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14:01:28 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD
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14:01:28 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started
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14:01:29 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
14:01:29 <trackbot> Date: 03 May 2012
14:01:30 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
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14:03:00 <Zakim> +gatemezi
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14:03:15 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone?
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:03:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see George, +3539149aaaa, Sandro, mhausenblas, gatemezi
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14:03:17 <Zakim> +??P29
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14:03:39 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me ←
14:03:39 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
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14:03:50 <fadmaa> Zakim, +35391 is me
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14:03:50 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it
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14:04:33 <cygri> scribe: cygri
(Scribe set to Richard Cyganiak)
14:04:54 <gatemezi> +1
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←
14:04:56 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me
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14:04:56 <cygri> topic: Admin
14:04:57 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: Government Linked Data (GLD) WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120503
Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: Government Linked Data (GLD) WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120503 ←
14:04:59 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted
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14:05:08 <cygri> PROPOSAL: accept last meetings' minutes
PROPOSED: accept last meetings' minutes ←
14:05:16 <cygri> RESOLUTION: accept last meetings' minutes
RESOLVED: accept last meetings' minutes ←
14:05:52 <cygri> minutes were here: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-04-26
minutes were here: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-04-26 ←
14:06:04 <fadmaa> zakim, unmute me
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14:06:04 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted
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14:06:11 <George> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2012Apr/0028.html
George Thomas: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2012Apr/0028.html ←
14:06:17 <cygri> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120503
14:06:23 <cygri> chair: George Thomas
14:06:38 <cygri> topic: Main Vocab Agenda: DCAT
14:07:21 <sandro> cygri: What I've been saying about this is "Oh Yeah, We'll be looking intot this... as part of void or dcat or something."
Richard Cyganiak: What I've been saying about this is "Oh Yeah, We'll be looking intot this... as part of void or dcat or something." [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:07:31 <sandro> ... This needs to be worked out. Some people have looked at this
Sandro Hawke: ... This needs to be worked out. Some people have looked at this ←
14:07:50 <sandro> ... semantic CKAN, which unfort. is defunct now. It was emitting both -- we can look at how they did it.
Sandro Hawke: ... semantic CKAN, which unfort. is defunct now. It was emitting both -- we can look at how they did it. ←
14:08:08 <sandro> ... I don't have a clear answer on how they can use them together.
Sandro Hawke: ... I don't have a clear answer on how they can use them together. ←
14:08:19 <sandro> ... that should be published as part of one or the other.
Sandro Hawke: ... that should be published as part of one or the other. ←
14:08:55 <cygri> George: do we want to do this in GLD? or do we defer to void?
George Thomas: do we want to do this in GLD? or do we defer to void? ←
14:09:01 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
14:09:27 <cygri> ack sandro
ack sandro ←
14:09:31 <Zakim> +BenediktKaempgen
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14:09:56 <gatemezi> I suggest we have the discussion in GLD..
Ghislain Atemezing: I suggest we have the discussion in GLD.. ←
14:10:12 <cygri> sandro: procedurally, it would fall on void to explain how they work together because void is not on REC track and hence not so stable
Sandro Hawke: procedurally, it would fall on void to explain how they work together because void is not on REC track and hence not so stable ←
14:10:13 <cygri> q+
q+ ←
14:10:19 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, who's here?
Benedikt Kaempgen: zakim, who's here? ←
14:10:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see George, fadmaa, Sandro, cygri, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, BenediktKaempgen
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see George, fadmaa, Sandro, cygri, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, BenediktKaempgen ←
14:10:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see BenediktKaempgen, cygri, gatemezi, Zakim, RRSAgent, fadmaa, MacTed, DaveReynolds, George, danbri_, rreck, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see BenediktKaempgen, cygri, gatemezi, Zakim, RRSAgent, fadmaa, MacTed, DaveReynolds, George, danbri_, rreck, trackbot, sandro ←
14:10:46 <fadmaa> zakim, mute me
Fadi Maali: zakim, mute me ←
14:10:46 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted
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14:12:51 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
14:12:57 <sandro> ack cygri
Sandro Hawke: ack cygri ←
14:15:53 <cygri> sandro: GLD should probably address it somehow, because people already use void
Sandro Hawke: GLD should probably address it somehow, because people already use void ←
14:16:04 <George> i'll ping the CKAN list and see when semantic.ckan.net might be back
George Thomas: i'll ping the CKAN list and see when semantic.ckan.net might be back ←
14:16:35 <George> then we'll use how it emits both DCAT and VOID to seed a GLD wiki page on the topic
George Thomas: then we'll use how it emits both DCAT and VOID to seed a GLD wiki page on the topic ←
14:17:04 <George> cygri: start with a wiki page and collect the obvious material - dcat example, void example, some options
Richard Cyganiak: start with a wiki page and collect the obvious material - dcat example, void example, some options [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
14:17:42 <George> sandro: start with ReSpec?
