Beyond general admin, minutes of the F2F2 meeting were approved. The working group was reminded of the time change in the US.
A revised time table for the working group was presented by the chairs. The working group was reminded that this was an aggressive schedule but could be achieved through focused work.
Luc presented the current status of the prov-dm and then discussed the plans for WD5 and highlighted the remaining issues left and also that an improved organization would be adopted in the document. The group approved the simplification of specializationOf, alternateOf and hasNote into binary relations.
an extensive status review of the prov-o progress was given. Tim presented a system for monitoring alignment based on the ProvRDF mappings page as well as progress in cataloging issues.
Tim presented a comprehensive structure for creating and documenting examples. The group approved this structure and the notion of having such a catalog. Curt, Sam, Mike, Tim and Luc all agreed to populate the catalog.
open discussion around accounts
The group had a discussion about revisiting the F2F2 decision around simplification/removal of the account construct. It was agreed that this discussion could be reopened but with the proviso that this discussion not impact progress on the deliverables. It was also suggested that accounts may better be discussed in a note rather than a recommendation to ensure on time delivery.
16:01:42 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-prov-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-prov-irc ←
16:01:44 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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16:01:46 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
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16:01:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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16:01:47 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
16:01:47 <trackbot> Date: 01 March 2012
16:01:56 <MacTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Ted Thibodeau: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
16:01:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-prov-minutes.html MacTed
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16:02:02 <MacTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
Ted Thibodeau: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
16:02:08 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
16:02:08 <Zakim> sorry, MacTed, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, MacTed, I don't know what conference this is ←
16:02:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see Luc, Zakim, RRSAgent, kai, Mike_, Curt, tlebo, SamCoppens, gk1, GK, MacTed, trackbot, stain, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Luc, Zakim, RRSAgent, kai, Mike_, Curt, tlebo, SamCoppens, gk1, GK, MacTed, trackbot, stain, sandro ←
16:02:11 <MacTed> Zakim, this is PROV
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, this is PROV ←
16:02:14 <Zakim> ok, MacTed; that matches SW_(PROV)11:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, MacTed; that matches SW_(PROV)11:00AM ←
16:02:18 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
16:02:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see tlebo, +1.443.708.aaaa, SamCoppens, Curt_Tilmes, ??P4, [OpenLink], ??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see tlebo, +1.443.708.aaaa, SamCoppens, Curt_Tilmes, ??P4, [OpenLink], ??P18 ←
16:02:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see khalidbelhajjame, Luc, Zakim, RRSAgent, kai, Mike_, Curt, tlebo, SamCoppens, gk1, GK, MacTed, trackbot, stain, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see khalidbelhajjame, Luc, Zakim, RRSAgent, kai, Mike_, Curt, tlebo, SamCoppens, gk1, GK, MacTed, trackbot, stain, sandro ←
16:02:27 <MacTed> Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me ←
16:02:29 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
16:02:30 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←
16:02:37 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
16:02:39 <Zakim> -??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P18 ←
16:02:43 <Luc> trackbot, start telcon
Luc Moreau: trackbot, start telcon ←
16:02:45 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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16:02:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be ←
16:02:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot ←
16:02:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
16:02:48 <trackbot> Date: 01 March 2012
16:02:55 <Zakim> +??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18 ←
16:02:56 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
16:03:04 <GK> zakim, ??p18 is me
Graham Klyne: zakim, ??p18 is me ←
16:03:04 <Zakim> +GK; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +GK; got it ←
16:03:14 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV
Luc Moreau: Zakim, this will be PROV ←
16:03:14 <Zakim> ok, Luc, I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Luc, I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM already started ←
16:03:31 <Luc> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.03.01
16:03:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
16:03:50 <Zakim> +??P22
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P22 ←
16:03:56 <Luc> Chair: Paul Groth
16:04:04 <Luc> have we got a scribe?
