SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 13 March 2012

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Andy Seaborne, Birte Glimm, Carlos Buil Aranda, Chimezie Ogbuji, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Gregory Williams, Matthew Perry, Paul Gearon, Sandro Hawke, Steve Harris
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  1. to approve minutes from last time http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-03-06 link
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13:55:50 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:55:50 <trackbot> Date: 13 March 2012
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13:56:28 <ericP> Zakim, aaaa is me

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13:59:26 <AndyS> zakim, ??P5 is I

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14:00:16 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

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14:01:16 <Zakim> +??P10

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14:01:20 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P10 is me

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14:02:22 <Zakim> +pgearon

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14:02:58 <chimezie> Zakim,  +1.216.368.aaee is me

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14:02:58 <Zakim> +chimezie; got it

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14:03:28 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?

Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone?

14:03:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see ericP, Sandro, AndyS, +1.206.708.aabb, bglimm (muted), SteveH, +1.310.729.aadd, chimezie, pgearon

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14:03:41 <Zakim> +MattPerry

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14:03:53 <chimezie> I can scribe i was up

Chimezie Ogbuji: I can scribe i was up

14:04:06 <ericP> scribenick: chimezie

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14:04:06 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

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14:05:03 <AndyS> Minutes -- http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-03-06

Andy Seaborne: Minutes -- http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-03-06

14:05:18 <AndyS> topic: admin

1. admin

14:05:51 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

14:05:54 <AndyS> PROPOSE to approve minutes from last time http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-03-06

Andy Seaborne: PROPOSE to approve minutes from last time http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-03-06

14:05:55 <bglimm> Zakim, who's talking?

Birte Glimm: Zakim, who's talking?

14:05:57 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

14:06:00 <AndyS> APPROVED

Andy Seaborne: APPROVED

14:05:54 <AndyS> RESOLVED: to approve minutes from last time http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-03-06

RESOLVED: to approve minutes from last time http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-03-06

14:06:05 <Zakim> bglimm, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ericP (70%), AndyS (84%)

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ericP (70%), AndyS (84%)

14:06:31 <AndyS> Next meeting - 20 March - timezone shift - in effect

Andy Seaborne: Next meeting - 20 March - timezone shift - in effect

14:07:05 <AndyS> Agenda - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JanMar/0242.html

Andy Seaborne: Agenda - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JanMar/0242.html

14:07:39 <chimezie> AndyS: this will be a process-centric meeting

Andy Seaborne: this will be a process-centric meeting

14:07:44 <chimezie> ... other items for agenda?

... other items for agenda?

14:08:07 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me

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14:08:12 <AndyS> topic: TSV/CSV results

2. TSV/CSV results

14:08:25 <ericP> chimezie: will try to get a review in before tomorrow

Chimezie Ogbuji: will try to get a review in before tomorrow [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

14:08:54 <ericP> ... will let you know if it's possible by the end of today

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... will let you know if it's possible by the end of today

14:08:59 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

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14:09:24 <chimezie> AndyS: Eric chairs while AndyS discusses next agenda item

Andy Seaborne: Eric chairs while AndyS discusses next agenda item

14:10:08 <chimezie> AndyS: property paths.  Have added descriptive sections (done).  Structural markers in formal definition have pending work.  Email from Axel and Birte.  Progressing

Andy Seaborne: property paths. Have added descriptive sections (done). Structural markers in formal definition have pending work. Email from Axel and Birte. Progressing

14:10:29 <chimezie> Eric: not taking conservative path

Eric Prud'hommeaux: not taking conservative path

14:10:57 <chimezie> AndyS: outlined proposal is to have both DISTINCT path matching operator with new operators to distinguish between counting and non-counting form of arbitrary-length paths

Andy Seaborne: outlined proposal is to have both DISTINCT path matching operator with new operators to distinguish between counting and non-counting form of arbitrary-length paths

14:11:26 <ericP> AndyS: everybody gets everything, modulo syntax foo

Andy Seaborne: everybody gets everything, modulo syntax foo [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

14:11:33 <chimezie> ... need to get back to Axel's comments regarding blank nodes

... need to get back to Axel's comments regarding blank nodes

14:11:49 <chimezie> EricP: estimate on how much more difficult it is for implementations?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: estimate on how much more difficult it is for implementations?

