The last minutes were accepted; actions-10 is now closed and action-11 is carried over. The vote that occurred during the week was noted. All are again encouraged to sign up to be scribes for future meetings.
Timetable was was discussed. Everyone is invited to create a documentation of some group that might be a connection by using the DCMI example and adjusts it if needed. A catalog of relevant initiatives will be collated for F2F1.
Implementation and Test Cases TF Plan to F2F1
It is proposed that potential applications (within or outside the WG) that may implement the standard are identified. Template needs to be finalized. Members are invited to contribute information to the wiki.
Some proposals have already been submitted to the wiki. Further contributions are welcome. WG members are invited to review and comment on the proposals, by email or on the wiki.
Curation is to start week commencing 22nd. WG members are invited to submit their definitions and comments on definitions.
Consensus was reached on two proposals: a) Process executions start in the past, b) Initial definitions for the concept "Thing" and the relation "Invariant View or Perspective of". It was agreed that decisions are not final, but are a way to move forward to allows us to define other core concepts of the provenance interchange language.
<luc>GUEST: Ralph (ralphtq) Hodgson
14:50:17 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/06/16-prov-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/06/16-prov-irc ←
14:50:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world ←
14:50:22 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be ←
14:50:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot ←
14:50:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:50:23 <trackbot> Date: 16 June 2011
14:50:27 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV
Luc Moreau: Zakim, this will be PROV ←
14:50:28 <Zakim> ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes ←
14:50:50 <Luc> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.06.16
14:51:02 <Luc> Chair: Luc Moreau
14:51:24 <Luc> Regrets: Paolo Missier, Kai Eckert, Graham Klyne, Helena Deus
14:51:30 <Luc> rrsagent, make logs public
Luc Moreau: rrsagent, make logs public ←
14:51:30 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started ←
14:51:36 <Luc> scribe: dgarijo
(Scribe set to Daniel Garijo)
14:51:37 <Zakim> +??P34
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34 ←
14:51:48 <pgroth> Zakim, +??P34 is me
Paul Groth: Zakim, +??P34 is me ←
14:51:48 <Zakim> sorry, pgroth, I do not recognize a party named '+??P34'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, pgroth, I do not recognize a party named '+??P34' ←
14:51:58 <pgroth> Zakim, ??P34 is me
Paul Groth: Zakim, ??P34 is me ←
14:51:58 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgroth; got it ←
14:52:40 <Zakim> + +44.238.059.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.238.059.aaaa ←
14:52:50 <Luc> zakim, aaaa is me
Luc Moreau: zakim, aaaa is me ←
14:52:50 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Luc; got it ←
14:53:00 <Luc> zakim, who is here?
Luc Moreau: zakim, who is here? ←
14:53:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, Luc
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, Luc ←
14:53:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, pgroth, edsu, sandro, trackbot, stain
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, pgroth, edsu, sandro, trackbot, stain ←
14:54:19 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:54:35 <Luc> Topic: Admin
Summary: The last minutes were accepted; actions-10 is now closed and action-11 is carried over. The vote that occurred during the week was noted. All are again encouraged to sign up to be scribes for future meetings.
<luc>Summary: The last minutes were accepted; actions-10 is now closed and action-11 is carried over. The vote that occurred during the week was noted. All are again encouraged to sign up to be scribes for future meetings.
14:54:56 <dgarijo> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
Zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←
14:54:56 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dgarijo; got it ←
14:56:38 <Zakim> +??P38
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P38 ←
14:56:48 <stain> Zakim, ???P38 is me
Stian Soiland-Reyes: Zakim, ???P38 is me ←
14:56:48 <Zakim> sorry, stain, I do not recognize a party named '???P38'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, stain, I do not recognize a party named '???P38' ←
14:56:54 <stain> Zakim, ?P38 is me
Stian Soiland-Reyes: Zakim, ?P38 is me ←
14:56:54 <Zakim> sorry, stain, I do not recognize a party named '?P38'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, stain, I do not recognize a party named '?P38' ←
14:57:06 <stain> Zakim: +??P38 is me
14:57:06 <Zakim> +??P39
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P39 ←
14:57:14 <smiles> zakim, ??P39 is me
Simon Miles: zakim, ??P39 is me ←
14:57:14 <Zakim> +smiles; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +smiles; got it ←
14:57:28 <Zakim> +??P40
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P40 ←
14:57:30 <Zakim> +??P41
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P41 ←
14:58:23 <Zakim> -??P41
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P41 ←
14:58:26 <dgarijo> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.06.16
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.06.16 ←
14:58:34 <Zakim> +??P41
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P41 ←
14:58:36 <dgarijo> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.06.16
14:58:44 <jorn> Zakim: ??p41 is me
14:58:45 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aabb ←
14:58:51 <jorn> Zakim, ??p41 is me
Jörn Hees: Zakim, ??p41 is me ←
14:58:52 <Zakim> +jorn; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it ←
14:59:03 <tlebo> zakim, aabb is me
Timothy Lebo: zakim, aabb is me ←
14:59:04 <Zakim> +tlebo; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +tlebo; got it ←
14:59:25 <jorn> zakim, who is noisy?