Luc Moreau: have we got a scribe? ←
16:04:17 <Zakim> +??P25
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25 ←
16:04:26 <khalidbelhajjame> zakim, ??P25 is me
Khalid Belhajjame: zakim, ??P25 is me ←
16:04:26 <Zakim> +khalidbelhajjame; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +khalidbelhajjame; got it ←
16:04:29 <Luc> Scribe: GK
(Scribe set to Graham Klyne)
16:04:40 <Luc> Topic: Admin
Summary: Beyond general admin, minutes of the F2F2 meeting were approved. The working group was reminded of the time change in the US.
<pgroth> Summary: Beyond general admin, minutes of the F2F2 meeting were approved. The working group was reminded of the time change in the US.
16:05:09 <pgroth> Minutes of the Feb 23 2012 Telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-02-23
Paul Groth: Minutes of the Feb 23 2012 Telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-02-23 ←
16:05:10 <Luc> rrsagent, make logs public
Luc Moreau: rrsagent, make logs public ←
16:05:16 <GK> Vote on minutes of last week telecon
Vote on minutes of last week telecon ←
16:05:21 <khalidbelhajjame> +1
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 ←
16:05:23 <Curt> +1
Curt Tilmes: +1 ←
16:05:24 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
16:05:26 <SamCoppens> +1
Sam Coppens: +1 ←
16:05:28 <dgarijo> +1
Daniel Garijo: +1 ←
16:05:30 <satya> +1
Satya Sahoo: +1 ←
16:05:31 <GK> OK, with revervartion per email
OK, with revervartion per email ←
16:05:35 <Mike_> +1
Michael Lang: +1 ←
16:05:37 <kai> +0, wasn't there
Kai Eckert: +0, wasn't there ←
16:06:33 <Zakim> +??P30
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30 ←
16:06:35 <tlebo> gk: did we explicitly agree to 3 parts, or a nod to the editors?
Graham Klyne: did we explicitly agree to 3 parts, or a nod to the editors? [ Scribe Assist by Timothy Lebo ] ←
16:07:12 <GK> +1
+1 ←
16:07:12 <pgroth> Vote Minutes of F2F2:
Paul Groth: Vote Minutes of F2F2: ←
16:07:16 <Paolo> +1
Paolo Missier: +1 ←
16:07:18 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-02-02
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-02-02 ←
16:07:19 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
16:07:21 <dgarijo> +1
Daniel Garijo: +1 ←
16:07:24 <kai> +1
Kai Eckert: +1 ←
16:07:25 <Zakim> +??P36
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P36 ←
16:07:37 <Luc> ACCEPTED: Minutes of the Feb 23 2012 Telecon
RESOLVED: Minutes of the Feb 23 2012 Telecon ←
16:07:37 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-02-03
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-02-03 ←
16:07:50 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a] ←
16:08:04 <Curt> 0 (not present)
Curt Tilmes: 0 (not present) ←
16:08:08 <GK> +1 (I think)
+1 (I think) ←
16:08:08 <MacTed> +0
Ted Thibodeau: +0 ←
16:08:11 <Mike_> 0 (not present)
Michael Lang: 0 (not present) ←
16:08:17 <khalidbelhajjame> +1
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 ←
16:08:23 <smiles> +1 (from a very quick look)
Simon Miles: +1 (from a very quick look) ←
16:08:24 <SamCoppens> +0 (not present)
Sam Coppens: +0 (not present) ←
16:08:36 <jcheney> +1
James Cheney: +1 ←
16:08:46 <Luc> ACCEPTED: Minutes of the second face to face meeting (F2F2) are approved
RESOLVED: Minutes of the second face to face meeting (F2F2) are approved ←
16:08:55 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/open
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/open ←
16:09:03 <GK> Open actions
Open actions ←
16:09:24 <GK> PROV-O - not yet due
PROV-O - not yet due ←
16:09:54 <GK> Action-63? Khalid needs more time - con tinues
ACTION-63? Khalid needs more time - con tinues ←
16:10:07 <GK> Actions 64-67 continue
Actions 64-67 continue ←
16:10:18 <GK> Action 57 continues
16:10:18 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 57
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - 57 ←
16:10:24 <dgarijo> @Khalid: Jun said she was interested in helping you. Maybe she'll contact you.
