IRC log of gld on 2012-05-03
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/05/03-gld-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be GLD
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- ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started
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- Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 03 May 2012
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- +mhausenblas
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- +gatemezi
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 14:03:15 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see George, +3539149aaaa, Sandro, mhausenblas, gatemezi
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- +??P29
- 14:03:39 [cygri]
- zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me
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- +cygri; got it
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- Zakim, +35391 is me
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- +fadmaa; got it
- 14:04:33 [cygri]
- scribe: cygri
- 14:04:54 [gatemezi]
- +1
- 14:04:56 [fadmaa]
- Zakim, mute me
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- topic: Admin
- 14:04:57 [sandro]
- sandro has changed the topic to: Government Linked Data (GLD) WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120503
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- fadmaa should now be muted
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- PROPOSAL: accept last meetings' minutes
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- RESOLUTION: accept last meetings' minutes
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- minutes were here: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-04-26
- 14:06:04 [fadmaa]
- zakim, unmute me
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- fadmaa should no longer be muted
- 14:06:11 [George]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2012Apr/0028.html
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- agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120503
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- chair: George Thomas
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- topic: Main Vocab Agenda: DCAT
- 14:07:21 [sandro]
- cygri: What I've been saying about this is "Oh Yeah, We'll be looking intot this... as part of void or dcat or something."
- 14:07:31 [sandro]
- ... This needs to be worked out. Some people have looked at this
- 14:07:50 [sandro]
- ... semantic CKAN, which unfort. is defunct now. It was emitting both -- we can look at how they did it.
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- ... I don't have a clear answer on how they can use them together.
- 14:08:19 [sandro]
- ... that should be published as part of one or the other.
- 14:08:35 [BenediktKaempgen]
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- 14:08:55 [cygri]
- George: do we want to do this in GLD? or do we defer to void?
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- q+
- 14:09:27 [cygri]
- ack sandro
- 14:09:31 [Zakim]
- +BenediktKaempgen
- 14:09:56 [gatemezi]
- I suggest we have the discussion in GLD..
- 14:10:12 [cygri]
- sandro: procedurally, it would fall on void to explain how they work together because void is not on REC track and hence not so stable
- 14:10:13 [cygri]
- q+
- 14:10:19 [BenediktKaempgen]
- zakim, who's here?
- 14:10:19 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see George, fadmaa, Sandro, cygri, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, BenediktKaempgen
- 14:10:22 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see BenediktKaempgen, cygri, gatemezi, Zakim, RRSAgent, fadmaa, MacTed, DaveReynolds, George, danbri_, rreck, trackbot, sandro
- 14:10:46 [fadmaa]
- zakim, mute me
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- fadmaa should now be muted
- 14:12:51 [sandro]
- q?
- 14:12:57 [sandro]
- ack cygri
- 14:15:53 [cygri]
- sandro: GLD should probably address it somehow, because people already use void
- 14:16:04 [George]
- i'll ping the CKAN list and see when semantic.ckan.net might be back
- 14:16:35 [George]
- then we'll use how it emits both DCAT and VOID to seed a GLD wiki page on the topic
- 14:17:04 [George]
- cygri: start with a wiki page and collect the obvious material - dcat example, void example, some options
- 14:17:42 [George]
- sandro: start with ReSpec?
- 14:17:54 [George]
- cygri: what are the possible/desired outcomes?
- 14:18:55 [George]
- sandro: could be a working group note instead
- 14:19:24 [George]
- cygri: separate doc is overkill - preference is to put this in the void note
- 14:19:47 [George]
- ... could setup a void ED soon
- 14:19:58 [George]
- ... but start with wiki to iterate a bit
- 14:20:29 [gatemezi]
- +1 to create a wiki page
- 14:20:40 [cygri]
- ACTION: cygri to create wiki page for void-dcat mapping
- 14:20:41 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-69 - Create wiki page for void-dcat mapping [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2012-05-10].
- 14:21:09 [cygri]
- topic: DCAT Product Tracker http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2
- 14:21:16 [George]
- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/39
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- topic: DCAT Product Tracker Actions/Issues
- 14:22:25 [George]
- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/68
- 14:22:36 [cygri]
- cygri: i'll update DERI dcat page to point to the WD
- 14:24:15 [cygri]
- ACTION: sandro to put in place proper HTML and RDF for the dcat namespace
- 14:24:15 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-70 - Put in place proper HTML and RDF for the dcat namespace [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-05-10].
- 14:24:52 [fadmaa]
- zakim, unmute me
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- fadmaa should no longer be muted
- 14:24:59 [fadmaa]
- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2
- 14:25:51 [sandro]
- issue-7?
- 14:25:51 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-7 -- Drop dcat:accessUrl, use the URI of the dcat:Download resource instead -- raised
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- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/7
- 14:25:51 [fadmaa]
- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/7
- 14:26:41 [cygri]
- fadmaa: on ISSUE-7, this is an old issue, i think olyerickson tried to follow up with edsu and got no reply
- 14:26:52 [cygri]
- DaveReynolds: i thought we saw a response from Ed?
- 14:26:54 [cygri]
- q+
- 14:27:17 [sandro]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012Mar/0092.html
- 14:27:18 [cygri]
- george: really?