Jörn Hees: zakim, who is noisy? ←
14:59:36 <Zakim> jorn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Luc (14%)
Zakim IRC Bot: jorn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Luc (14%) ←
15:00:00 <stain> (SIP on Android actually working)
Stian Soiland-Reyes: (SIP on Android actually working) ←
15:00:19 <Zakim> + +1.509.554.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.509.554.aacc ←
15:01:00 <Zakim> + +1.518.633.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.633.aadd ←
15:01:34 <Zakim> + +1.216.368.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.216.368.aaee ←
15:01:37 <ilkayaltintas> i'm calling via Skype so I don't know what my area code is
Ilkay Altintas: i'm calling via Skype so I don't know what my area code is ←
15:02:03 <Zakim> + +329331aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +329331aaff ←
15:02:13 <dgarijo> Luc: Welcome and review the tf drafts
Luc Moreau: Welcome and review the tf drafts ←
15:02:20 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-06-09
Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-06-09 ←
15:02:37 <dgarijo> ... accept the minutes of last week's telecon
... accept the minutes of last week's telecon ←
15:02:41 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
15:02:42 <dgarijo> dgarijo: +1
Daniel Garijo: +1 ←
15:02:43 <smiles> +1
Simon Miles: +1 ←
15:02:43 <SamCoppens> Zakim, +329331aaff is me
Sam Coppens: Zakim, +329331aaff is me ←
15:02:47 <zednik> +1
Stephan Zednik: +1 ←
15:02:48 <jun> +1
15:02:48 <satya> Luc: Accept the minutes for last telcon
Luc Moreau: Accept the minutes for last telcon [ Scribe Assist by Satya Sahoo ] ←
15:02:49 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
15:02:49 <olaf> +1
Olaf Hartig: +1 ←
15:02:51 <dcorsar> +1
David Corsar: +1 ←
15:02:52 <SamCoppens> +1
Sam Coppens: +1 ←
15:02:53 <ilkayaltintas> +1
Ilkay Altintas: +1 ←
15:02:55 <Zakim> + +49.302.093.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +49.302.093.aagg ←
15:03:09 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:03:13 <olaf> zakim, aagg is me
Olaf Hartig: zakim, aagg is me ←
15:03:17 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SamCoppens; got it ←
15:03:21 <jun> zakim, IPcaller is me
Jun Zhao: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
15:03:21 <Luc> ACCEPTED: minutes of last week's teleconference
RESOLVED: minutes of last week's teleconference ←
15:03:29 <jorn> +1
15:03:35 <jun> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
Jun Zhao: zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←
15:03:35 <Zakim> +??P29
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P29 ←
15:03:41 <Luc> A process execution has a duration, i.e. it spans a time interval. Statements denoting this duration are optional.
Luc Moreau: A process execution has a duration, i.e. it spans a time interval. Statements denoting this duration are optional. ←
15:03:48 <dgarijo> Luc: record the votes that took place during the week
Luc Moreau: record the votes that took place during the week ←
15:03:52 <Luc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Jun/0244.html
Luc Moreau: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Jun/0244.html ←
15:03:54 <stain> I didn't vote as I was not here last week - but neither was ilkayaltintas :)
Stian Soiland-Reyes: I didn't vote as I was not here last week - but neither was ilkayaltintas :) ←
15:03:57 <Zakim> +??P24
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24 ←
15:03:57 <dgarijo> ... on the mailing list
... on the mailing list ←
15:04:01 <Zakim> +olaf; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +olaf; got it ←
15:04:13 <Zakim> +jun; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jun; got it ←
15:04:22 <dgarijo> ... review actions
... review actions ←
15:04:27 <Zakim> sorry, jun, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jun, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]' ←
15:04:47 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aahh ←
15:04:49 <dgarijo> ... 2 actions for the coordinators of tf
... 2 actions for the coordinators of tf ←
15:05:01 <dgarijo> Luc: were completed during the week
Luc Moreau: were completed during the week ←
15:05:03 <Zakim> -??P24
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P24 ←
15:05:11 <jcheney> zakim, ??P24 is me
James Cheney: zakim, ??P24 is me ←
15:05:25 <dgarijo> Luc: the last item is that we are still need scribe volunteers
Luc Moreau: the last item is that we are still need scribe volunteers ←
15:05:26 <Zakim> +??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←
<luc>TOPIC: Connection TF Plan to F2F1
Summary: Timetable was was discussed. Everyone is invited to create a documentation of some group that might be a connection by using the DCMI example and adjusts it if needed. A catalog of relevant initiatives will be collated for F2F1.
<luc>Summary: Timetable was was discussed. Everyone is invited to create a documentation of some group that might be a connection by using the DCMI example and adjusts it if needed. A catalog of relevant initiatives will be collated for F2F1.
15:05:36 <dgarijo> Luc: Connection Task Force
Luc Moreau: Connection Task Force ←
15:05:38 <khalidbelhajjame> zakim, ??P7 is really me
Khalid Belhajjame: zakim, ??P7 is really me ←
15:05:42 <Zakim> +??P9
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9 ←
15:05:53 <Zakim> I already had ??P24 as ??P24, jcheney
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P24 as ??P24, jcheney ←
15:06:04 <dgarijo> ericstephan: update on the Connection TF & time table
Eric Stephan: update on the Connection TF & time table ←
15:06:23 <Zakim> +khalidbelhajjame; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +khalidbelhajjame; got it ←
15:06:24 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/F2F1_Connection_Proposal
Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/F2F1_Connection_Proposal ←
15:06:30 <dgarijo> ericstephan: meeting yesterday
Eric Stephan: meeting yesterday ←
15:06:35 <Zakim> + +1.540.449.aaii
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.540.449.aaii ←
15:06:41 <dgarijo> ... developed a timetible
... developed a timetible ←
15:06:58 <Zakim> +[LC]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[LC] ←
15:07:01 <dgarijo> ... for the next 2 weeks we are going to gather info about ppossible connections
... for the next 2 weeks we are going to gather info about ppossible connections ←
15:07:05 <edsu> zakim, LC is edsu
Ed Summers: zakim, LC is edsu ←
15:07:17 <dgarijo> ... using the template provided by kai
... using the template provided by kai ←
15:07:17 <Yogesh> zakim, +1.540 is me
Yogesh Simmhan: zakim, +1.540 is me ←
15:07:24 <Zakim> +Yolanda
Zakim IRC Bot: +Yolanda ←
15:07:42 <dgarijo> ... search possible "clients" to use the PIL
... search possible "clients" to use the PIL ←
15:07:51 <Zakim> +edsu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +edsu; got it ←
15:08:04 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:08:05 <dgarijo> Luc: have you identified contributors
Luc Moreau: have you identified contributors ←
15:08:09 <dgarijo> ... ?
... ? ←
15:08:10 <Zakim> +Yogesh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Yogesh; got it ←
15:08:20 <dgarijo> ... have you an online template already?
... have you an online template already? ←
15:08:48 <dgarijo> ericstephan: if anybody has one possible connection please contact the connection task force
Eric Stephan: if anybody has one possible connection please contact the connection task force ←
15:08:49 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:08:52 <pgroth> +q
Paul Groth: +q ←
15:08:55 <Zakim> + +1.915.603.aajj
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.915.603.aajj ←
15:08:58 <dgarijo> +q
+q ←
15:09:00 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:09:05 <Zakim> +??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←
15:09:06 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:09:11 <Zakim> +??P10
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10 ←
15:09:14 <dgarijo> pgroth: there is a template on the proposal page
Paul Groth: there is a template on the proposal page ←
15:09:16 <pgroth> q-
Paul Groth: q- ←
15:09:21 <YolandaGil> q?