Daniel Garijo: @Khalid: Jun said she was interested in helping you. Maybe she'll contact you. ←
16:10:43 <GK> All please note that next teleconferences 11 mar - 25 Mar are one hour earlier in Europe
All please note that next teleconferences 11 mar - 25 Mar are one hour earlier in Europe ←
16:10:55 <MacTed> sending .ics files as invitations, based on Boston-local-time, helps get correct times into calendars...
Ted Thibodeau: sending .ics files as invitations, based on Boston-local-time, helps get correct times into calendars... ←
16:11:08 <GK> NOTE - time shift ONLY for Europe
NOTE - time shift ONLY for Europe ←
16:11:13 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
16:11:13 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
16:11:20 <pgroth> Timetable for Release
Paul Groth: Timetable for Release ←
16:11:24 <khalidbelhajjame> @Daniel, yes Jun sent me a document, which I will use in the structure that I ll propose
Khalid Belhajjame: @Daniel, yes Jun sent me a document, which I will use in the structure that I ll propose ←
16:11:30 <pgroth> Topic: Timetable for Release
Summary: A revised time table for the working group was presented by the chairs. The working group was reminded that this was an aggressive schedule but could be achieved through focused work.
<pgroth> Summary: A revised time table for the working group was presented by the chairs. The working group was reminded that this was an aggressive schedule but could be achieved through focused work.
16:11:39 <dgarijo> @Khalid: great
Daniel Garijo: @Khalid: great ←
16:11:55 <pgroth> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0An15kLxkaMA3dFVCWm9aREZFemNOYjlGQjdPRkdFZXc#gid=0
Paul Groth: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0An15kLxkaMA3dFVCWm9aREZFemNOYjlGQjdPRkdFZXc#gid=0 ←
16:12:07 <GK> Timetable for syncronized release of PROV-DM and PROV-O
Timetable for syncronized release of PROV-DM and PROV-O ←
16:12:41 <GK> Paul: Timetable is very aggressive.
Paul Groth: Timetable is very aggressive. ←
16:12:47 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo
Zakim IRC Bot: +Satya_Sahoo ←
16:12:53 <GK> .. Many documents will follow same timeline
.. Many documents will follow same timeline ←
16:13:26 <GK> .. beginning March - aim top have public WD5 at end of March for internal review
.. beginning March - aim top have public WD5 at end of March for internal review ←
16:13:36 <GK> .. 2-week review period
.. 2-week review period ←
16:14:19 <GK> .. feedback by ?? April, last call for all specifications at end of May
.. feedback by ?? April, last call for all specifications at end of May ←
16:14:39 <GK> .. Candidate REC in August
.. Candidate REC in August ←
16:14:49 <GK> .. Proposed REC in October
.. Proposed REC in October ←
16:14:55 <GK> .. REC in Jan 2013
.. REC in Jan 2013 ←
16:15:22 <GK> The next document needing to be looked at is PROV-O :
The next document needing to be looked at is PROV-O : ←
16:15:56 <GK> .. WD2 draft public mid-April, then same timeframe as DM
.. WD2 draft public mid-April, then same timeframe as DM ←
16:16:48 <GK> .. PROV0-AQ and Primer to follow same procedure as DM and Ont (End Mar internal, April(?) public)
.. PROV0-AQ and Primer to follow same procedure as DM and Ont (End Mar internal, April(?) public) ←
16:17:08 <pgroth> +q
Paul Groth: +q ←
16:17:13 <pgroth> q-
Paul Groth: q- ←
16:17:16 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:17:18 <smiles> q+
Simon Miles: q+ ←
16:17:20 <GK> Paul: Need to be aggressive in ,making progress, cull topics that inhibit progress.
Paul Groth: Need to be aggressive in ,making progress, cull topics that inhibit progress. ←
16:18:06 <GK> smiles: what happens after WD3 for Primer and PAQ?
Simon Miles: what happens after WD3 for Primer and PAQ? ←
16:18:22 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:18:25 <pgroth> ack smiles
Paul Groth: ack smiles ←
16:18:27 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:18:31 <GK> Paul: those are notes,m can be less aggressive, but need syncronized set for next round.