Sandro Hawke: start with ReSpec? [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
14:17:54 <George> cygri: what are the possible/desired outcomes?
Richard Cyganiak: what are the possible/desired outcomes? [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
14:18:55 <George> sandro: could be a working group note instead
Sandro Hawke: could be a working group note instead [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
14:19:24 <George> cygri: separate doc is overkill - preference is to put this in the void note
Richard Cyganiak: separate doc is overkill - preference is to put this in the void note [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
14:19:47 <George> ... could setup a void ED soon
George Thomas: ... could setup a void ED soon ←
14:19:58 <George> ... but start with wiki to iterate a bit
George Thomas: ... but start with wiki to iterate a bit ←
14:20:29 <gatemezi> +1 to create a wiki page
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 to create a wiki page ←
14:20:40 <cygri> ACTION: cygri to create wiki page for void-dcat mapping
ACTION: cygri to create wiki page for void-dcat mapping ←
14:20:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-69 - Create wiki page for void-dcat mapping [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2012-05-10].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-69 - Create wiki page for void-dcat mapping [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2012-05-10]. ←
14:21:09 <cygri> topic: DCAT Product Tracker http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2
14:21:16 <George> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/39
George Thomas: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/39 ←
14:21:27 <cygri> topic: DCAT Product Tracker Actions/Issues
14:22:25 <George> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/68
George Thomas: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/68 ←
14:22:36 <cygri> cygri: i'll update DERI dcat page to point to the WD
Richard Cyganiak: i'll update DERI dcat page to point to the WD ←
14:24:15 <cygri> ACTION: sandro to put in place proper HTML and RDF for the dcat namespace
ACTION: sandro to put in place proper HTML and RDF for the dcat namespace ←
14:24:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-70 - Put in place proper HTML and RDF for the dcat namespace [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-05-10].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-70 - Put in place proper HTML and RDF for the dcat namespace [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-05-10]. ←
14:24:52 <fadmaa> zakim, unmute me
Fadi Maali: zakim, unmute me ←
14:24:52 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted
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14:24:59 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2
Fadi Maali: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2 ←
14:25:51 <sandro> issue-7?
14:25:51 <trackbot> ISSUE-7 -- Drop dcat:accessUrl, use the URI of the dcat:Download resource instead -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-7 -- Drop dcat:accessUrl, use the URI of the dcat:Download resource instead -- raised ←
14:25:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/7
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/7 ←
14:25:51 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/7
Fadi Maali: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/7 ←
14:26:41 <cygri> fadmaa: on ISSUE-7, this is an old issue, i think olyerickson tried to follow up with edsu and got no reply
Fadi Maali: on ISSUE-7, this is an old issue, i think olyerickson tried to follow up with edsu and got no reply ←
14:26:52 <cygri> DaveReynolds: i thought we saw a response from Ed?
Dave Reynolds: i thought we saw a response from Ed? ←
14:26:54 <cygri> q+
q+ ←
14:27:17 <sandro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012Mar/0092.html
Sandro Hawke: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012Mar/0092.html ←
14:27:18 <cygri> george: really?