Yolanda Gil: q? ←
15:09:27 <Luc> ack dgarijo
Luc Moreau: ack dgarijo ←
15:09:30 <dgarijo> q-
q- ←
15:09:30 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:10:09 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:10:24 <jorn> note irc being very laggy atm
Jörn Hees: note irc being very laggy atm ←
15:10:26 <dgarijo> YolandaGil: just wondering where to put the contributions?
Yolanda Gil: just wondering where to put the contributions? ←
15:10:47 <pgroth> +q
Paul Groth: +q ←
15:10:57 <dgarijo> ericstephan: want to do a catalogue with one page per possible connection
Eric Stephan: want to do a catalogue with one page per possible connection ←
15:11:00 <pgroth> q-
Paul Groth: q- ←
15:11:06 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:11:12 <dgarijo> Luc: add the entrypoints to the page, so anyone can contribute
Luc Moreau: add the entrypoints to the page, so anyone can contribute ←
15:11:58 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:12:09 <dgarijo> ... as a wg, we want to see how our model relates to other initievives (DC, etc). Are we going to start that work?
... as a wg, we want to see how our model relates to other initievives (DC, etc). Are we going to start that work? ←
15:12:43 <dgarijo> ericstephan: the model is evolving right now, so for now we will focus on possible collaborators
Eric Stephan: the model is evolving right now, so for now we will focus on possible collaborators ←
15:13:44 <dgarijo> Luc: that work would tell us which properties should the PIL tackle too
Luc Moreau: that work would tell us which properties should the PIL tackle too ←
15:13:59 <Zakim> -jorn
Zakim IRC Bot: -jorn ←
15:14:16 <Zakim> +??P41
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P41 ←
15:14:23 <dgarijo> ericstephan: yes, we'll be sensitive to that
Eric Stephan: yes, we'll be sensitive to that ←
15:14:23 <jorn> zakim, ??p41 is me
Jörn Hees: zakim, ??p41 is me ←
15:14:23 <Zakim> +jorn; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it ←
15:14:30 <pgroth> +q
Paul Groth: +q ←
15:14:44 <dgarijo> ... to the needs of other communities
... to the needs of other communities ←
15:15:05 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:15:15 <dgarijo> Luc: it doesn't have to be a detailed analysis
Luc Moreau: it doesn't have to be a detailed analysis ←
15:15:22 <Luc> ack pgroth
Luc Moreau: ack pgroth ←
15:15:46 <dgarijo> pgroth: in the template there are already fields in the line of work proposed by Luc
Paul Groth: in the template there are already fields in the line of work proposed by Luc ←
15:16:23 <dgarijo> ericstephan: Kai has already tracked that
Eric Stephan: Kai has already tracked that ←
15:16:48 <dgarijo> Luc: who is going to contribute to what?
Luc Moreau: who is going to contribute to what? ←
15:17:22 <dgarijo> ericstephan: 5 people contributing to the call yesterday, with different ideas/areas/interests
Eric Stephan: 5 people contributing to the call yesterday, with different ideas/areas/interests ←
15:17:28 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:18:12 <Zakim> +??P1
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P1 ←
15:18:14 <dgarijo> ... if anyone is interested, you don't have to belong to the tf to participate or provide pointers
... if anyone is interested, you don't have to belong to the tf to participate or provide pointers ←
<luc>TOPIC: Implementation and Test Cases TF Plan to F2F1
Summary: It is proposed that potential applications (within or outside the WG) that may implement the standard are identified. Template needs to be finalized. Members are invited to contribute information to the wiki.
15:18:35 <dgarijo> Luc: Implementation & test cases Task Force
Luc Moreau: Implementation & test cases Task Force ←
<luc>Summary: It is proposed that potential applications (within or outside the WG) that may implement the standard are identified. Template needs to be finalized. Members are invited to contribute information to the wiki.
15:18:42 <dgarijo> Luc: what is the situation?
Luc Moreau: what is the situation? ←
15:19:10 <dgarijo> zednik: yet to have a call.
Stephan Zednik: yet to have a call. ←
15:19:29 <dgarijo> ... to focus the direction/test cases / requirements
... to focus the direction/test cases / requirements ←
15:19:58 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:20:04 <pgroth> +q
Paul Groth: +q ←
15:20:07 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:20:10 <Luc> ack pgroth
Luc Moreau: ack pgroth ←
15:20:13 <ericstephan> +q
Eric Stephan: +q ←
15:21:43 <dgarijo> pgroth: be able to identify provenance systems that already use provenance.
Paul Groth: be able to identify provenance systems that already use provenance. ←
15:22:10 <dgarijo> pgroth: Implementor: somebody that would include our model in the system
Paul Groth: Implementor: somebody that would include our model in the system ←
15:22:12 <Luc> ack ericstephan
Luc Moreau: ack ericstephan ←
15:22:20 <pgroth> ack pgroth
Paul Groth: ack pgroth ←
15:22:21 <dgarijo> zednik: aka user
Stephan Zednik: aka user ←
15:22:52 <dgarijo> ericstephan: some of the work of the connection tf is connected to the use cases
Eric Stephan: some of the work of the connection tf is connected to the use cases ←
15:23:00 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:23:26 <dgarijo> ... maybe it is useful to detect potential clients
... maybe it is useful to detect potential clients ←
15:24:11 <dgarijo> zednik: we can do this, but it is not a big task.
Stephan Zednik: we can do this, but it is not a big task. ←
15:24:17 <dgarijo> Luc: it would be useful info to gather
Luc Moreau: it would be useful info to gather ←
15:24:49 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:24:50 <dgarijo> zednik: create a list of user who would be able to oncorpore the spec
Stephan Zednik: create a list of user who would be able to oncorpore the spec ←
15:25:32 <dgarijo> Luc: there is a bit of overlap between tf, but it is not necessarily a concern
Luc Moreau: there is a bit of overlap between tf, but it is not necessarily a concern ←
15:25:37 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:26:07 <dgarijo> Luc: next Item. Provenance access & query TF
Luc Moreau: next Item. Provenance access & query TF ←
15:26:12 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:26:21 <Luc> TOPIC: PAQ TF Plan to F2F1
Summary: Some proposals have already been submitted to the wiki. Further contributions are welcome. WG members are invited to review and comment on the proposals, by email or on the wiki.
