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<trackbot> Date: 12 April 2010
<ChrisL> hi
<ChrisL> http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2010/index.php?p=en/location
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<ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Test_Suite_1.1F2
<ed> ED: so, approve the tests labeled as "reviewed by CL, approve?"
<ed> ALL: yes, go ahead
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<ed> ACTION: ed to mark the "reviewed by CL, approve?" tests as approved, and generate updated reference images [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/12-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2756 - Mark the "reviewed by CL, approve?" tests as approved, and generate updated reference images [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-04-19].
<ChrisL> template fixed
<scribe> scribe: anthony
<scribe> ScribeNick: anthony
ED: I think the grammar for the elliptical has been fixed
<ed> paths-data-20-f.svg
ED: I added a test for it
... would like some one to view the test
DS: Jeff Schiller had more to say about the syntax on the mailing list
ED: My update was after his
email
... it covers white space after the first and second flags
DS: We could mention at least in
the context of SVG 2.0
... a lacuna value for any given coordinate that is out of
range
... can say it is assumed to be zero
ED: I'm not sure really
... if you want to go with 1 or 0 then you have a bias
DS: It's only cases where the arc
flags are messed up
... what do you do with it?
ED: We just check if its 1 or 0
that's all
... if it's say 2
... we just say it's invalid
... you can't really parse it as anything else
DS: We should have it do
something
... does the spec say what to do if the grammar isn't
followed?
ED: It says what to do if the
segment is not valid
... you render up to the valid point
... that's what is mentioned in 1.1 anyway
... render up to the last valid segement
... then continue with the rest of the document
... that's what the tests I wrote do
... and the tests from Microsoft
PD: I'm pretty sure that the spec
says for this case
... exactly what Erik was saying
DS: I want to make sure this is
captured in SVG 2.0
... I'll start an issue
... to make sure this is covered
ED: Any volunteers to review the test?
PD: We can review it
<scribe> ACTION: Patrick to Review paths-data-20-f.svg [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/12-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2757 - Review paths-data-20-f.svg [on Patrick Dengler - due 2010-04-19].
ED: Do we have a sign up form?
CL: No, I'll do that today
<ChrisL> i will make one today
<shepazu_> trackbot, pointer?
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ED: We should schedule a telcon
time
... to review some of the issues
DS: We should ask them
ED: I can send an email to ask them to do it Thursday next week
PD: I'm not getting any information on the discussion
DS: Probably not on the mailing list
<shepazu_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fx/
DS: I'll drop you a link
... Just thinking about the dynamics about how this would play
out
... we have come to a conclusion about image fit
... and then we go to the CSS WG and they get frustrated
because we've had these private discussions
... we shouldn't talk about it in the groups
... and do it on the FX list
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to Suggest a new telcon time for the FX Task Force group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/12-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2758 - Suggest a new telcon time for the FX Task Force group [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-04-19].
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010AprJun/0016.html
AG: I've reviewed the test
... and the test looks fine to me
ED: Can we go ahead and approve the test?
ALL: Ok
AG: I suggested some extra
wording
... to clarify the spec
ED: It is a bit wordy
... but it's sort of saying the same thing else where in
xlink:href I think
... definitely something that could be interpreted in two
different ways
... what does everything else thing of the additional
wording?
CL: I think it would be good to put it in 1.1 SE
ED: It's more clear to me
... where should it go? In 'fx' or in 'fy' as well
AG: So, I had written the wording
to go into the 'fx' attribute
... can be referenced by 'fy'
<scribe> ACTION: Anthony to Add the the proposed wording for 'fx' clarification to SVG 1.1 2nd Edition [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/12-svg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2759 - Add the the proposed wording for 'fx' clarification to SVG 1.1 2nd Edition [on Anthony Grasso - due 2010-04-19].
<patrickd> http://www.microsoft.com/ebc/brussels.mspx
PD: There's a link to the location
ED: We have a registration page
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/19480/SVGBrussels/
CL: Doug you asked if we could have a joint meeting with LGM
DS: The last I heard from them
that they understood that we wanted have a meeting with
them
... during the conference
... what we had intended was people from LGM to participate in
the F2F
CL: Seems like we need to close a
loop on that
... I'd be happy either way
... or for a panel and a meeting to occur
DS: I was going to say we could
explain how the process works
... and see if we can get people participating from the
community
... or at least get an understanding of why things take
time
... but I'll follow through with them
<ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVGF2F_2010_LGM
<ChrisL> so we can add hotel etc onto that
CL: We have an implementation
report
... which is largely complete
<ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/implementation-report.html
CL: I've been maintaining
that
... updating every time new versions of implementations come
out
... we only want one pass per test
<ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Test_Suite_1.1F2
CL: Erik can you think of specific tests we need to add to the report?
ED: There are some
... path-data-20-f.svg
CL: It's not on the wiki
page
... need to add it to both of them
ED: Do we have reviews of the tests that are on the first page?