George Thomas: really? ←
14:30:03 <DaveReynolds> +1 to cygri - propose resolutions ahead of time to allow for discussion and preparation
Dave Reynolds: +1 to cygri - propose resolutions ahead of time to allow for discussion and preparation ←
14:31:09 <cygri> cygri: it would be helpful to propose resolutions before via email and have them explicitly on the agenda
Richard Cyganiak: it would be helpful to propose resolutions before via email and have them explicitly on the agenda ←
14:31:23 <cygri> george: yes, and it would be good if editors are prepared to address issues
George Thomas: yes, and it would be good if editors are prepared to address issues ←
14:31:48 <cygri> sandro: i think it makes sense to close the loop with ed. tell him to please come back to the WG if you care
Sandro Hawke: i think it makes sense to close the loop with ed. tell him to please come back to the WG if you care ←
14:32:43 <cygri> DaveReynolds: edsu offered to join a meeting where these issues are discussed. john's reply didn't respond to that
Dave Reynolds: edsu offered to join a meeting where these issues are discussed. john's reply didn't respond to that ←
14:33:03 <cygri> george: we'll ping him
George Thomas: we'll ping him ←
14:33:23 <cygri> ACTION: george to ping Ed Summers regarding DCAT ISSUE-7/8/9
ACTION: george to ping Ed Summers regarding DCAT ISSUE-7/8/9 ←
14:33:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-71 - Ping Ed Summers regarding DCAT ISSUE-7/8/9 [on George Thomas - due 2012-05-10].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-71 - Ping Ed Summers regarding DCAT ISSUE-7/8/9 [on George Thomas - due 2012-05-10]. ←
14:33:37 <cygri> ACTION-71?
14:33:37 <trackbot> ACTION-71 -- George Thomas to ping Ed Summers regarding DCAT ISSUE-7/8/9 -- due 2012-05-10 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-71 -- George Thomas to ping Ed Summers regarding DCAT ISSUE-7/8/9 -- due 2012-05-10 -- OPEN ←
14:33:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/71
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/71 ←
14:34:28 <cygri> sandro: should dcat be on the agenda for every vocabulary call, or every *other* vocab call?
Sandro Hawke: should dcat be on the agenda for every vocabulary call, or every *other* vocab call? ←
14:34:49 <cygri> ... we'd like him to participate in more than one meeting
... we'd like him to participate in more than one meeting ←
14:35:29 <fadmaa> +1
Fadi Maali: +1 ←
14:35:41 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
14:35:55 <cygri> ack me
ack me ←
14:35:55 <fadmaa> q+
Fadi Maali: q+ ←
14:36:19 <gatemezi> @Sandro: you mean having at least one dcat call per month?
Ghislain Atemezing: @Sandro: you mean having at least one dcat call per month? ←
14:37:02 <George> fadmaa: Rufus from CKAN has some DCAT input
Fadi Maali: Rufus from CKAN has some DCAT input [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
14:37:11 <cygri> fadmaa: i got some personal feedback from Rufus Pollock
Fadi Maali: i got some personal feedback from Rufus Pollock ←
14:37:20 <George> sandro: he should send an email to the public GLD WG list with his feedback.
Sandro Hawke: he should send an email to the public GLD WG list with his feedback. [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
14:37:35 <cygri> sandro: ask him to mail the GLD WG public comments list and the WG will add to the issue tracker system.
Sandro Hawke: ask him to mail the GLD WG public comments list and the WG will add to the issue tracker system. ←
14:38:04 <cygri> fadmaa: he suggested to distinguish mandatory and optional properties
Fadi Maali: he suggested to distinguish mandatory and optional properties ←
14:38:19 <cygri> ... so consumers can be sure that some basic properties will be present
... so consumers can be sure that some basic properties will be present ←
14:38:42 <cygri> ... and he suggested to drop some properties because they are underspecified
... and he suggested to drop some properties because they are underspecified ←
14:39:14 <cygri> ... things like dataQuality or dataDictionary
... things like dataQuality or dataDictionary ←
14:39:41 <cygri> ... vague definitions don't help much, and precise definitions might require more work and might be out of scope
... vague definitions don't help much, and precise definitions might require more work and might be out of scope ←
14:39:50 <cygri> ... i found this reasonable
... i found this reasonable ←
14:40:00 <cygri> q+
q+ ←
14:40:14 <cygri> george: so should something like dataDictionary be optional, or completely removed?
