<klotz> invite zakim

<pfennell> I'm in an open office at present so I'll be muted most of the time.

<scribe> scribe: John_Boyer

Schema work

<klotz> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Jul/0026.html

Leigh: We don't have a quorum, but there are a few tings we can discuss

<klotz> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Aug/0001.html

Leigh: Phillip is interested in working on some schema stuff for Oxygen
... Kurt Cagle advises having more than one schema for various reasons
... I've written schemas that stick to what's allowed, but Mark Birbeck wants schemas that only forbid what isn't allowed for extensibility
... Sticking to what's allowed also helps design environments provide better guidance and expresses what's interoperable
... But doesn't make as much allowance for extensibility
... Kurt points out we need a strict schema, a lax schema and possibly a third
... Phillip, keep in mind which of these (or possibly more than one at a time) use cases you're writing for as you do your NVDL
... Hopefully NVDL will better enable mixed namespace validation to make it easier to define XForms 1.1 validation separately from host language valdiation

Phillip: NVDL lets you do that

<klotz> http://jnvdl.sourceforge.net/tutorial.html

Leigh: It is very hard with XML Schema to make xforms repeat work with a host language; not impossible, but a combinatorial explosion. With NVDL, there is better separation of namespace, so the stuff inside the repeat will just validate transparently as content of the container element of the repeat
... We also need to take a look at the W3C universal validator

Phillip: Is that Unicorn? I was playing around with that and found that ATOM is not supported

Leigh: Covered schema issue now

Matrix URIs

Phillip: Colon-separated parameters don't work well with HTML forms
... Was wondering if XForms could address this. I should do a write-up

<klotz> http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/MatrixURIs.html

Leigh: Our only node write now is that you can set the separator, which now defaults to ampersand, but you can set it to semicolon right now
... and serialization visits leaf nods of the XML data instance

<scribe> ACTION: Phillip to send group a note about current state of the art on matrix URIs to enable consideration of how to address them in submission serialization [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/11-forms-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Phillip

<klotz> http://weblogs.java.net/blog/2006/06/30/wadl-enhancements

Leigh: Both Phillip and I have done WADL to XForms conversions
... It is hard to do without the matrix URI support
... You can have separate schemas depending on what HTTP method is being used. You can GET a isMarried boolean but you can't POST it, for example

<klotz> thanks john and philip

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