CL: Yes
... I think they are all reviewed
... and they are all approved as well
ED: Just checking that now
<ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/svgdom-over-01-f.svg
ED: so one of the tests I made
for the spec is unreviewed
... and the funny thing with that one is it conflicts with the
one of the submitted Microsoft tests
CL: In that case Patrick should review it
<ed> struct-svg-01-f.svg
CL: That needs to go into to the test report as well
<ChrisL> svgdom-over-01-f.svg
CL: and the SVG DOM test needs to go to the test report as well
<scribe> ACTION: Patrick to Review the svgdom-over-01-f.svg and struct-svg-01-f.svg tests and resolve any of the conflicts [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/12-svg-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2760 - Review the svgdom-over-01-f.svg and struct-svg-01-f.svg tests and resolve any of the conflicts [on Patrick Dengler - due 2010-04-19].
CL: any passes for the tests we are adding?
ED: Batik pass the first
one
... Webkit and Inkscape fail
... Firefox pass and Opera passes
... the second one
... Opera 10.50 passes that one
... and partials on everyone else
... so who is going to update the implementation report?
CL: I'll do that anyway
... and update the results
DS: Are you testing Webkit Safari?
CL: No a nightly build
DS: Should we test Chrome as well?
CL: We should. In this case we
are just after passes
... the Webkit rep on the CSS WG said not to bother running
Safari
... but just to test it on Webkit
DS: I could test it on Safari and on Chrome
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to Add svgdom-over-01-f.svg and struct-svg-01-f.svg to the implementation report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/12-svg-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2761 - Add svgdom-over-01-f.svg and struct-svg-01-f.svg to the implementation report [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-04-19].
ED: Do we need to do anything
else?
... I think we need to get the Test Suite fulling working
CL: Apart from the test suite I think the spec needs to be up to date
ED: There are a few editing actions
PD: I still don't have my editing credentials
DS: I'll look into that today
<ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Brussels%2C_Belgium_F2F
<ed> http://www.microsoft.com/ebc/brussels.mspx
<ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/1
ED: Would it be helpful to gather
together all the editing actions
... and send out emails
CL: Some of the actions can only
be done after publication
... JWatt there's actions on ZoomEvent and an action on
Text
... to propose some wording
... we are very close
... to completing
... we have 8 open issues
... we either fix them or push them to another spec
<ChrisL> close ISSUE-2017
<trackbot> ISSUE-2017 Find sane values for getSubStringLength and selectSubString closed
ED: Issue 2017 we can close because we were in agreement
<ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2017
<ChrisL> issue-2259?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2259 -- Inconsistent use of <uri> symbol -- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2259
ISSUE-2299?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2299 -- Text on a path layout rules unclear wrt startpoint-on-the-path and text-anchor -- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2299
ED: We can probably push that to
SVG 2.0
... it's not going to be small change if we start trying to
tweak the wording there
<ChrisL> once i had added tests or determined we don't need tests then i can close action-2697 and thus issue-2259
ED: I'll update that to be SVG 2.0 then
ISSUE-2305
ISSUE-2305?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2305 -- Line caps drawing on zero length lines -- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2305
CL: We have a test for that
<ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/painting-stroke-10-t.svg
ED: I remember seeing one more
test with the zero length lines
... Maybe if someone can take an action to write the test
... not sure if it's blocking publication
... there was a test submitted
... by the guy that originally reported the issue
CL: I can do that
... that's fine
ED: There is one point in that
test case is unclear
... when the length matches the end of the line
... so that's the reason why one of the lines at the end of the
test case
... was there in some and not there in others
... or break it up into several tests
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to Write a test for ISSUE-2305 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/12-svg-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2762 - Write a test for ISSUE-2305 [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-04-19].
ISSUE-2309?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2309 -- Investigate impact of changing SVG 1.1 second edition to reference CSS2.1 -- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2309
ED: I think we've said before it
would be a too big of a change to make
... there have been some changes between 2.0 and 2.1
... such as clip and web fonts being dropped
... so if want to really reference 2.1 we really have to
investigate that
CL: We can't really reference 2.1
because it's not going to be finished until the end of the
year
... there are a few things we need to reference 2.0 because
they are not in 2.1
... the specificity of style attribute changed
... we don't want SVG 1.1 SE waiting fro CSS 2.1 to be done
ED: We seem to know what to put in the spec
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to Add wording to the specification to account for the differences between CSS 2.0 and 2.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/12-svg-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2763 - Add wording to the specification to account for the differences between CSS 2.0 and 2.1 [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-04-19].
PD: Should a marker receive an
event?
... A connecting line would get an event
DS: If you click on any part of a shape including a marker the event is on the end element which the marker is applied
PD: Styling
... the spec says it should style against the origination
rather than the instantiation
CL: In general we have the same
styling as CSS
... there is one place we tried to do that differently
... which was in <use> and <symbol>
DS: I think what should have been
done with markers
... is basically what was done with <use>
... and we can't change it now
... we could add a set of properties that deals with
markers
CL: We can already do that with
vector effects
... I think we should leave markers for SVG 1.1 SE as is
... then for 2.0 we should make them more like <use>
<ChrisL> also, for SVG 2.0 I want to drop markers and add a polymarker element
CL: Markers would effectively be deprecated
DS: Could you change it without causing backwards compatibility problems
CL: I'd rather replace it with different functionality
PD: Would it fix styling problem?
DS: Yes
DS: Processing is a high level language that was ported to Java
<patrickd> patrickd: (I have to exit; hard stop)
trackbot, end telcon
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