<luc>Summary: Some proposals have already been submitted to the wiki. Further contributions are welcome. WG members are invited to review and comment on the proposals, by email or on the wiki.
15:26:31 <dgarijo> smiles: no comments about the template
Simon Miles: no comments about the template ←
15:26:48 <dgarijo> ... GK and Luc have added some proposals to the TF
... GK and Luc have added some proposals to the TF ←
15:26:55 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:26:58 <dgarijo> ... we need comments for the proposals
... we need comments for the proposals ←
15:27:24 <dgarijo> ... are they clear/not clear? please comment on them
... are they clear/not clear? please comment on them ←
15:27:26 <Zakim> -??P38
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P38 ←
15:27:37 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:27:56 <dgarijo> ... send comments also to the mailing list
... send comments also to the mailing list ←
15:27:56 <Yogesh> q+
Yogesh Simmhan: q+ ←
15:27:58 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:28:06 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
15:28:14 <stain> Zakim: +??P8 is me
15:28:15 <pgroth> yogesh?
Paul Groth: yogesh? ←
15:28:21 <Luc> ack yogesh
Luc Moreau: ack yogesh ←
15:28:43 <jun> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/F2F1_Access_and_Query_Proposal
Jun Zhao: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/F2F1_Access_and_Query_Proposal ←
15:28:47 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:29:30 <dgarijo> Luc: wiki or on the mailing list?
Luc Moreau: wiki or on the mailing list? ←
15:29:31 <pgroth> +q
Paul Groth: +q ←
15:29:44 <Zakim> -jorn
Zakim IRC Bot: -jorn ←
15:29:59 <pgroth> q-
Paul Groth: q- ←
15:30:14 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:30:20 <dgarijo> smiles: wiki, but no objections to mailing list
Simon Miles: wiki, but no objections to mailing list ←
15:30:25 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:31:03 <Luc> TOPIC: Model TF Plan to F2F1
Summary: Curation is to start week commencing 22nd. WG members are invited to submit their definitions and comments on definitions.
<luc>Summary: Curation is to start week commencing 22nd. WG members are invited to submit their definitions and comments on definitions.
15:31:04 <dgarijo> Luc: everybody can comment even if it is not on your tf
Luc Moreau: everybody can comment even if it is not on your tf ←
15:31:11 <dgarijo> Luc: Model TF
Luc Moreau: Model TF ←
15:31:19 <jun> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/F2F1_Model_Proposal
Jun Zhao: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/F2F1_Model_Proposal ←
15:32:16 <dgarijo> satya: there were discussions on the mailing list
Satya Sahoo: there were discussions on the mailing list ←
15:32:19 <Zakim> +??P21
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21 ←
15:32:24 <dgarijo> ... people can comment on the wiki pages
... people can comment on the wiki pages ←
15:32:32 <jorn> zakim, ??p21 is me
Jörn Hees: zakim, ??p21 is me ←
15:32:32 <Zakim> +jorn; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it ←
15:32:37 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:32:42 <dgarijo> ... or send an email to the mailing list
... or send an email to the mailing list ←
15:33:41 <dgarijo> Luc: the curation process. It would be nice to have some comments as to why we are not adopting a definition. Is something you are planning to do?
Luc Moreau: the curation process. It would be nice to have some comments as to why we are not adopting a definition. Is something you are planning to do? ←
15:34:48 <dgarijo> khalid: group concepts that people have agreed on
Khalid Belhajjame: group concepts that people have agreed on ←
15:35:12 <Zakim> +??P60
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P60 ←
15:35:19 <dgarijo> satya: for the f2f try to constraint the journalist example & the concepts that model the example
Satya Sahoo: for the f2f try to constraint the journalist example & the concepts that model the example ←
15:35:25 <stain> Zakim: +??P60 is me
15:36:18 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
15:36:37 <dgarijo> Luc: khalid proposed a definition of derivation. It would be useful to add comments why this def has been revised in terms of IVPT
Luc Moreau: khalid proposed a definition of derivation. It would be useful to add comments why this def has been revised in terms of IVPT ←
15:36:46 <dgarijo> pgroth: Jun's definition of derivation is a good model for tracking the updates of definitions
Paul Groth: Jun's definition of derivation is a good model for tracking the updates of definitions ←
15:36:55 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:36:55 <khalidbelhajjame> Ok,
Khalid Belhajjame: Ok, ←
15:37:02 <dgarijo> Luc: where to put these comments is up to you :)
Luc Moreau: where to put these comments is up to you :) ←
15:37:05 <Luc> ack pgroth
Luc Moreau: ack pgroth ←
15:37:19 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:38:00 <pgroth> +1 yes thank you coordinators
Paul Groth: +1 yes thank you coordinators ←
15:38:00 <Luc> TOPIC: Model Task Force
Summary: Consensus was reached on two proposals: a) Process executions start in the past, b) Initial definitions for the concept "Thing" and the relation "Invariant View or Perspective of". It was agreed that decisions are not final, but are a way to move forward to allows us to define other core concepts of the provenance interchange language.
<luc> Summary: Consensus was reached on two proposals: a) Process executions start in the past, b) Initial definitions for the concept "Thing" and the relation "Invariant View or Perspective of". It was agreed that decisions are not final, but are a way to move forward to allows us to define other core concepts of the provenance interchange language.
15:38:33 <dgarijo> Luc: properties to gather consensus
Luc Moreau: properties to gather consensus ←
15:38:45 <Luc> A process execution has either completed (occurred in the past) or is occurring in present (partially complete). In other words, the start of a process execution is always in the past.
Luc Moreau: A process execution has either completed (occurred in the past) or is occurring in present (partially complete). In other words, the start of a process execution is always in the past. ←
15:38:47 <dgarijo> Luc: paul sent a proposal to vote
Luc Moreau: paul sent a proposal to vote ←
15:39:29 <dgarijo> Luc: it would be nice to reach consensus here
Luc Moreau: it would be nice to reach consensus here ←
15:39:58 <dgarijo> Luc: suggestion by Simon to add additional info to the definition
Luc Moreau: suggestion by Simon to add additional info to the definition ←
15:40:33 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:41:00 <Luc> A process execution has either completed (occurred in the past) or is occurring in present (partially complete). In other words, the start of a process execution is always in the past, from the position of any assertion made about it.