Paul Groth: those are notes,m can be less aggressive, but need syncronized set for next round. ←
16:18:37 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:18:53 <pgroth> PROV-DM
Paul Groth: PROV-DM ←
16:19:03 <GK> Topic: Update on PROV-DM:
Summary: Luc presented the current status of the prov-dm and then discussed the plans for WD5 and highlighted the remaining issues left and also that an improved organization would be adopted in the document. The group approved the simplification of specializationOf, alternateOf and hasNote into binary relations.
<pgroth> Summary: Luc presented the current status of the prov-dm and then discussed the plans for WD5 and highlighted the remaining issues left and also that an improved organization would be adopted in the document. The group approved the simplification of specializationOf, alternateOf and hasNote into binary relations.
16:19:41 <GK> Luc: going through comments, have raised issues for each. This will lead to completion of WD4.
Luc Moreau: going through comments, have raised issues for each. This will lead to completion of WD4. ←
16:20:36 <pgroth> q/
Paul Groth: q/ ←
16:20:39 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:20:45 <GK> .. plan for WD5 to tackle remaining issues in the charter, (collections, ..., ..., derivation). Also Jun's comments about structure of DM (why core + common relations). Edxpect all core technical issues to be addressed by WD5.
.. plan for WD5 to tackle remaining issues in the charter, (collections, ..., ..., derivation). Also Jun's comments about structure of DM (why core + common relations). Edxpect all core technical issues to be addressed by WD5. ←
16:20:52 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:21:28 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/index.php?title=ProvDMWorkingDraft5&action=edit§ion=2
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/index.php?title=ProvDMWorkingDraft5&action=edit§ion=2 ←
16:21:33 <GK> Paul: on agenda for 2-3 weeks, proposal for simplifying several relations in DM to make it more compatible with Ontology.
Paul Groth: on agenda for 2-3 weeks, proposal for simplifying several relations in DM to make it more compatible with Ontology. ←
16:21:43 <pgroth> Proposal: remove id and and attribute from alternateOf, specializationOf, and hasNote
PROPOSED: remove id and and attribute from alternateOf, specializationOf, and hasNote ←
16:21:56 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
16:22:00 <dgarijo> +1
Daniel Garijo: +1 ←
16:22:01 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:22:07 <Curt> +1
Curt Tilmes: +1 ←
16:22:07 <GK> alternativeOf, specializationOf, hasNote to be binary relations.
alternativeOf, specializationOf, hasNote to be binary relations. ←
16:22:15 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:22:17 <GK> q+ to ask if these are still needed?
q+ to ask if these are still needed? ←
16:22:18 <khalidbelhajjame> +1
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 ←
16:22:22 <Mike_> +1
Michael Lang: +1 ←
16:22:25 <jcheney> q+
James Cheney: q+ ←
16:22:48 <pgroth> ack GK
Paul Groth: ack GK ←
16:22:48 <Zakim> GK, you wanted to ask if these are still needed?
Zakim IRC Bot: GK, you wanted to ask if these are still needed? ←
16:23:24 <pgroth> ack jcheney
Paul Groth: ack jcheney ←
16:23:28 <GK> Paul: will deal with that separately.
Paul Groth: will deal with that separately. ←
16:23:54 <kai> +1
Kai Eckert: +1 ←
16:23:55 <GK> Jcheney: (can't hear clearly)
James Cheney: (can't hear clearly) ←
16:24:21 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:24:26 <GK> James asked if binary relations contained typo. A> yes, there is typo.
