ISSUE-385: The hasProvenanceIn relation is over-complicated

haProvenanceIn-complexity

The hasProvenanceIn relation is over-complicated

State:
CLOSED
Product:
prov-dm
Raised by:
Graham Klyne
Opened on:
2012-05-28
Description:
I'm raising this issue as a placeholder and for discussion. I didn't notice the arrival of prov:hasProvenanceIn, but based on its appearance in http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/releases/ED-prov-dm-20120525/prov-dm.html (which AFAIK is not a currently active draft, but a proposal) is rather over-complicated and a bit obscure.

My sense is that, especially as this is motivated by PROV-AQ, there are just too many identifiers floating around.

Instead of:

hasProvenanceIn(id, subject, bundle, target, attrs)

Why not just:

hasProvenanceIn(subject, bundle)

Where subject is based on the URI of an entity, and bundle is based on the URI of a provenance bundle with information about that entity.

I would like to understand what real scenario justifies all the added machinery that has been included with this relation.
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  1. ISSUE-475: Request to drop 'mention' and related elements (from l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-10-22)
  2. Re: PROV-ISSUE-528: Data Model Section 5.5.3 [prov-dm] (from l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-09-25)
  3. Re: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-09-04)
  4. Re: Request to drop 'mention' and related elements (from tom.denies@ugent.be on 2012-08-09)
  5. Request to drop 'mention' and related elements (from GK@ninebynine.org on 2012-08-09)
  6. Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-06-28)
  7. Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from Graham.Klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk on 2012-06-28)
  8. Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from jcheney@inf.ed.ac.uk on 2012-06-28)
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  14. Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from graham.klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk on 2012-06-28)
  15. Re: Contextualization ---> Optional bundle in Specialization (from lebot@rpi.edu on 2012-06-28)
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  121. RE: ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from simon.miles@kcl.ac.uk on 2012-06-01)
  122. Re: prov-wg meeting minutes 2012-05-31 (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-06-01)
  123. ISSUE-385: hasProvenanceIn: finding a solution (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-05-31)
  124. Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from mccusj@rpi.edu on 2012-05-31)
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  128. Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from p.t.groth@vu.nl on 2012-05-31)
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  130. Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from lebot@rpi.edu on 2012-05-30)
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  132. Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from lebot@rpi.edu on 2012-05-30)
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  134. Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from graham.klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk on 2012-05-30)
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  136. Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-05-29)
  137. Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from graham.klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk on 2012-05-29)
  138. Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-05-29)
  139. Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-05-29)
  140. Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from graham.klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk on 2012-05-29)
  141. Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from graham.klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk on 2012-05-29)
  142. RE: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from simon.miles@kcl.ac.uk on 2012-05-29)
  143. Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-05-29)
  144. RE: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from simon.miles@kcl.ac.uk on 2012-05-29)
  145. Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from mccusj@rpi.edu on 2012-05-28)
  146. Re: PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk on 2012-05-28)
  147. PROV-ISSUE-385 (haProvenanceIn-complexity): The hasProvenbanceIn relation is over-complicated [prov-dm] (from sysbot+tracker@w3.org on 2012-05-28)

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