Luc Moreau: A process execution has either completed (occurred in the past) or is occurring in present (partially complete). In other words, the start of a process execution is always in the past, from the position of any assertion made about it. ←
15:41:21 <jcheney> q+
James Cheney: q+ ←
15:41:25 <dgarijo> Luc: should it be rephrased?
Luc Moreau: should it be rephrased? ←
15:41:28 <Luc> ack jcheney
Luc Moreau: ack jcheney ←
15:41:32 <Zakim> + +1.650.386.aakk
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.650.386.aakk ←
15:42:00 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:42:05 <dgarijo> jcheney: if we approve this now is it going to be definitive or just agreeing on terminology as a starting point
James Cheney: if we approve this now is it going to be definitive or just agreeing on terminology as a starting point ←
15:42:07 <dgarijo> ... ?
... ? ←
15:42:10 <pgroth> q+ to respond to that
Paul Groth: q+ to respond to that ←
15:42:16 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:42:19 <dgarijo> ... maybe it will contraint us later
... maybe it will contraint us later ←
15:42:40 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:42:44 <Luc> ack pgroth
Luc Moreau: ack pgroth ←
15:42:44 <Zakim> pgroth, you wanted to respond to that
Zakim IRC Bot: pgroth, you wanted to respond to that ←
15:43:06 <Christine> +q
Christine Runnegar: +q ←
15:43:22 <jcheney> q-
James Cheney: q- ←
15:43:27 <dgarijo> pgroth: to get a set of terminology to agree in the beggining. Doesn't mean that we can't change it later, but just to understand us right now
Paul Groth: to get a set of terminology to agree in the beggining. Doesn't mean that we can't change it later, but just to understand us right now ←
15:43:32 <dgarijo> Luc: agrees
Luc Moreau: agrees ←
15:43:48 <satya> q+
Satya Sahoo: q+ ←
15:43:57 <Luc> ack Christine
Luc Moreau: ack Christine ←
15:44:15 <Christine> -q
Christine Runnegar: -q ←
15:44:16 <YolandaGil> Why don't you make these plans explicit, ie, say somewhere when will you allow a cycle of revisions to the model
Yolanda Gil: Why don't you make these plans explicit, ie, say somewhere when will you allow a cycle of revisions to the model ←
15:44:21 <Christine> q-
Christine Runnegar: q- ←
15:44:24 <dgarijo> Christine: might be more useful to separate process execution in the past from the one is now occurring
Christine Runnegar: might be more useful to separate process execution in the past from the one is now occurring ←
15:44:27 <dgarijo> Luc: why?
Luc Moreau: why? ←
15:44:38 <pgroth> Yolanda, good point
Paul Groth: Yolanda, good point ←
15:44:54 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:44:54 <dgarijo> Christine: it would make it easier to understand by the community.
Christine Runnegar: it would make it easier to understand by the community. ←
15:45:13 <Luc> ack Christine
Luc Moreau: ack Christine ←
15:45:43 <dgarijo> introduction of Ralph Hodgson a future new memeber for the group.
introduction of Ralph Hodgson a future new memeber for the group. ←
15:45:46 <pgroth> welcome, ralph
Paul Groth: welcome, ralph ←
15:46:03 <dgarijo> has not joined yet
has not joined yet ←
15:46:15 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:46:34 <pgroth> absolutely
Paul Groth: absolutely ←
15:46:46 <Luc> ack satya
Luc Moreau: ack satya ←
15:46:53 <satya> ...from the time instant any assertion is made about it
Satya Sahoo: ...from the time instant any assertion is made about it ←
15:47:03 <dgarijo> satya: small modification to de definition
Satya Sahoo: small modification to de definition ←
15:47:16 <dgarijo> ... simon's definition
... simon's definition ←
15:47:43 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:47:46 <Zakim> -jorn
Zakim IRC Bot: -jorn ←
15:47:49 <dgarijo> Luc: anyone has any problems with that?
Luc Moreau: anyone has any problems with that? ←
15:47:55 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:48:02 <Zakim> +??P21
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21 ←
15:48:08 <jorn> zakim, ??p21 is me
Jörn Hees: zakim, ??p21 is me ←
15:48:08 <Zakim> +jorn; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it ←
15:48:36 <jorn> zakim, aakk is maybe ralphtq
Jörn Hees: zakim, aakk is maybe ralphtq ←
15:48:36 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aakk is maybe ralphtq', jorn
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'aakk is maybe ralphtq', jorn ←
15:48:44 <dgarijo> satya: time dimension is always involved
Satya Sahoo: time dimension is always involved ←
15:48:50 <jorn> zakim, aakk maybe is ralphtq
Jörn Hees: zakim, aakk maybe is ralphtq ←
15:48:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aakk maybe is ralphtq', jorn
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'aakk maybe is ralphtq', jorn ←
15:49:00 <smiles> A process execution has either completed (occurred in the past) or is occurring in present (partially complete). In other words, the start of a process execution is always in the past, from the instant referred to by any assertion made about it.
Simon Miles: A process execution has either completed (occurred in the past) or is occurring in present (partially complete). In other words, the start of a process execution is always in the past, from the instant referred to by any assertion made about it. ←
15:49:10 <dgarijo> smiles: posts a suggestion to the definition
Simon Miles: posts a suggestion to the definition ←
15:49:27 <stain> what is 'the past' ?
Stian Soiland-Reyes: what is 'the past' ? ←
15:49:44 <Luc> PROPOSED: A process execution has either completed (occurred in the past) or is occurring in present (partially complete). In other words, the start of a process execution is always in the past, from the instant referred to by any assertion made about it.