James asked if binary relations contained typo. A> yes, there is typo. ←
16:24:27 <pgroth> Proposal: remove id and and attribute from alternateOf, specializationOf, and hasNote
PROPOSED: remove id and and attribute from alternateOf, specializationOf, and hasNote ←
16:24:30 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
16:24:31 <Curt> +1
Curt Tilmes: +1 ←
16:24:32 <jcheney> +1
James Cheney: +1 ←
16:24:32 <smiles> +1
Simon Miles: +1 ←
16:24:32 <MacTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
16:24:33 <kai> +1
Kai Eckert: +1 ←
16:24:33 <Mike_> +1
Michael Lang: +1 ←
16:24:33 <SamCoppens> +1+1
Sam Coppens: +1+1 ←
16:24:33 <satya> +1
Satya Sahoo: +1 ←
16:24:34 <stephenc> +1
Stephen Cresswell: +1 ←
16:24:36 <dcorsar> +1
David Corsar: +1 ←
16:24:36 <GK> +1
+1 ←
16:24:37 <dgarijo> +1
Daniel Garijo: +1 ←
16:24:39 <zednik> +1
Stephan Zednik: +1 ←
16:24:41 <Paolo> +1
Paolo Missier: +1 ←
16:24:42 <khalidbelhajjame> +1
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 ←
16:24:50 <pgroth> accepted: remove id and and attribute from alternateOf, specializationOf, and hasNote
RESOLVED: remove id and and attribute from alternateOf, specializationOf, and hasNote ←
16:25:05 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-O
Summary: an extensive status review of the prov-o progress was given. Tim presented a system for monitoring alignment based on the ProvRDF mappings page as well as progress in cataloging issues.
<pgroth> Summary: an extensive status review of the prov-o progress was given. Tim presented a system for monitoring alignment based on the ProvRDF mappings page as well as progress in cataloging issues.
16:25:07 <tlebo> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.03.01#PROV-O.27s_prov-wg_telecon_report_2012-03-01
Timothy Lebo: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.03.01#PROV-O.27s_prov-wg_telecon_report_2012-03-01 ←
16:25:11 <GK> Next topic: PROV-O :
Next topic: PROV-O : ←
16:25:12 <jcheney> @GK: sorry, lots of us are all in same room at Dagstuhl so trying to avoid feedback
James Cheney: @GK: sorry, lots of us are all in same room at Dagstuhl so trying to avoid feedback ←
16:26:12 <GK> (Missed something) Progress on design for catalogue of examples. Hoping for this second round to be final structure for examples.
(Missed something) Progress on design for catalogue of examples. Hoping for this second round to be final structure for examples. ←
16:26:43 <GK> .. issues with alignment between DM, Primer and PROV-O. Have overview wiki page (link?)
.. issues with alignment between DM, Primer and PROV-O. Have overview wiki page (link?) ←
16:27:01 <GK> .. fielding issues from reviewers
.. fielding issues from reviewers ←
16:27:41 <GK> .. planning organization for next rev of prov-o HTML doc, following style of SiOC/FOAF/OPMV...
.. planning organization for next rev of prov-o HTML doc, following style of SiOC/FOAF/OPMV... ←
16:27:46 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:27:50 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:28:09 <Luc> q-
Luc Moreau: q- ←
16:28:17 <GK> Luc: were you going to ask DM people to do something similar.
Luc Moreau: were you going to ask DM people to do something similar. ←
16:28:40 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:28:43 <GK> Tim: asking for annotations in document to facilitate comparison. Will send email with details.
Timothy Lebo: asking for annotations in document to facilitate comparison. Will send email with details. ←
16:28:46 <GK> q+
q+ ←
16:28:51 <pgroth> ack GK
Paul Groth: ack GK ←
16:29:20 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:29:24 <tlebo> http://aquarius.tw.rpi.edu/prov-wg/provrdf-owl-coverage
Timothy Lebo: http://aquarius.tw.rpi.edu/prov-wg/provrdf-owl-coverage ←
16:29:35 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:29:41 <GK> Cool :)
Cool :) ←
16:30:02 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:30:21 <GK> (GK question was about use of services: github for compare and RPI service for formatting; A: yes)
(GK question was about use of services: github for compare and RPI service for formatting; A: yes) ←
16:30:48 <dgarijo> @tlebo:wasquotedFrom not mentioned?
Daniel Garijo: @tlebo:wasquotedFrom not mentioned? ←
16:31:00 <tlebo> @gk, the commands in the email thread can be ignored. the wg can focus on the results at http://aquarius.tw.rpi.edu/prov-wg/provrdf-owl-coverage
Timothy Lebo: @gk, the commands in the email thread can be ignored. the wg can focus on the results at http://aquarius.tw.rpi.edu/prov-wg/provrdf-owl-coverage ←
16:31:29 <GK> Khalid: need to think about minimal ... examples for every concept and property ...