14:11:59 <chimezie> AndyS: another 1/2 implementation of property paths (shared alot).

Andy Seaborne: another 1/2 implementation of property paths (shared alot).

14:12:17 <chimezie> ... is more work

... is more work

14:12:32 <ericP> q?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q?

14:13:14 <chimezie> Sandro: next steps?

Sandro Hawke: next steps?

14:13:22 <chimezie> AndyS: I keep working writing the specification

Andy Seaborne: I keep working writing the specification

14:13:45 <AndyS> Axel email - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JanMar/0242.html

Andy Seaborne: Axel email - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JanMar/0242.html

14:13:47 <bglimm> q+

Birte Glimm: q+

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14:14:13 <ericP> ack next

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ack next

14:14:27 <chimezie> Sandro: require another LC?

Sandro Hawke: require another LC?

14:14:29 <chimezie> AndyS: yes

Andy Seaborne: yes

14:15:14 <chimezie> AndyS: no formal decision to do it yet.  If we address comments, it has to be another LC.  No strong desire to do nothing

Andy Seaborne: no formal decision to do it yet. If we address comments, it has to be another LC. No strong desire to do nothing

14:15:46 <chimezie> ... willing to do heavy lifting

... willing to do heavy lifting

14:16:37 <chimezie> bglimm: Do we really want to do this counting / non-counting operator distinction *and* to do DISTINCT

Birte Glimm: Do we really want to do this counting / non-counting operator distinction *and* to do DISTINCT

14:16:58 <chimezie> ... in 2 section on operators and DISTINCT it is not clear if these are alternatives to each other or complementary

... in 2 section on operators and DISTINCT it is not clear if these are alternatives to each other or complementary

14:17:32 <chimezie> AndyS: * and + counting/non-counting versions (agreement on this)

Andy Seaborne: * and + counting/non-counting versions (agreement on this)

14:18:01 <chimezie> ... if we go with DISTINCT, we wouldn't need these operators.  Useful to distinguish between applicable algorithms to use and syntax clarification

... if we go with DISTINCT, we wouldn't need these operators. Useful to distinguish between applicable algorithms to use and syntax clarification

14:18:10 <chimezie> bglimm: going for both?

Birte Glimm: going for both?

14:18:14 <chimezie> AndyS: yes, so far

Andy Seaborne: yes, so far

14:18:21 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

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14:18:41 <AndyS> q?

Andy Seaborne: q?

14:19:15 <chimezie> ericp: adds syntactic shorthand (doesn't change expressivity)?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: adds syntactic shorthand (doesn't change expressivity)?

14:19:23 <chimezie> AndyS: will change number of answers [..distortion..]

Andy Seaborne: will change number of answers [..distortion..]

14:20:24 <bglimm> yes

Birte Glimm: yes

14:20:48 <ericP> topic: Group schedule

3. Group schedule

14:21:09 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

14:21:13 <ericP> topic: Actions + Comments

4. Actions + Comments

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14:21:35 <cbuilara_> zakim, ??5697565aaff is me

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14:22:12 <chimezie> AndyS: outstanding comments: PP - 3-4 comments

Andy Seaborne: outstanding comments: PP - 3-4 comments

14:23:15 <chimezie> ericp: have people to delegate comment answering to?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: have people to delegate comment answering to?

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14:23:47 <cbuilara_> zakim, ??P27 is me

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14:23:47 <Zakim> +cbuilara_; got it

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14:23:48 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me

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14:23:54 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?

Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone?

14:23:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see ericP, Sandro, AndyS, +1.206.708.aabb, bglimm (muted), SteveH, +1.310.729.aadd, chimezie, pgearon, MattPerry, cbuilara_

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ericP, Sandro, AndyS, +1.206.708.aabb, bglimm (muted), SteveH, +1.310.729.aadd, chimezie, pgearon, MattPerry, cbuilara_

14:24:12 <ericP> chimezie: one or two outstanding graph store comments from James Lee

Chimezie Ogbuji: one or two outstanding graph store comments from James Lee [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

14:25:04 <AndyS> Paul - PA-3 ??

Andy Seaborne: Paul - PA-3 ??

14:25:53 <ericP> q?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q?