PROPOSED: A process execution has either completed (occurred in the past) or is occurring in present (partially complete). In other words, the start of a process execution is always in the past, from the instant referred to by any assertion made about it. ←
15:49:44 <ralphtq> I am the person that asked about joining the call
Ralph Hodgson: I am the person that asked about joining the call ←
15:49:57 <ralphtq> my email is rhodgson@topquadrant.com
Ralph Hodgson: my email is rhodgson@topquadrant.com ←
15:49:57 <dgarijo> Luc: vote on this proposal
Luc Moreau: vote on this proposal ←
15:49:58 <satya> +1
Satya Sahoo: +1 ←
15:50:02 <jun> +1
15:50:03 <jorn> +1
15:50:04 <khalidbelhajjame> +1
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 ←
15:50:04 <SamCoppens> +1
Sam Coppens: +1 ←
15:50:04 <dgarijo> dgarijo: +1
Daniel Garijo: +1 ←
15:50:05 <stain> 0
15:50:05 <jcheney> +1
James Cheney: +1 ←
15:50:07 <olaf> +1
Olaf Hartig: +1 ←
15:50:09 <Yogesh> +1
Yogesh Simmhan: +1 ←
15:50:10 <dcorsar> +1
David Corsar: +1 ←
15:50:11 <smiles> +1 (though probably could still be phrased better)
Simon Miles: +1 (though probably could still be phrased better) ←
15:50:13 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
15:50:14 <Edoardo> +1
Edoardo (Edoardo, Edoardo_and_David) Pignotti: +1 ←
15:50:17 <ilkayaltintas> +1
Ilkay Altintas: +1 ←
15:50:18 <zednik> +1
Stephan Zednik: +1 ←
15:50:18 <tfrancart> 0
Thomas Francart: 0 ←
15:50:27 <JimM> +1 - provenance is past tense
James Myers: +1 - provenance is past tense ←
15:50:32 <YolandaGil> +1
Yolanda Gil: +1 ←
15:50:39 <Christine> Christine: not voting (the definition would benefit from some rephrasing for clarity)
Christine Runnegar: not voting (the definition would benefit from some rephrasing for clarity) [ Scribe Assist by Christine Runnegar ] ←
15:50:39 <jorn> zakim, aakk may be ralphtq
Jörn Hees: zakim, aakk may be ralphtq ←
15:50:39 <Zakim> +ralphtq?; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ralphtq?; got it ←
15:50:48 <Luc> ACCEPTED: A process execution has either completed (occurred in the past) or is occurring in present (partially complete). In other words, the start of a process execution is always in the past, from the instant referred to by any assertion made about it.
RESOLVED: A process execution has either completed (occurred in the past) or is occurring in present (partially complete). In other words, the start of a process execution is always in the past, from the instant referred to by any assertion made about it. ←
15:50:56 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:51:22 <dgarijo> Luc: discussion on resources and IVPT
Luc Moreau: discussion on resources and IVPT ←
15:51:37 <Luc> 1. We began definitions using resources, but were not progressing, because there is no universal definition of resource, and challenge with dealing with stateful resources 2. Two weeks ago, we decided to separate web architecture discussions from model discussions 3. We recognized that from a provenance viewpoint, we needed something that was stable/invariant/immutable, though we recognized that absolute immutability didn't really exist. Hence, we introduced the
Luc Moreau: 1. We began definitions using resources, but were not progressing, because there is no universal definition of resource, and challenge with dealing with stateful resources 2. Two weeks ago, we decided to separate web architecture discussions from model discussions 3. We recognized that from a provenance viewpoint, we needed something that was stable/invariant/immutable, though we recognized that absolute immutability didn't really exist. Hence, we introduced the ←
15:51:44 <dgarijo> ... would like to paste a small summary of the discussions from the mailing list
... would like to paste a small summary of the discussions from the mailing list ←
15:52:16 <dgarijo> ... 1 duscussion on resources, but got stuck
... 1 duscussion on resources, but got stuck ←
15:52:42 <ralphtq> my work is on the web as VOAG - Vocabulary of Attribution and Governance (this currently includes some Provenance concepts) - see http://www.linkedmodels.org/doc/voag/1.0
Ralph Hodgson: my work is on the web as VOAG - Vocabulary of Attribution and Governance (this currently includes some Provenance concepts) - see http://www.linkedmodels.org/doc/voag/1.0 ←
15:52:42 <dgarijo> ... there is no universal agreement on resource, and the state of the resources.
... there is no universal agreement on resource, and the state of the resources. ←
15:52:56 <dgarijo> ... then we separated the discussions
... then we separated the discussions ←
15:53:06 <dgarijo> ... arch/model
... arch/model ←
15:53:14 <Luc> 3. We recognized that from a provenance viewpoint, we needed something that was stable/invariant/immutable, though we recognized that absolute immutability didn't really exist. Hence, we introduced the idea of "Invariant View or Perspective on Thing" (IVPT)
Luc Moreau: 3. We recognized that from a provenance viewpoint, we needed something that was stable/invariant/immutable, though we recognized that absolute immutability didn't really exist. Hence, we introduced the idea of "Invariant View or Perspective on Thing" (IVPT) ←
15:53:39 <dgarijo> ... we recognised that we needed to have something immutable to assert provenance
... we recognised that we needed to have something immutable to assert provenance ←
15:53:46 <ralphtq> I finish my introduction with this link to my web page - I am the second person listed - http://www.topquadrant.com/company/mgmt.html
Ralph Hodgson: I finish my introduction with this link to my web page - I am the second person listed - http://www.topquadrant.com/company/mgmt.html ←
15:53:54 <Luc> 4. Last WE's discussions between Jim and I were about whether IVPT was a type on its own, distinct from other things
Luc Moreau: 4. Last WE's discussions between Jim and I were about whether IVPT was a type on its own, distinct from other things ←
15:54:16 <dgarijo> ... idea of IVPT. Generation in terms of IVPT
... idea of IVPT. Generation in terms of IVPT ←
15:54:43 <dgarijo> ... IVPT as a new concept, different than anything that we had
... IVPT as a new concept, different than anything that we had ←
15:54:51 <Luc> 5. I was convinced by Jim's argument that there is only a concept of "thing" with properties that are stable with respect to other things. So IVPT is not a separate type, but a relationship between types.
Luc Moreau: 5. I was convinced by Jim's argument that there is only a concept of "thing" with properties that are stable with respect to other things. So IVPT is not a separate type, but a relationship between types. ←
15:55:15 <Luc> but a relationship between things.