- 14:30:03 [DaveReynolds]
- +1 to cygri - propose resolutions ahead of time to allow for discussion and preparation
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- 14:31:09 [cygri]
- cygri: it would be helpful to propose resolutions before via email and have them explicitly on the agenda
- 14:31:23 [cygri]
- george: yes, and it would be good if editors are prepared to address issues
- 14:31:48 [cygri]
- sandro: i think it makes sense to close the loop with ed. tell him to please come back to the WG if you care
- 14:32:43 [cygri]
- DaveReynolds: edsu offered to join a meeting where these issues are discussed. john's reply didn't respond to that
- 14:33:03 [cygri]
- george: we'll ping him
- 14:33:23 [cygri]
- ACTION: george to ping Ed Summers regarding DCAT ISSUE-7/8/9
- 14:33:23 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-71 - Ping Ed Summers regarding DCAT ISSUE-7/8/9 [on George Thomas - due 2012-05-10].
- 14:33:37 [cygri]
- ACTION-71?
- 14:33:37 [trackbot]
- ACTION-71 -- George Thomas to ping Ed Summers regarding DCAT ISSUE-7/8/9 -- due 2012-05-10 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/71
- 14:34:28 [cygri]
- sandro: should dcat be on the agenda for every vocabulary call, or every *other* vocab call?
- 14:34:49 [cygri]
- ... we'd like him to participate in more than one meeting
- 14:35:29 [fadmaa]
- +1
- 14:35:41 [George]
- q?
- 14:35:55 [cygri]
- ack me
- 14:35:55 [fadmaa]
- q+
- 14:36:19 [gatemezi]
- @Sandro: you mean having at least one dcat call per month?
- 14:37:02 [George]
- fadmaa: Rufus from CKAN has some DCAT input
- 14:37:11 [cygri]
- fadmaa: i got some personal feedback from Rufus Pollock
- 14:37:20 [George]
- sandro: he should send an email to the comments list if he would
- 14:37:24 [cygri]
- ... i told him to raise issues but he can't cause not WG member
- 14:37:35 [cygri]
- sandro: ask him to mail the comments list, or forward his mail
- 14:38:04 [cygri]
- fadmaa: he suggested to distinguish mandatory and optional properties
- 14:38:19 [cygri]
- ... so consumers can be sure that some basic properties will be present
- 14:38:42 [cygri]
- ... and he suggested to drop some properties because they are underspecified
- 14:39:14 [cygri]
- ... things like dataQuality or dataDictionary
- 14:39:41 [cygri]
- ... vague definitions don't help much, and precise definitions might require more work and might be out of scope
- 14:39:50 [cygri]
- ... i found this reasonable
- 14:40:00 [cygri]
- q+
- 14:40:14 [cygri]
- george: so should something like dataDictionary be optional, or completely removed?
- 14:40:24 [cygri]
- fadmaa: he says completely removed/deprecated
- 14:40:35 [George]
- ack fadmaa
- 14:42:09 [cygri]
- ack me
- 14:44:45 [cygri]
- cygri: defining something like "minimally complete record" is probably good
- 14:45:13 [cygri]
- george: this might relate to the new Linked Data Protocol work
- 14:45:44 [cygri]
- ... you want to say, here are properties that you can expect
- 14:46:05 [cygri]
- ... on dataDictionary, it's possible that the CKAN folks don't find it useful, but we find it useful on data.gov
- 14:48:50 [gatemezi]
- So maybe we can provide in the usage page here http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/#property--data-dictionary how useful is on data.gov
- 14:51:29 [George]
- q?
- 14:52:38 [George]
- cygri: conversations regarding DCAT as JSON-LD
- 14:53:06 [George]
- ... need to have an answer to 'can you use DCAT with JSON-LD?' kind of thing
- 14:53:42 [George]
- DaveReynolds: specific to JSON-LD? what about Talis JSON-RDF?
- 14:56:56 [cygri]
- (discussion on RDF in JSON)
- 14:58:08 [gatemezi]
- JSON-LD unofficial Draft here.. http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/json-ld-syntax/
- 14:58:24 [DaveReynolds]
- +1 to cygri, vocabularies should be agnostic to RDF serializations
- 14:59:26 [sandro]
- note that http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-primer/ has every example in FIVE syntaxes, with toggles.
- 14:59:49 [cygri]
- sandro: the owl2 primer has all examples in five different syntaxes with a JS picker. we might want to do something like this
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- zakim, who is on the call?
- 15:00:13 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see George, fadmaa, Sandro, cygri, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, BenediktKaempgen
- 15:00:31 [rreck]
- like i said i couldnt call in
- 15:01:56 [sandro]
- W3C Members, please give feedback on http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/charter -- AC Members, please vote now.
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- -cygri
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- -fadmaa
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- RRSAgent, make minutes public
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- I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', cygri. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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- -BenediktKaempgen
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- -gatemezin
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- -DaveReynolds
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- -Sandro
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- -gatemezi
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- -George
- 15:02:25 [cygri]
- RRSAgent, make logs public
- 15:02:51 [rreck]
- invited experts cannot vote?
- 15:03:56 [George]
- thanks for scribing richard!
- 15:04:01 [cygri]
- rreck, i don't think so. it's one vote per member org?
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- 15:05:04 [sandro]
- correct. this a vote as to what W3C will work on, so it's paying members only. public input has been and remains welcome, though.
- 15:05:14 [sandro]
- of course, rreck just left.
- 15:35:00 [Zakim]
- disconnecting the lone participant, gatemezi, in T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM
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- T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were George, +3539149aaaa, Sandro, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, cygri, fadmaa, BenediktKaempgen
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