14:26:21 <chimezie> greg: I'd like to talk about the Dave R. comment at some point

Gregory Williams: I'd like to talk about the Dave R. comment at some point

14:26:25 <ericP> zakim, aadd is Greg

Eric Prud'hommeaux: zakim, aadd is Greg

14:26:25 <Zakim> +Greg; got it

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14:26:42 <AndyS> Comment - DRD-1 : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Feb/0026.html

Andy Seaborne: Comment - DRD-1 : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Feb/0026.html

14:26:50 <chimezie> Greg: a concern about syntax of PP interfering with future expansion of prefix name syntax

Gregory Williams: a concern about syntax of PP interfering with future expansion of prefix name syntax

14:27:02 <ericP> ACTION: Sandro to response to James Lee's commment(s) on Graph Store Protocol, due in two weeks

ACTION: Sandro to response to James Lee's commment(s) on Graph Store Protocol, due in two weeks

14:27:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-603 - Response to James Lee's commment(s) on Graph Store Protocol, due in two weeks [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-03-20].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-603 - Response to James Lee's commment(s) on Graph Store Protocol, due in two weeks [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-03-20].

14:27:09 <chimezie> ... I'm worried this opens pandoras box, but if we are in additional LC, we should at least discuss it

... I'm worried this opens pandoras box, but if we are in additional LC, we should at least discuss it

14:27:55 <chimezie> ... characters in prefix name has been growing.  PP syntax limits this. '/' can never be added to a prefix name, for example

... characters in prefix name has been growing. PP syntax limits this. '/' can never be added to a prefix name, for example

14:28:15 <chimezie> ericp: is he aware backslash can be used for escaping?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: is he aware backslash can be used for escaping?

14:28:28 <AndyS> Yes - in SPARQL - yes he's aware.

Andy Seaborne: Yes - in SPARQL - yes he's aware.

14:29:05 <ericP> q+ to describe the tension of SPARQL-Turtle compatibility vs. brevity

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to describe the tension of SPARQL-Turtle compatibility vs. brevity

14:29:07 <chimezie> greg: brought up point regarding CURIEs.  worried about adding syntax like that to SPRQL

Gregory Williams: brought up point regarding CURIEs. worried about adding syntax like that to SPARQL

14:29:11 <chimezie> s/SPRQL/SPARQL
14:29:13 <ericP> ack aadd

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ack aadd

14:29:47 <chimezie> ericp: concern is complexity of implementation or of user experience?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: concern is complexity of implementation or of user experience?

14:29:58 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

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14:30:15 <chimezie> greg: late in the game to play around w/ syntax (counting syntax notwithstanding)

Gregory Williams: late in the game to play around w/ syntax (counting syntax notwithstanding)

14:30:31 <chimezie> ... shouldn't be huge implementation burden, however we should decide

... shouldn't be huge implementation burden, however we should decide

14:30:38 <ericP> ack me

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ack me

14:30:38 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to describe the tension of SPARQL-Turtle compatibility vs. brevity

Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to describe the tension of SPARQL-Turtle compatibility vs. brevity

14:31:09 <chimezie> ericp: xml namespace usecase was irritating

Eric Prud'hommeaux: xml namespace usecase was irritating

14:31:46 <chimezie> ... there was desire to add more characters in SPARQL / Turtle.  In the latter, there was tension around ?squatting on character?

... there was desire to add more characters in SPARQL / Turtle. In the former, there was tension around ?squatting on character?

14:32:24 <chimezie> ... solution: to use escape mechanism in local names but not property paths.  In Turtle, authors bear burden of escaping being on assertion language

... solution: to use escape mechanism in local names but not property paths. In Turtle, authors bear burden of escaping being on assertion language

14:32:27 <chimezie> s/latter/former
14:32:40 <chimezie> ericp:  IMO: this is good enough as it is now and meeting many usecases

Eric Prud'hommeaux: IMO: this is good enough as it is now and meeting many usecases

14:33:26 <chimezie> AndyS: I agree with Eric.  Also, colon character is used in GSP.  Desire for prefix name to have colon in local name, but incompatible in turtle

Andy Seaborne: I agree with Eric. Also, colon character is used in GSP. Desire for prefix name to have colon in local name, but incompatible in turtle

14:33:30 <AndyS>  a:b:c:d is valid Turtle --  a:b   :c  :d .

Andy Seaborne: a:b:c:d is valid Turtle -- a:b :c :d .

14:33:49 <ericP> nice!