Khalid Belhajjame: need to think about minimal ... examples for every concept and property ... ←
16:32:00 <GK> ... details to help structure the ontology better. Also structuring the ontology into "models" - what does this mean?
... details to help structure the ontology better. Also structuring the ontology into "models" - what does this mean? ←
16:32:13 <GK> @tlebo I was curious about thye tooling :)
@tlebo I was curious about thye tooling :) ←
16:32:21 <pgroth> Topic: Example Catalog
Summary: Tim presented a comprehensive structure for creating and documenting examples. The group approved this structure and the notion of having such a catalog. Curt, Sam, Mike, Tim and Luc all agreed to populate the catalog.
<pgroth> Summary: Tim presented a comprehensive structure for creating and documenting examples. The group approved this structure and the notion of having such a catalog. Curt, Sam, Mike, Tim and Luc all agreed to populate the catalog.
16:32:32 <GK> Next Topic: example catalogue
Next Topic: example catalogue ←
16:32:50 <GK> Tim put together a structure for this
Tim put together a structure for this ←
16:32:53 <tlebo> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PROV_examples
Timothy Lebo: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PROV_examples ←
16:34:40 <GK> Tim: link to description of proposed structure. Section 3 what we're trying to organize, section 4 patterns of organization. Use number to ensure uniqueness. Title optional, might change if that helps. Different directories for different formats.
Timothy Lebo: link to description of proposed structure. Section 3 what we're trying to organize, section 4 patterns of organization. Use number to ensure uniqueness. Title optional, might change if that helps. Different directories for different formats. ←
16:34:53 <tlebo> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/tip/examples/eg-1/rdf/convert/asn/eg-1.asn
Timothy Lebo: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/tip/examples/eg-1/rdf/convert/asn/eg-1.asn ←
16:35:38 <GK> .. transcriptions section... above path indicates in and out formats, can be extended across multiple steps
.. transcriptions section... above path indicates in and out formats, can be extended across multiple steps ←
16:36:04 <GK> .. query directory for query tests; compare for comparing output of queries
.. query directory for query tests; compare for comparing output of queries ←
16:36:30 <GK> .. document at any level for adding notes
.. document at any level for adding notes ←
16:37:10 <GK> .. wiki namespace for references to wiki
.. wiki namespace for references to wiki ←
16:37:33 <GK> .. links to web pages
.. links to web pages ←
16:37:41 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:37:54 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:38:02 <GK> @tlebo looked good to me first time, and getting better I think :)
@tlebo looked good to me first time, and getting better I think :) ←
16:38:15 <tlebo> @gk, thanks. More feedback welcome :-)
Timothy Lebo: @gk, thanks. More feedback welcome :-) ←
16:38:28 <pgroth> Consensus that we adopt this example catalog approach
Paul Groth: Consensus that we adopt this example catalog approach ←
16:38:31 <Paolo> +1
Paolo Missier: +1 ←
16:38:32 <satya> +1
Satya Sahoo: +1 ←
16:38:33 <smiles> +1 looks good
Simon Miles: +1 looks good ←
16:38:36 <zednik> +1
Stephan Zednik: +1 ←
16:38:39 <kai> +1
Kai Eckert: +1 ←
16:38:39 <MacTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
16:38:40 <GK> Chair declares consensus to adopt this approach
Chair declares consensus to adopt this approach ←
16:39:00 <pgroth> Accepted: adopt example catalog approach from agenda
RESOLVED: adopt example catalog approach from agenda ←
16:39:07 <tlebo> thanks, I'll press forward and make some real examples that people can follow.
