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<trackbot> Date: 10 February 2010
Meeting open
Raphael: focus on two
things
... * "ready for implementation" markings
... * test cases
PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 03 February 2009 telecon:
http://www.w3.org/2010/02/03-mediafrag-minutes.html
<mhausenblas> +1
<raphael> +1
<erik> +1
+1
<davy> +1
raphael: accepted
RE: ACTION-127: Thierry/Yves to look for the charter extension
thierry: WG was extended for a year, until end Jan 2011
RESOLUTION: accept the minutes of the 03 February 2009 telecon
thierry: management wants public
to react on document
... wants to get Last Call asap
<Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to ask re HTTPbis dependecies
close ACTION-127
<trackbot> ACTION-127 Look for the charter extension closed
mhausenblas: HTTPbis dependencies should be addressed at f2f
<raphael> Michael: is there any dependencies with HTTPBis ... also in last call
thierry: extension will be announced today or tomorrow
RE: ACTION-92: Erik and Raphael to coordinate the writing of papers
Erik: hopefully finishes his part by weekend and hopes to send edits next week
Draft Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FithF2FAgenda
raphael: add topics to wiki,
everything you'd like us to discuss
... also things we should conclude on
... venue and zakim booking are done
RE: ACTION-134: Erik to mark up the spec with normative and informative classes
raphael: thinks it's too early
for such markup
... should be last thing we do
... still subject to lots of discussions
... could start marking up on the parts that are major
silvia:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Feb/0007.html
... has a list of things that could be marked up already
... not possible for everything of course
raphael: would rather want to get implementations
mhausenblas: agree, statements
are too early
... could change still
raphael: support the path that silvia mentions
<mhausenblas> Michael: we should flag stable vs. unstable sections rather than normative vs. informative
raphael: just marking some sections as "ready for implementation"
<raphael> Section: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#npt-time
<raphael> is stable providing the correction of the npt bug
<mhausenblas> Michael: this is IMO, what implementers are primarily interested in
<raphael> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#processing-protocol-UA-mapped
raphael: correct npt scheme
... no action yet
... should include diagrams that Erik sent
<mhausenblas> ACTION-126?
<trackbot> ACTION-126 -- Yves Lafon to follow up on error in ABFN for npt -- due 2009-12-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/126
silvia: Yves said he would do the changes by next week
raphael: make sure Yves completes by next week
erik: first job on diagrams
... only includes main headers, not all headers
michael: should include all headers
silvia: haven't looked at the diagrams indepth
michael: a decision for who marks it up to include what is most important
erik: will look at it again
silvia: we could also rely on implementers to give us feedback
raphael: suggest to give action to somebody to integrate diagrams into document
<scribe> ACTION: silvia to include Erik's diagrams into specification [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/10-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-138 - Include Erik's diagrams into specification [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2010-02-17].
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: silvia to also include source files
erik: diagrams got generated automatically
<mhausenblas> http://www.websequencediagrams.com/
erik: from
websequencediagrams
... diagrams are public
... put links into wiki
... silvia will add links to originals into comment and add
files into cvs
raphael: need somebody to mark sections as implementable
<raphael> ACTION-134?
<trackbot> ACTION-134 -- Erik Mannens to mark up the spec with normative and informative classes -- due 2010-02-10 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/134
<raphael> ACTION-133?
<trackbot> ACTION-133 -- Erik Mannens to will try to generate some time diagram for the protocol description in the section 5.2.1.x -- due 2010-02-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/133
close ACTION-133
<trackbot> ACTION-133 Will try to generate some time diagram for the protocol description in the section 5.2.1.x closed
scribe: if everyone agrees on the list of chapters that silvia said are implementable, they should be marked up as such
<no objections>
<mhausenblas> +1
<davy> +1
<raphael> Is there strong disagreement for marking up these parts in the document ?
<raphael> ... as stable
<raphael> good, no objections
<scribe> ACTION: silvia to mark up specified sections as implementable [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/10-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-139 - Mark up specified sections as implementable [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2010-02-17].
<raphael> ACTION-135?
<trackbot> ACTION-135 -- Erik Mannens to extend section 5 regarding spatial and track dimension -- due 2010-02-10 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/135
<raphael> ACTION-136?
<trackbot> ACTION-136 -- Davy Van Deursen to create a diagram of video timeline to explain temporal dimension -- due 2010-02-10 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/136
RE: ACTION-135: Davy, Erik to extend section 5 regarding spatial and track dimension
<scribe> ongoing
close ACTION-136
<trackbot> ACTION-136 Create a diagram of video timeline to explain temporal dimension closed
later
michael hasn't had the time to spend on test cases
raphael: need another volunteer to keep this going
michael: I will not be able to
drive this
... need a volunteer to take over
erik: we can do it but not before april
<raphael> Silvia: I'm not sure we need a responsible person, no stress on someone in particular
<raphael> ... it could be a collective effort
<raphael> Michael: I think you're right, but getting a person setting up the policy for external reviews is important
<raphael> ... for that, it is good to have a face
silvia: could be part of the natural sequence of (1) defining use case, (2) defining solution, (3) defining error and test cases
raphael: during f2f we could collectively discuss test cases that are well enough defined
<mhausenblas> Michael: the 'collective approach' actually made me propose/implement http://ld2sd.deri.org/corrib/
raphael: we should do all of the
above :)
... define test cases during f2f
... have a person responsible from April to follow up
michael: main motivation is to
get the implementation report in just one click
... this is what corrib has been set up for
<tmichel> A Method for Writing Testable Conformance Requirements
michael: should be decided at f2f
<tmichel> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/NOTE-test-methodology-20100128/
erik: I like the one-click approach to report
<tmichel> document presents a method for writing, marking-up, and analyzing conformance requirements in technical specifications.
silvia: agree to having somebody responsible to look after corrib for checking implementation conformance
micheal: implementation report is part of our charter
+1
erik: exit criteria we will write in CR document
raphael: should we look at test cases now?
michael: can show what I've done
so far
... classification of test cases
... move into wiki
<mhausenblas> ACTION-115?
<trackbot> ACTION-115 -- Michael Hausenblas to come up with categorization of test cases wrt empty, undefined, etc -- due 2009-09-30 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/115
michael: uploaded an rdf document that defined all the cases
<mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/mftc
silvia: is that out of corrib?
erik: can we get a more readable version?
<mhausenblas> ACTION: mhausenb to create a more readable version of the TC classification at http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/mftc [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/10-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-140 - Create a more readable version of the TC classification at http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/mftc [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2010-02-17].
silvia: for me it's not about readability, but about how to edit
michael: you have access to the
file - it's in cvs
... will create a readable html page out of it
silvia: question whether we should address the test case for time dimension
michael: what differences did you have
silvia: only one major difference to before
michael: would need to work
through the list
... prefer to delay to next week
erik: any other topic?
<no reactions>
erik: thanks everyone
em wonders if I sometimes mixed up erik and davy...
s/em/me/ ;)
<mhausenblas> [adjourned]