Eric Prud'hommeaux: nice!

14:34:40 <chimezie> AndyS: a matter or preference.  CURIEs overload square brackets.  Not sure it works out well.

Andy Seaborne: a matter or preference. CURIEs overload square brackets. Not sure it works out well.

14:35:05 <chimezie> ... not sure if 2 ways for syntax is acceptable (need to right out rules twice)

... not sure if 2 ways for syntax is acceptable (need to right out rules twice)

14:36:15 <chimezie> ericp: no one tried to spec out a grammar.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: no one tried to spec out a grammar.

14:37:23 <chimezie> ericp: content to not require backslash escaping of colon

Eric Prud'hommeaux: content to not require backslash escaping of colon

14:37:31 <chimezie> ... IRC example will require whitespace

... IRC example will require whitespace

14:39:56 <chimezie> ericP: refer to them as 'meta characters'

Eric Prud'hommeaux: refer to them as 'meta characters'

14:40:09 <chimezie> ... SPARQL local names (and Turtle) have not meta chars (one choice)

... SPARQL local names (and Turtle) have not meta chars (one choice)

14:40:18 <chimezie> ... or escape in SPARQL but not in Turtle (or in both)

... or escape in SPARQL but not in Turtle (or in both)

14:40:42 <chimezie> ... im inclined to do both

... im inclined to do both

14:42:07 <chimezie> AndyS: take to email?

Andy Seaborne: take to email?

14:42:21 <chimezie> greg: brought up with RDF WG, we agreed to send to them

Gregory Williams: brought up with RDF WG, we agreed to send to them

14:42:23 <chimezie> AndyS: yes

Andy Seaborne: yes

14:42:44 <chimezie> ... no response

... no response

14:44:05 <AndyS> RDF-WG email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Feb/0103.html

Andy Seaborne: RDF-WG email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Feb/0103.html

14:46:09 <pgearon> +q

Paul Gearon: +q

14:46:38 <ericP> ack next

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ack next

14:46:47 <ericP> ack aadd

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ack aadd

14:46:51 <ericP> ack next

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ack next

14:47:05 <chimezie> Paul: Peter Ansil question: DELETE / INSERT clauses

Paul Gearon: Peter Ansell question: DELETE / INSERT clauses

14:47:17 <chimezie> ... allow them to appear in either order

... allow them to appear in either order

14:47:28 <AndyS> Peter Ansell

Andy Seaborne: Peter Ansell

14:47:34 <chimezie> ... if not, clean up examples, but he has a point.  Any reason we can't have them interchangeable?

... if not, clean up examples, but he has a point. Any reason we can't have them interchangeable?

14:47:42 <chimezie> s/Ansil/Ansell
14:47:52 <chimezie> AndyS: DELETE is executed before INSERT and it makes a difference

Andy Seaborne: DELETE is executed before INSERT and it makes a difference

14:48:13 <pgearon> q-

Paul Gearon: q-

14:48:41 <chimezie> bye

bye

14:48:44 <Zakim> -chimezie

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14:48:44 <bglimm> bye

Birte Glimm: bye

14:48:47 <Zakim> - +1.206.708.aabb

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14:48:47 <cbuilara_> bye

Carlos Buil Aranda: bye

14:48:47 <AndyS> ADJOURNED

Andy Seaborne: ADJOURNED

14:48:50 <Zakim> -Sandro

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14:48:52 <Zakim> -SteveH

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14:48:54 <Zakim> -bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm

14:48:56 <Zakim> -pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon

14:49:05 <Zakim> -MattPerry

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14:49:07 <Zakim> -cbuilara_

Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara_

14:49:07 <Zakim> -Greg

Zakim IRC Bot: -Greg

14:52:10 <Zakim> -AndyS

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14:52:12 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP

14:52:14 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

14:52:14 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.617.324.aaaa, ericP, Sandro, AndyS, +1.206.708.aabb, +1.310.729.aacc, bglimm, SteveH, +1.310.729.aadd, pgearon, chimezie, MattPerry, +5697565aaff, cbuilara_, Greg

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.617.324.aaaa, ericP, Sandro, AndyS, +1.206.708.aabb, +1.310.729.aacc, bglimm, SteveH, +1.310.729.aadd, pgearon, chimezie, MattPerry, +5697565aaff, cbuilara_, Greg



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