Timothy Lebo: thanks, I'll press forward and make some real examples that people can follow. ←
16:39:11 <khalidbelhajjame> Can we add a link to the wiki page created by Tim to the main wiki page
Khalid Belhajjame: Can we add a link to the wiki page created by Tim to the main wiki page ←
16:39:43 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:39:44 <GK> Paul: call for volunteers to populate with examples
Paul Groth: call for volunteers to populate with examples ←
16:39:47 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
16:39:54 <Curt> +1
Curt Tilmes: +1 ←
16:39:55 <SamCoppens> +1
Sam Coppens: +1 ←
16:40:04 <Mike_> +1
Michael Lang: +1 ←
16:40:27 <Luc> +1
Luc Moreau: +1 ←
16:40:35 <pgroth> Volunteers - Curt, Sam, Mike, Tim, Luc
Paul Groth: Volunteers - Curt, Sam, Mike, Tim, Luc ←
16:40:49 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:40:49 <tlebo> please bug me if you have any questions about the organization.
Timothy Lebo: please bug me if you have any questions about the organization. ←
16:40:52 <GK> Paul: Others may contribute later!
Paul Groth: Others may contribute later! ←
16:41:00 <GK> (Slick chairing :)
(Slick chairing :) ←
16:41:05 <tlebo> q+
Timothy Lebo: q+ ←
16:41:10 <pgroth> ack tlebo
Paul Groth: ack tlebo ←
16:41:40 <pgroth> Topic: open discussion around accounts
Summary: The group had a discussion about revisiting the F2F2 decision around simplification/removal of the account construct. It was agreed that this discussion could be reopened but with the proviso that this discussion not impact progress on the deliverables. It was also suggested that accounts may better be discussed in a note rather than a recommendation to ensure on time delivery.
<pgroth> Summary: The group had a discussion about revisiting the F2F2 decision around simplification/removal of the account construct. It was agreed that this discussion could be reopened but with the proviso that this discussion not impact progress on the deliverables. It was also suggested that accounts may better be discussed in a note rather than a recommendation to ensure on time delivery.
16:41:44 <GK> Tim: asks to revisit F2F decision about accounts - believed we had removed account scoping, but still have bundles.
Timothy Lebo: asks to revisit F2F decision about accounts - believed we had removed account scoping, but still have bundles. ←
16:41:47 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:42:45 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:43:16 <GK> GK: had same understanding, but wonderedf if "bundles" might be called "accounts". But not strong feeling about this.
Graham Klyne: had same understanding, but wonderedf if "bundles" might be called "accounts". But not strong feeling about this. ←
16:44:01 <GK> Luc: mechanism for giving name to provenance assertions is outside scope of DM. But assume that mechanism exists.
Luc Moreau: mechanism for giving name to provenance assertions is outside scope of DM. But assume that mechanism exists. ←
16:44:06 <khalidbelhajjame> That's was my understanding too. When we need to speak about the provenance of a collection of provenance assertions, then we simply use Entity
Khalid Belhajjame: That's was my understanding too. When we need to speak about the provenance of a collection of provenance assertions, then we simply use Entity ←
16:44:22 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:44:22 <GK> .. would like to see accounts in model, but OIK to compromose.
.. would like to see accounts in model, but OIK to compromose. ←
16:44:26 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
16:44:45 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:44:55 <GK> I recall something along the lines of what Luc said, too (assume mechanism for labeling bundles)
I recall something along the lines of what Luc said, too (assume mechanism for labeling bundles) ←
16:45:26 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:45:30 <GK> Paul: fundamentally agreed to make accounts a lot simpler.
Paul Groth: fundamentally agreed to make accounts a lot simpler. ←
16:45:48 <GK> .. deferred discussion about where the mechanism might lie.
.. deferred discussion about where the mechanism might lie. ←
16:46:08 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
16:46:30 <GK> q+ to say I think the important thing may be to not prohibit private extensions for account-like functionality, but niot necessarily define now.
q+ to say I think the important thing may be to not prohibit private extensions for account-like functionality, but niot necessarily define now. ←
16:46:32 <tlebo> q+ to say that the can of worms was citing the asserter and having name scopes.
Timothy Lebo: q+ to say that the can of worms was citing the asserter and having name scopes. ←
16:46:56 <GK> Luc: can we reproduce something similar to what ? did for ?
