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<trackbot> Date: 05 December 2011
<scribe> Scribe: Olivier
<scribe> ScribeNick: olivier
<kinetik> the conference code isn't work for me
<shepazu> nor me
<roc> "the conference is restricted at this time"
<kinetik> roc: use 26631
<roc> hey, this is a Compunetix conferencing system
<Joe> I am not able to join the conference -- getting "restricted at this time"
<kinetik> Joe: use 26631
<Joe> thx
<roc> my wife worked at that company
<roc> surprised to hear it's still alive
Olivier: [intro, hello world]
Doug: proposal for Olivier to join as co-chair
Olivier: explains how understanding of process could be useful, to help first-time chair Al
Doug: having two co-chairs also
helps
... not yet official, need to be vetted by W3C management
... if any objection, talk to me
Joe: support
[quick round of intros]
Joe: CEO of noteflight, music
notation software company
... lot of firsthand experience going into use cases
Doug: mostly experience with flash, also with Java?
Joe: our product mostly use flash, also have experience with Java and audio on many platforms
Doug: formality at W3C management on Wednesday
Doug: thoughts on f2f in LA
Al: 19-22 ?
Olivier: would we try and have it before, after, during?
Doug: better for me before
Joe: same for me, better before
ROC: have already signed up for
another event around same dates
... might be possible to fly straight there
... f2f discussions are good to know people, not sure how this
can be effective
Doug: group has lacked cohesion so far, a f2f might help
Al: any other time of the year you're already in the area, ROC?
ROC: might be in North America in
July
... Matthew can represent Moz
... but might be hard representing the work I've been doing
Doug: think the f2f would be a
good idea, would also be good to go to NAMM
... people who can't make it could call in?
Joe: would work for me, would be good to meet others since I'm going to NAMM anyway
Doug: we probably should do it
RESOLUTION: assuming we can find logistics, the group would like to have f2f meeting around NAMM in January
Doug: ideal if someone from WebRTC from Mozilla can join too
Joe: amendment - would be hard to do it before, after works
olivier: ditto
Al: ditto
Doug: not me, but noone cares about me anyway
(scribe may be taking liberties here)
Doug: two possibilities for the
publication
... we should try and publish ASAP
Olivier: we had resolution to publish at TPAC, just a matter of how, and ASAP...
Doug: two ways we could
publish
... one has the two proposals as part of the same spec
(chapters)
... or an umbrella document, and two separate docs for each
proposal
... first approach has one name for the doc "web audio
API"
... the other approach would have "web audio api" be a landing
page
... and the two proposals "media processing api" and "web audio
graph api'
Al: would require renaming Chris Rogers' doc?
Doug: yes
ROC: don't object keeping its current name
Al: could make it confusing, if Chris is amenable, we should rename it
Olivier: would be nice to keep "web audio API" for umbrella spec
Doug: would like there to be one
spec come out of this
... can't speak for merits of each proposal, but would be good
to integrate the two proposals into one
... if we can
... and have a "web audio API" spec and a "something"spec
Previous: http://www.w3.org/2011/10/31-audio-minutes.html
Doug: which approach would the group prefer?
Olivier: concern was to publish
two specs, one gets abandoned
... Doug, maybe you can explain how this would be handled?
Doug: the spec that does not get
pushed forward gets published as a note
... the other goes forward in REC track
ROC: suggest we get feedback from
other vendors
... Microsoft and Opera
... we want the spec to be implemented
... if browser vendors have preferences, they should be heard
ASAP
Doug: am trying to get that from them
Olivier: seems to be a good
reason to publish FPWD
... publish and gather feedback
RESOLUTION: publish one umbrella document, two proposals as FPWD
RESOLUTION: subject to confirmation by Chris R, the three documents will be "Web Audio API", "Media Streaming API" and "Web Audio Graph API"
Al: use cases copy-pasted from
the incubator group
... wanted to go over those and make it relevant
... don't think streaming is mentioned there
Olivier: what happened to the list we drafted at TPAC? seems to have been overwritten?
<FILT3R> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/wiki/Basic-Examples
Al: the page we started on at
TPAC is now here
... -> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/wiki/Basic-Examples
... goal was to give simple examples with pseudo-code
... two completely different pages
<FILT3R> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/wiki/Use-Cases
Al: the use cases are here:
http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/wiki/Use-Cases
... and were copied from incubator group
... nothing touched here for over a year
... would like the group to look through those and add anything
missing
Doug: few different ways we can
make progress here
... could spend time on telcond about this, might be more
productive if individuals take cases and develop them
further
Al: do we have an anatomy of a use case we could use ?
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to provide "anatomy of a use case" template [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/05-audio-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Provide "anatomy of a use case" template [on Doug Schepers - due 2011-12-12].
s/bt/by/
Olivier: suggest people send intention to work on section, coordinate with others wanting to work on same
Doug: agreed
Doug: we have coordinated with
them already
... let's make sure we take their use cases and req into
account
Olivier: happy to look into it
<scribe> ACTION: Olivier to integrate WebRTC use cases into our doc [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/05-audio-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Integrate WebRTC use cases into our doc [on Olivier Thereaux - due 2011-12-12].
<scribe> ACTION: Al to find minutes of joint meeting with WebRTC (if any available) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/05-audio-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Al
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