:55 <gavinc> PatH: I will.
Patrick Hayes: I will. ←
16:01:57 <LeeF> ACTION: Pat to review Pierre-A's comments on SPARQL graph store upade protocol
ACTION: Pat to review Pierre-A's comments on SPARQL graph store upade protocol ←
16:01:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-67 - Review Pierre-A's comments on SPARQL graph store upade protocol [on Patrick Hayes - due 2011-07-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-67 - Review Pierre-A's comments on SPARQL graph store upade protocol [on Patrick Hayes - due 2011-07-06]. ←
16:02:17 <LeeF> ACTION: Antoine to review Pierre-A's comments on SPARQL graph store upade protocol
ACTION: Antoine to review Pierre-A's comments on SPARQL graph store upade protocol ←
16:02:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-68 - Review Pierre-A's comments on SPARQL graph store upade protocol [on Antoine Zimmermann - due 2011-07-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-68 - Review Pierre-A's comments on SPARQL graph store upade protocol [on Antoine Zimmermann - due 2011-07-06]. ←
16:02:32 <gavinc> AndyS: Wouldn't recommend too strong alignment, as we haven't nailed it down ourselves.
Andy Seaborne: Wouldn't recommend too strong alignment, as we haven't nailed it down ourselves. ←
16:02:51 <Zakim> -SteveH
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH ←
16:02:56 <gavinc> LeeF: Sorry if it was a little less directed and focused.
Lee Feigenbaum: Sorry if it was a little less directed and focused. ←
16:03:05 <zwu2> thanks and bye
16:03:16 <AZ> byebye
Antoine Zimmermann: byebye ←
16:03:18 <Zakim> -zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2 ←
16:03:19 <PatHayes> LeeF, what exactly was it I agreed to do at the beginning of the meeting?
Patrick Hayes: LeeF, what exactly was it I agreed to do at the beginning of the meeting? ←
16:03:23 <Zakim> -yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr ←
16:03:24 <mbrunati> thanks bye
Matteo Brunati: thanks bye ←
16:03:24 <Zakim> -LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF ←
16:03:26 <Zakim> -MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←
16:03:28 <Zakim> -mischat
Zakim IRC Bot: -mischat ←
16:03:32 <Zakim> -AlexHall
Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexHall ←
16:03:34 <Zakim> -ww
Zakim IRC Bot: -ww ←
16:03:34 <LeeF> PatHayes, use CommonScribe to generate the non-draft version of last week's minutes
Lee Feigenbaum: PatHayes, use CommonScribe to generate the non-draft version of last week's minutes ←
16:03:36 <Zakim> -mbrunati
Zakim IRC Bot: -mbrunati ←
16:03:38 <Zakim> -AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ ←
16:03:42 <Zakim> -AndyS1
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS1 ←
16:03:46 <Zakim> -Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri ←
16:03:48 <Zakim> -gavinc
Zakim IRC Bot: -gavinc ←
16:03:50 <Zakim> -PatHayes
Zakim IRC Bot: -PatHayes ←
16:03:55 <Zakim> -Scott_Bauer
Zakim IRC Bot: -Scott_Bauer ←
16:03:55 <pchampin> @PayHayes, I think you agreed to publish last week minutes
Pierre-Antoine Champin: @PayHayes, I think you agreed to publish last week minutes ←
16:03:58 <gavinc> rrsagent, make records public
rrsagent, make records public ←
16:04:34 <Zakim> -pchampin
Zakim IRC Bot: -pchampin ←
16:04:35 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended ←
16:04:39 <Zakim> Attendees were ww, Scott_Bauer, gavinc, yvesr, LeeF, AndyS1, AZ, pchampin, AlexHall, zwu2, PatHayes, MacTed, mbrunati, SteveH, mischat, Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were ww, Scott_Bauer, gavinc, yvesr, LeeF, AndyS1, AZ, pchampin, AlexHall, zwu2, PatHayes, MacTed, mbrunati, SteveH, mischat, Souri ←
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