Luc Moreau: but a relationship between things. ←
15:55:22 <dgarijo> ... So IVPT is not a separate type, but a relationship between things
... So IVPT is not a separate type, but a relationship between things ←
15:55:22 <Luc> 6. We came up with the definition http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ConceptInvariantViewOnThing#Definition_by_Jim_and_Luc_v2_.28in_progress.29
Luc Moreau: 6. We came up with the definition http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ConceptInvariantViewOnThing#Definition_by_Jim_and_Luc_v2_.28in_progress.29 ←
15:55:47 <dgarijo> ... have a Luc at this definition and provide feedback
... have alookat this definition and provide feedback ←
15:56:08 <dgarijo> s/ Luc /look
15:56:30 <dgarijo> Luc: it is my perspective
Luc Moreau: it is my perspective ←
15:56:49 <Christine> What do you mean by "identity" in this context?
Christine Runnegar: What do you mean by "identity" in this context? ←
15:57:13 <dgarijo> ... using invariant properties and mutable properties
... using invariant properties and mutable properties ←
15:57:22 <dgarijo> ... first definition of thing
... first definition of thing ←
15:57:49 <dgarijo> ... relationship between things
... relationship between things ←
15:57:51 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:57:56 <ralphtq> I raise my hand to speak about SBFI and distinctions between Perspective, Viewpoint and Aspect
Ralph Hodgson: I raise my hand to speak about SBFI and distinctions between Perspective, Viewpoint and Aspect ←
15:57:57 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:57:57 <dgarijo> ... a thing can be invariant from another
... a thing can be invariant from another ←
15:57:58 <pgroth> christine
Paul Groth: christine ←
15:57:59 <Christine> q+
Christine Runnegar: q+ ←
15:58:19 <dgarijo> Christine: whta is identity in this context?
Christine Runnegar: what is identity in this context? ←
15:58:30 <jorn> s/whta/what
15:58:35 <jorn> s/whta/what/
15:58:42 <dgarijo> Luc: to me, it's the ability to distinguish 2 entities
Luc Moreau: to me, it's the ability to distinguish 2 entities ←
15:58:45 <Zakim> -Yolanda
Zakim IRC Bot: -Yolanda ←
15:59:11 <ralphtq> SBFI stands for Structure, Behavior, Function adn Interface/Interaction - dimensions that characterize a system + BDI - Beliefs, Desires and Intentions
Ralph Hodgson: SBFI stands for Structure, Behavior, Function adn Interface/Interaction - dimensions that characterize a system + BDI - Beliefs, Desires and Intentions ←
15:59:21 <dgarijo> Christine: identity is diferent from identification
Christine Runnegar: identity is diferent from identification ←
15:59:25 <Luc> he collective aspect of the set of characteristics by which a thing is definitively recognizable or known:
Luc Moreau: he collective aspect of the set of characteristics by which a thing is definitively recognizable or known: ←
16:00:01 <ralphtq> DOCLE ontology defines endurants and perdurants - are you wanting to be that deep about the nature of the world?
Ralph Hodgson: DOCLE ontology defines endurants and perdurants - are you wanting to be that deep about the nature of the world? ←
16:00:03 <dgarijo> Luc: identity: the collective aspect of the set of characteristics by which a thing is definitively recognizable or known
Luc Moreau: identity: the collective aspect of the set of characteristics by which a thing is definitively recognizable or known ←
16:00:05 <ralphtq> DOLCE
Ralph Hodgson: DOLCE ←
16:00:16 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:00:20 <pgroth> +q
Paul Groth: +q ←
16:00:20 <Christine> q-
Christine Runnegar: q- ←
16:00:27 <Luc> ack pgroth
Luc Moreau: ack pgroth ←
16:01:00 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:01:06 <satya> @Christine: Can we limit the scope of the definition to the journalism example for now?
Satya Sahoo: @Christine: Can we limit the scope of the definition to the journalism example for now? ←
16:01:11 <dgarijo> pgroth: reasonable, but concerned that it might be to deepas a definitio.
Paul Groth: reasonable, but concerned that it might be to deepas a definitio. ←
16:01:23 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:01:27 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:01:36 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:01:38 <ralphtq> q+
Ralph Hodgson: q+ ←
16:01:43 <JimM> q+
James Myers: q+ ←
16:01:54 <Christine> Paul, understand the need to reach consensus on language for definition
Christine Runnegar: Paul, understand the need to reach consensus on language for definition ←
16:02:01 <dgarijo> Luc: not trying to get a final def today
Luc Moreau: not trying to get a final def today ←
16:02:35 <dgarijo> Luc: but process exectution, generation, etc will refer to thing
Luc Moreau: but process exectution, generation, etc will refer to thing ←
16:02:46 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:02:47 <satya> q+
Satya Sahoo: q+ ←
16:02:50 <Christine> Perhaps we just need to briefly explain "identity" as it is used here
Christine Runnegar: Perhaps we just need to briefly explain "identity" as it is used here ←
16:02:55 <Luc> ack ralphtq
Luc Moreau: ack ralphtq ←
16:02:58 <dgarijo> ... we should get agreement asap, but not necessarily today
... we should get agreement asap, but not necessarily today ←
16:03:29 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:03:30 <Zakim> -jorn
Zakim IRC Bot: -jorn ←
16:03:47 <Zakim> +??P0
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0 ←
16:03:48 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:04:04 <jorn> zakim, ??p0 is me
Jörn Hees: zakim, ??p0 is me ←
16:04:04 <Zakim> +jorn; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it ←
16:04:27 <dgarijo> ralph: entity/thing. The DOLCE ontology has concepts to model some of the concepts endurants/perdurants
Ralph Hodgson: entity/thing. The DOLCE ontology has concepts to model some of the concepts endurants/perdurants ←
16:04:45 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:05:01 <dgarijo> ... viewpoints helps with the notion of identity
... viewpoints helps with the notion of identity ←
16:05:09 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:05:19 <dgarijo> ... because it is driven by context.
... because it is driven by context. ←
16:05:41 <satya> @ralph: Basic Formal Ontology (BFO) has similar concepts called continuants/occurrent
Satya Sahoo: @ralph: Basic Formal Ontology (BFO) has similar concepts called continuants/occurrent ←
16:05:42 <dgarijo> ... desires to have a lightweight notion for provenance
... desires to have a lightweight notion for provenance ←
16:05:59 <pgroth> thanks ralph
Paul Groth: thanks ralph ←
16:06:12 <Luc> ack JimM
Luc Moreau: ack JimM ←
16:07:03 <dgarijo> JimM: we have the use cases and we are looking for the lightweight notion to cover the user cases.