Luc Moreau: can we reproduce something similar to what ? did for ? ←
16:47:23 <tlebo> I think Luc was citing http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvRDF#Account
Timothy Lebo: I think Luc was citing http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvRDF#Account ←
16:47:30 <GK> .. what is the minimal notion of accout we can put in, without getting bogged down in details.
.. what is the minimal notion of accout we can put in, without getting bogged down in details. ←
16:47:34 <tlebo> q?
Timothy Lebo: q? ←
16:47:36 <pgroth> ack GK
Paul Groth: ack GK ←
16:47:36 <Zakim> GK, you wanted to say I think the important thing may be to not prohibit private extensions for account-like functionality, but niot necessarily define now.
Zakim IRC Bot: GK, you wanted to say I think the important thing may be to not prohibit private extensions for account-like functionality, but niot necessarily define now. ←
16:48:14 <pgroth> ack tlebo
Paul Groth: ack tlebo ←
16:48:14 <Zakim> tlebo, you wanted to say that the can of worms was citing the asserter and having name scopes.
Zakim IRC Bot: tlebo, you wanted to say that the can of worms was citing the asserter and having name scopes. ←
16:48:39 <GK> GK: thinks minimal notion of accounts may useful way move forwards
Graham Klyne: thinks minimal notion of accounts may useful way move forwards ←
16:49:20 <GK> Tim: think accounts are victiome of name scope issue, but minimal notion may avoid this problem, as long as timeline not impacted.
Timothy Lebo: think accounts are victiome of name scope issue, but minimal notion may avoid this problem, as long as timeline not impacted. ←
16:49:22 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:49:29 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
16:49:58 <GK> Paul: if we can do this without impacting timeline, that's good, but must not cause delay.
Paul Groth: if we can do this without impacting timeline, that's good, but must not cause delay. ←
16:50:06 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:50:10 <GK> Luc: we could produce a NOTE on accounts if time runs out
Luc Moreau: we could produce a NOTE on accounts if time runs out ←
16:50:38 <smiles> bye
Simon Miles: bye ←
16:50:40 <GK> Meeting closed.
Meeting closed. ←
16:50:42 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
16:50:43 <Zakim> -tlebo
Zakim IRC Bot: -tlebo ←
16:50:44 <dgarijo> bye
Daniel Garijo: bye ←
16:50:47 <Zakim> -MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←
16:50:49 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo
Zakim IRC Bot: -Satya_Sahoo ←
16:50:51 <Zakim> -??P22
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P22 ←
16:50:53 <Zakim> -khalidbelhajjame
Zakim IRC Bot: -khalidbelhajjame ←
16:50:55 <Zakim> -Curt_Tilmes
Zakim IRC Bot: -Curt_Tilmes ←
16:50:57 <Zakim> -??P36
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P36 ←
16:51:01 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller.a] ←
16:51:03 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
16:51:07 <Zakim> - +1.443.708.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.443.708.aaaa ←
16:51:13 <Zakim> -SamCoppens
Zakim IRC Bot: -SamCoppens ←
16:51:17 <pgroth> rrsagent, set log public
Paul Groth: rrsagent, set log public ←
16:51:22 <pgroth> rrsagent, draft minutes
Paul Groth: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:51:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-prov-minutes.html pgroth
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-prov-minutes.html pgroth ←
16:51:23 <Zakim> -??P30
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P30 ←
16:51:29 <pgroth> trackbot, end telcon
Paul Groth: trackbot, end telcon ←
16:51:29 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
16:51:36 <GK> @paul: are you Ok from here - have meeting to retrun to now
@paul: are you Ok from here - have meeting to retrun to now ←
16:51:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
16:51:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-prov-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-prov-minutes.html trackbot ←
16:51:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
16:51:38 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
16:51:39 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been tlebo, +1.443.708.aaaa, SamCoppens, Curt_Tilmes, MacTed, Sandro, GK, [IPcaller], khalidbelhajjame, Satya_Sahoo
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been tlebo, +1.443.708.aaaa, SamCoppens, Curt_Tilmes, MacTed, Sandro, GK, [IPcaller], khalidbelhajjame, Satya_Sahoo ←
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