George Thomas: so should something like dataDictionary be optional, or completely removed? ←
14:40:24 <cygri> fadmaa: he says completely removed/deprecated
Fadi Maali: he says completely removed/deprecated ←
14:40:35 <George> ack fadmaa
George Thomas: ack fadmaa ←
14:42:09 <cygri> ack me
ack me ←
14:44:45 <cygri> cygri: defining something like "minimally complete record" is probably good
Richard Cyganiak: defining something like "minimally complete record" is probably good ←
14:45:13 <cygri> george: this might relate to the new Linked Data Protocol work
George Thomas: this might relate to the new Linked Data Protocol work ←
14:45:44 <cygri> ... you want to say, here are properties that you can expect
... you want to say, here are properties that you can expect ←
14:46:05 <cygri> ... on dataDictionary, it's possible that the CKAN folks don't find it useful, but we find it useful on data.gov
... on dataDictionary, it's possible that the CKAN folks don't find it useful, but we find it useful on data.gov ←
14:48:50 <gatemezi> So maybe we can provide in the usage page here http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/#property--data-dictionary how useful is on data.gov
Ghislain Atemezing: So maybe we can provide in the usage page here http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/#property--data-dictionary how useful is on data.gov ←
14:51:29 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
14:52:38 <George> cygri: conversations regarding DCAT as JSON-LD
Richard Cyganiak: conversations regarding DCAT as JSON-LD [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
14:53:06 <George> ... need to have an answer to 'can you use DCAT with JSON-LD?' kind of thing
George Thomas: ... need to have an answer to 'can you use DCAT with JSON-LD?' kind of thing ←
14:53:42 <George> DaveReynolds: specific to JSON-LD? what about Talis JSON-RDF?
Dave Reynolds: specific to JSON-LD? what about Talis JSON-RDF? [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
14:56:56 <cygri> (discussion on RDF in JSON)
(discussion on RDF in JSON) ←
14:58:08 <gatemezi> JSON-LD unofficial Draft here.. http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/json-ld-syntax/
Ghislain Atemezing: JSON-LD unofficial Draft here.. http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/json-ld-syntax/ ←
14:58:24 <DaveReynolds> +1 to cygri, vocabularies should be agnostic to RDF serializations
Dave Reynolds: +1 to cygri, vocabularies should be agnostic to RDF serializations ←
14:59:26 <sandro> note that http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-primer/ has every example in FIVE syntaxes, with toggles.
Sandro Hawke: note that http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-primer/ has every example in FIVE syntaxes, with toggles. ←
14:59:49 <cygri> sandro: the owl2 primer has all examples in five different syntaxes with a JS picker. we might want to do something like this
Sandro Hawke: the owl2 primer has all examples in five different syntaxes with a JS picker. we might want to do something like this ←
15:00:10 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:00:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see George, fadmaa, Sandro, cygri, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, BenediktKaempgen
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see George, fadmaa, Sandro, cygri, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, BenediktKaempgen ←
15:00:31 <rreck> like i said i couldnt call in
Ronald Reck: like i said i couldnt call in ←
15:01:56 <sandro> W3C Members, please give feedback on http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/charter -- AC Members, please vote now.
Sandro Hawke: W3C Members, please give feedback on http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/charter -- AC Members, please vote now. ←
15:01:58 <Zakim> -cygri
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15:02:06 <Zakim> -fadmaa
Zakim IRC Bot: -fadmaa ←
15:02:13 <cygri> RRSAgent, make minutes public
RRSAgent, make minutes public ←
15:02:13 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', cygri. Try /msg RRSAgent help
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', cygri. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←
15:02:17 <Zakim> -BenediktKaempgen
Zakim IRC Bot: -BenediktKaempgen ←
15:02:17 <gatemezi> -gatemezin
Ghislain Atemezing: -gatemezin ←
15:02:18 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds
Zakim IRC Bot: -DaveReynolds ←
15:02:20 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:02:24 <gatemezi> -gatemezi
Ghislain Atemezing: -gatemezi ←
15:02:24 <Zakim> -George
Zakim IRC Bot: -George ←
15:02:25 <cygri> RRSAgent, make logs public
RRSAgent, make logs public ←
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