James Myers: we have the use cases and we are looking for the lightweight notion to cover the user cases. ←
16:07:11 <Zakim> -pgroth
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgroth ←
16:07:16 <Zakim> -tlebo
Zakim IRC Bot: -tlebo ←
16:07:27 <Zakim> -jorn
Zakim IRC Bot: -jorn ←
16:07:43 <satya> q-
Satya Sahoo: q- ←
16:08:07 <dgarijo> JimM: been trying to put consitent defs of all the concepts.
James Myers: been trying to put consitent defs of all the concepts. ←
16:08:18 <JimM> q-
James Myers: q- ←
16:08:36 <Luc> ack satya
Luc Moreau: ack satya ←
16:08:43 <dgarijo> satya: +1 to a lightweight notion to cover the use cases
Satya Sahoo: +1 to a lightweight notion to cover the use cases ←
16:08:53 <dgarijo> (+1 to that too)
(+1 to that too) ←
16:09:16 <Luc> Proposed: to use a notion of thing http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ConceptInvariantViewOnThing#Definition_by_Jim_and_Luc_v2_.28in_progress.29 as an initial definition to allow definitions of other concepts
PROPOSED: to use a notion of thing http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ConceptInvariantViewOnThing#Definition_by_Jim_and_Luc_v2_.28in_progress.29 as an initial definition to allow definitions of other concepts ←
16:09:32 <smiles> +1
Simon Miles: +1 ←
16:09:37 <zednik> +1
Stephan Zednik: +1 ←
16:09:38 <khalidbelhajjame> +1
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 ←
16:09:39 <dgarijo> Luc: proposes to use the notion of thing on the wiki
Luc Moreau: proposes to use the notion of thing on the wiki ←
16:09:44 <stain> +1
Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1 ←
16:09:46 <dgarijo> 0
0 ←
16:09:47 <jcheney> +1
James Cheney: +1 ←
16:09:54 <JimM> +1
James Myers: +1 ←
16:09:56 <tfrancart> +1
Thomas Francart: +1 ←
16:09:57 <Edoardo> +1
Edoardo (Edoardo, Edoardo_and_David) Pignotti: +1 ←
16:10:01 <olaf> +1
Olaf Hartig: +1 ←
16:10:09 <SamCoppens> +1
Sam Coppens: +1 ←
16:10:09 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
16:10:12 <Yogesh> +1
Yogesh Simmhan: +1 ←
16:10:18 <jun> +1
16:10:18 <ilkayaltintas> +1
Ilkay Altintas: +1 ←
16:10:28 <satya> 0
Satya Sahoo: 0 ←
16:10:28 <ralphtq> +1
Ralph Hodgson: +1 ←
16:10:30 <Christine> 0
16:11:09 <Luc> accepted: to use a notion of thing http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ConceptInvariantViewOnThing#Definition_by_Jim_and_Luc_v2_.28in_progress.29 as an initial definition to allow definitions of other concepts
RESOLVED: to use a notion of thing http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ConceptInvariantViewOnThing#Definition_by_Jim_and_Luc_v2_.28in_progress.29 as an initial definition to allow definitions of other concepts ←
16:11:16 <dgarijo> Luc: we don't have unanimity
Luc Moreau: we don't have unanimity ←
16:11:41 <dgarijo> Luc: we really should back to this def once we have a consistent set of definitions
Luc Moreau: we really should back to this def once we have a consistent set of definitions ←
16:12:10 <Zakim> - +1.518.276.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.518.276.aahh ←
16:12:11 <Zakim> - +1.509.554.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.509.554.aacc ←
16:12:11 <Zakim> - +1.216.368.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.216.368.aaee ←
16:12:11 <Zakim> -jun
Zakim IRC Bot: -jun ←
16:12:11 <Zakim> -edsu
Zakim IRC Bot: -edsu ←
16:12:12 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:12:13 <Zakim> -khalidbelhajjame
Zakim IRC Bot: -khalidbelhajjame ←
16:12:16 <Zakim> -SamCoppens
Zakim IRC Bot: -SamCoppens ←
16:12:18 <Zakim> -dgarijo
Zakim IRC Bot: -dgarijo ←
16:12:19 <Zakim> -??P40
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P40 ←
16:12:20 <dgarijo> Luc: now we can revise the other defs according to this one. Look forwardto see your contributions
Luc Moreau: now we can revise the other defs according to this one. Look forwardto see your contributions ←
16:12:21 <Zakim> - +1.915.603.aajj
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.915.603.aajj ←
16:12:23 <Zakim> -??P60
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P60 ←
16:12:25 <Zakim> -olaf
Zakim IRC Bot: -olaf ←
16:12:27 <Zakim> -??P1
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P1 ←
16:12:29 <Zakim> -smiles
Zakim IRC Bot: -smiles ←
16:12:33 <Zakim> -Yogesh
Zakim IRC Bot: -Yogesh ←
16:12:35 <Zakim> -??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P13 ←
16:12:38 <Zakim> -Ralph Hodgson
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ralph Hodgson ←
16:12:41 <ralphtq> yes
Ralph Hodgson: yes ←
16:12:43 <Zakim> -??P9
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P9 ←
16:12:46 <Zakim> - +1.518.633.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.518.633.aadd ←
16:12:46 <Luc> daniel, i can do the necessary incantations and have it for you to edit on the wiki
Luc Moreau: daniel, i can do the necessary incantations and have it for you to edit on the wiki ←
16:13:07 <ralphtq> zakim - did you want to ask me something?
Ralph Hodgson: zakim - did you want to ask me something? ←
16:13:55 <Luc> rrsagent, set log public
Luc Moreau: rrsagent, set log public ←
16:14:04 <Luc> rrsagent, draft minutes
Luc Moreau: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:14:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/16-prov-minutes.html Luc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/16-prov-minutes.html Luc ←
16:14:10 <Luc> trackbot, end telcon
Luc Moreau: trackbot, end telcon ←
16:14:10 <trackbot> Sorry, Luc, I don't understand 'trackbot, end telcon '. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, Luc, I don't understand 'trackbot, end telcon '. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help ←
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