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14:01:24 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #gld 14:01:24 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/05/03-gld-irc 14:01:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world 14:01:26 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #gld 14:01:28 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD 14:01:28 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started 14:01:29 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference 14:01:29 <trackbot> Date: 03 May 2012 14:01:30 <Zakim> +mhausenblas 14:02:15 <gatemezi> gatemezi has joined #gld 14:02:55 <cygri> cygri has joined #gld 14:03:00 <Zakim> +gatemezi 14:03:15 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone? 14:03:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see George, +3539149aaaa, Sandro, mhausenblas, gatemezi 14:03:17 <Zakim> +??P29 14:03:39 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me 14:03:39 <Zakim> +cygri; got it 14:03:50 <fadmaa> Zakim, +35391 is me 14:03:50 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it 14:04:33 <cygri> scribe: cygri 14:04:54 <gatemezi> +1 14:04:56 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me 14:04:56 <cygri> topic: Admin 14:04:57 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: Government Linked Data (GLD) WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120503 14:04:59 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted 14:05:08 <cygri> PROPOSAL: accept last meetings' minutes 14:05:16 <cygri> RESOLUTION: accept last meetings' minutes 14:05:52 <cygri> minutes were here: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-04-26 14:06:04 <fadmaa> zakim, unmute me 14:06:04 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted 14:06:11 <George> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2012Apr/0028.html 14:06:17 <cygri> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120503 14:06:23 <cygri> chair: George Thomas 14:06:38 <cygri> topic: Main Vocab Agenda: DCAT 14:07:21 <sandro> cygri: What I've been saying about this is "Oh Yeah, We'll be looking intot this... as part of void or dcat or something." 14:07:31 <sandro> ... This needs to be worked out. Some people have looked at this 14:07:50 <sandro> ... semantic CKAN, which unfort. is defunct now. It was emitting both -- we can look at how they did it. 14:08:08 <sandro> ... I don't have a clear answer on how they can use them together. 14:08:19 <sandro> ... that should be published as part of one or the other. 14:08:35 <BenediktKaempgen> BenediktKaempgen has joined #gld 14:08:55 <cygri> George: do we want to do this in GLD? or do we defer to void? 14:09:01 <sandro> q+ 14:09:27 <cygri> ack sandro 14:09:31 <Zakim> +BenediktKaempgen 14:09:56 <gatemezi> I suggest we have the discussion in GLD.. 14:10:12 <cygri> sandro: procedurally, it would fall on void to explain how they work together because void is not on REC track and hence not so stable 14:10:13 <cygri> q+ 14:10:19 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, who's here? 14:10:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see George, fadmaa, Sandro, cygri, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, BenediktKaempgen 14:10:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see BenediktKaempgen, cygri, gatemezi, Zakim, RRSAgent, fadmaa, MacTed, DaveReynolds, George, danbri_, rreck, trackbot, sandro 14:10:46 <fadmaa> zakim, mute me 14:10:46 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted 14:12:51 <sandro> q? 14:12:57 <sandro> ack cygri 14:15:53 <cygri> sandro: GLD should probably address it somehow, because people already use void 14:16:04 <George> i'll ping the CKAN list and see when semantic.ckan.net might be back 14:16:35 <George> then we'll use how it emits both DCAT and VOID to seed a GLD wiki page on the topic 14:17:04 <George> cygri: start with a wiki page and collect the obvious material - dcat example, void example, some options 14:17:42 <George> sandro: start with ReSpec? 14:17:54 <George> cygri: what are the possible/desired outcomes? 14:18:55 <George> sandro: could be a working group note instead 14:19:24 <George> cygri: separate doc is overkill - preference is to put this in the void note 14:19:47 <George> ... could setup a void ED soon 14:19:58 <George> ... but start with wiki to iterate a bit 14:20:29 <gatemezi> +1 to create a wiki page 14:20:40 <cygri> ACTION: cygri to create wiki page for void-dcat mapping 14:20:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-69 - Create wiki page for void-dcat mapping [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2012-05-10]. 14:21:09 <cygri> topic: DCAT Product Tracker http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2 14:21:16 <George> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/39 14:21:27 <cygri> topic: DCAT Product Tracker Actions/Issues 14:22:25 <George> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/68 14:22:36 <cygri> cygri: i'll update DERI dcat page to point to the WD 14:24:15 <cygri> ACTION: sandro to put in place proper HTML and RDF for the dcat namespace 14:24:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-70 - Put in place proper HTML and RDF for the dcat namespace [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-05-10]. 14:24:52 <fadmaa> zakim, unmute me 14:24:52 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted 14:24:59 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2 14:25:51 <sandro> issue-7? 