ISSUE-385: The hasProvenanceIn relation is over-complicated
haProvenanceIn-complexity
The hasProvenanceIn relation is over-complicated
- State:
- CLOSED
- Product:
- prov-dm
- Raised by:
- Graham Klyne
- Opened on:
- 2012-05-28
- Description:
- I'm raising this issue as a placeholder and for discussion. I didn't notice the arrival of prov:hasProvenanceIn, but based on its appearance in http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/releases/ED-prov-dm-20120525/prov-dm.html (which AFAIK is not a currently active draft, but a proposal) is rather over-complicated and a bit obscure.
My sense is that, especially as this is motivated by PROV-AQ, there are just too many identifiers floating around.
Instead of:
hasProvenanceIn(id, subject, bundle, target, attrs)
Why not just:
hasProvenanceIn(subject, bundle)
Where subject is based on the URI of an entity, and bundle is based on the URI of a provenance bundle with information about that entity.
I would like to understand what real scenario justifies all the added machinery that has been included with this relation.
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- Re: PROV-ISSUE-528: Data Model Section 5.5.3 [prov-dm] (from l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-09-25)
- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-09-04)
- Re: Request to drop 'mention' and related elements (from tom.denies@ugent.be on 2012-08-09)
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- Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-06-28)
- Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from Graham.Klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk on 2012-06-28)
- Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from jcheney@inf.ed.ac.uk on 2012-06-28)
- Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from lebot@rpi.edu on 2012-06-28)
- Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-06-28)
- Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from jcheney@inf.ed.ac.uk on 2012-06-28)
- Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from jcheney@inf.ed.ac.uk on 2012-06-28)
- Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from jcheney@inf.ed.ac.uk on 2012-06-28)
- Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from graham.klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk on 2012-06-28)
- Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from lebot@rpi.edu on 2012-06-28)
- Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from lebot@rpi.edu on 2012-06-28)
- Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-06-28)
- Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-06-28)
- Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-06-28)
- Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from Graham.Klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk on 2012-06-27)
- Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from Graham.Klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk on 2012-06-27)
- Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from Graham.Klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk on 2012-06-27)
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- Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from lebot@rpi.edu on 2012-06-27)
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- Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from satya.sahoo@case.edu on 2012-06-27)
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- Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-06-27)
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- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from lebot@rpi.edu on 2012-06-05)
- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from lebot@rpi.edu on 2012-06-05)
- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-06-05)
- Re: ISSUE 384 comment. (Was: prov-wg meeting minutes 2012-05-31) (from Graham.Klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk on 2012-06-04)
- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from lebot@rpi.edu on 2012-06-04)
- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-06-04)
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- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from lebot@rpi.edu on 2012-06-04)
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- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-06-04)
- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-06-04)
- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from p.t.groth@vu.nl on 2012-06-04)
- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from Graham.Klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk on 2012-06-04)
- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from graham.klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk on 2012-06-04)
- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from lebot@rpi.edu on 2012-06-03)
- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from lebot@rpi.edu on 2012-06-03)
- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from graham.klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk on 2012-06-03)
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- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from p.t.groth@vu.nl on 2012-06-03)
- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from GK@ninebynine.org on 2012-06-03)
- ISSUE 384 comment. (Was: prov-wg meeting minutes 2012-05-31) (from graham.klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk on 2012-06-03)
- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from jun.zhao@zoo.ox.ac.uk on 2012-06-02)
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- Fwd: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-06-02)
- Fwd: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-06-02)
- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from lebot@rpi.edu on 2012-06-01)
- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from p.t.groth@vu.nl on 2012-06-01)
- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from lebot@rpi.edu on 2012-06-01)
- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from p.t.groth@vu.nl on 2012-06-01)
- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-06-01)
- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from mccusj@rpi.edu on 2012-06-01)
- Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from lebot@rpi.edu on 2012-06-01)
- RE: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from simon.miles@kcl.ac.uk on 2012-06-01)
- Re: prov-wg meeting minutes 2012-05-31 (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-06-01)
- ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-05-31)
- Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from mccusj@rpi.edu on 2012-05-31)
- Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-05-31)
- Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from p.t.groth@vu.nl on 2012-05-31)
- Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-05-31)
- Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from p.t.groth@vu.nl on 2012-05-31)
- Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from Graham.Klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk on 2012-05-31)
- Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from lebot@rpi.edu on 2012-05-30)
- Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-05-30)
- Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from lebot@rpi.edu on 2012-05-30)
- Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-05-30)
- Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from graham.klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk on 2012-05-30)
- Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-05-30)
- Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-05-29)
- Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from graham.klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk on 2012-05-29)
- Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-05-29)
- Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-05-29)
- Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from graham.klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk on 2012-05-29)
- Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from graham.klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk on 2012-05-29)
- RE: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from simon.miles@kcl.ac.uk on 2012-05-29)
- Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-05-29)
- RE: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from simon.miles@kcl.ac.uk on 2012-05-29)
- Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from mccusj@rpi.edu on 2012-05-28)
- Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-05-28)
- PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from sysbot+tracker@w3.org on 2012-05-28)
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