14:25:51 <trackbot> ISSUE-7 -- Drop dcat:accessUrl, use the URI of the dcat:Download resource instead -- raised 14:25:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/7 14:25:51 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/7 14:26:41 <cygri> fadmaa: on ISSUE-7, this is an old issue, i think olyerickson tried to follow up with edsu and got no reply 14:26:52 <cygri> DaveReynolds: i thought we saw a response from Ed? 14:26:54 <cygri> q+ 14:27:17 <sandro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012Mar/0092.html 14:27:18 <cygri> george: really? 14:30:03 <DaveReynolds> +1 to cygri - propose resolutions ahead of time to allow for discussion and preparation 14:30:53 <danbri> danbri has joined #gld 14:31:09 <cygri> cygri: it would be helpful to propose resolutions before via email and have them explicitly on the agenda 14:31:23 <cygri> george: yes, and it would be good if editors are prepared to address issues 14:31:48 <cygri> sandro: i think it makes sense to close the loop with ed. tell him to please come back to the WG if you care 14:32:43 <cygri> DaveReynolds: edsu offered to join a meeting where these issues are discussed. john's reply didn't respond to that 14:33:03 <cygri> george: we'll ping him 14:33:23 <cygri> ACTION: george to ping Ed Summers regarding DCAT ISSUE-7/8/9 14:33:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-71 - Ping Ed Summers regarding DCAT ISSUE-7/8/9 [on George Thomas - due 2012-05-10]. 14:33:37 <cygri> ACTION-71? 14:33:37 <trackbot> ACTION-71 -- George Thomas to ping Ed Summers regarding DCAT ISSUE-7/8/9 -- due 2012-05-10 -- OPEN 14:33:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/71 14:34:28 <cygri> sandro: should dcat be on the agenda for every vocabulary call, or every *other* vocab call? 14:34:49 <cygri> ... we'd like him to participate in more than one meeting 14:35:29 <fadmaa> +1 14:35:41 <George> q? 14:35:55 <cygri> ack me 14:35:55 <fadmaa> q+ 14:36:19 <gatemezi> @Sandro: you mean having at least one dcat call per month? 14:37:02 <George> fadmaa: Rufus from CKAN has some DCAT input 14:37:11 <cygri> fadmaa: i got some personal feedback from Rufus Pollock 14:37:20 <George> sandro: he should send an email to the public GLD WG list with his feedback. 14:37:35 <cygri> sandro: ask him to mail the GLD WG public comments list and the WG will add to the issue tracker system. 14:38:04 <cygri> fadmaa: he suggested to distinguish mandatory and optional properties 14:38:19 <cygri> ... so consumers can be sure that some basic properties will be present 14:38:42 <cygri> ... and he suggested to drop some properties because they are underspecified 14:39:14 <cygri> ... things like dataQuality or dataDictionary 14:39:41 <cygri> ... vague definitions don't help much, and precise definitions might require more work and might be out of scope 14:39:50 <cygri> ... i found this reasonable 14:40:00 <cygri> q+ 14:40:14 <cygri> george: so should something like dataDictionary be optional, or completely removed? 14:40:24 <cygri> fadmaa: he says completely removed/deprecated 14:40:35 <George> ack fadmaa 14:42:09 <cygri> ack me 14:44:45 <cygri> cygri: defining something like "minimally complete record" is probably good 14:45:13 <cygri> george: this might relate to the new Linked Data Protocol work 14:45:44 <cygri> ... you want to say, here are properties that you can expect 14:46:05 <cygri> ... on dataDictionary, it's possible that the CKAN folks don't find it useful, but we find it useful on data.gov 14:48:50 <gatemezi> So maybe we can provide in the usage page here http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/#property--data-dictionary how useful is on data.gov 14:51:29 <George> q? 14:52:38 <George> cygri: conversations regarding DCAT as JSON-LD 14:53:06 <George> ... need to have an answer to 'can you use DCAT with JSON-LD?' kind of thing 14:53:42 <George> DaveReynolds: specific to JSON-LD? what about Talis JSON-RDF? 14:56:56 <cygri> (discussion on RDF in JSON) 14:58:08 <gatemezi> JSON-LD unofficial Draft here.. http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/json-ld-syntax/ 14:58:24 <DaveReynolds> +1 to cygri, vocabularies should be agnostic to RDF serializations 14:59:26 <sandro> note that http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-primer/ has every example in FIVE syntaxes, with toggles. 14:59:49 <cygri> sandro: the owl2 primer has all examples in five different syntaxes with a JS picker. we might want to do something like this 15:00:10 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call? 15:00:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see George, fadmaa, Sandro, cygri, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, BenediktKaempgen 15:00:31 <rreck> like i said i couldnt call in 15:01:56 <sandro> W3C Members, please give feedback on http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/charter -- AC Members, please vote now. 15:01:58 <Zakim> -cygri 15:02:06 <Zakim> -fadmaa 15:02:09 <DaveReynolds> DaveReynolds has left #gld 15:02:13 <cygri> RRSAgent, make minutes public 15:02:13 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', cygri. Try /msg RRSAgent help 15:02:17 <Zakim> -BenediktKaempgen 15:02:17 <gatemezi> -gatemezin 15:02:18 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds 15:02:20 <Zakim> -Sandro 15:02:24 <gatemezi> -gatemezi 15:02:24 <Zakim> -George 15:02:25 <cygri> RRSAgent, make logs public # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. DO NOT EDIT THIS LINE OR BELOW. SRCLINESUSED=00000151