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14:48:05 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
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14:48:05 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
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14:48:06 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:48:06 <trackbot> Date: 01 February 2011
14:48:08 <LeeF> zakim, this will be sparql
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14:48:08 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
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14:56:24 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-02-01
14:56:47 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
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14:56:47 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AxelPolleres
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14:56:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see AxelPolleres, ocorby, Zakim, RRSAgent, karl, kasei, SteveH, AndyS, LeeF, iv_an_ru, pgearon, sandro, trackbot, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see AxelPolleres, ocorby, Zakim, RRSAgent, karl, kasei, SteveH, AndyS, LeeF, iv_an_ru, pgearon, sandro, trackbot, ericP ←
14:56:59 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, start meeting
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14:57:01 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:57:03 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
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14:57:03 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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14:57:04 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:57:04 <trackbot> Date: 01 February 2011
14:57:18 <AxelPolleres> chair: Axel Polleres
14:57:20 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started
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14:57:27 <Zakim> +??P14
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14:57:30 <AxelPolleres> regrets: Chime, AlexPassant
14:57:31 <AndyS> zakim, P14 is me
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14:57:31 <Zakim> sorry, AndyS, I do not recognize a party named 'P14'
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14:57:38 <AndyS> zakim, ??P14 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P14 is me ←
14:57:38 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
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14:57:42 <Zakim> +pgearon
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14:58:03 <Zakim> +??P16
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14:58:09 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P16 is me
Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, ??P16 is me ←
14:58:09 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cbuilara; got it ←
14:58:13 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres
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14:58:26 <Zakim> + +420.8.439.aaaa
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14:58:32 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:58:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, pgearon, cbuilara, AxelPolleres, +420.8.439.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, pgearon, cbuilara, AxelPolleres, +420.8.439.aaaa ←
14:58:41 <SteveH__> Zakim, aaaa is [Garlik]
Steve Harris: Zakim, aaaa is [Garlik] ←
14:58:41 <Zakim> +[Garlik]; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +[Garlik]; got it ←
14:58:43 <Zakim> +ocorby
Zakim IRC Bot: +ocorby ←
14:58:49 <SteveH__> Zakim, [Garlik] is temporarily me
Steve Harris: Zakim, [Garlik] is temporarily me ←
14:58:49 <Zakim> +SteveH__; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH__; got it ←
14:59:49 <Zakim> +Lee_Feigenbaum
Zakim IRC Bot: +Lee_Feigenbaum ←
14:59:51 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is speaking?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is speaking? ←
14:59:53 <SteveH> Zakim, SteveH__ is me
Steve Harris: Zakim, SteveH__ is me ←
14:59:53 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH; got it ←
15:00:05 <Zakim> AxelPolleres, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Lee_Feigenbaum (21%), AxelPolleres (21%), ocorby (4%)
Zakim IRC Bot: AxelPolleres, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Lee_Feigenbaum (21%), AxelPolleres (21%), ocorby (4%) ←
15:00:12 <Zakim> +kasei
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15:00:37 <Zakim> + +1.973.4.aabb
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15:00:49 <kasei> scribenick: kasei
(Scribe set to Gregory Williams)
15:01:17 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:01:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, pgearon, cbuilara, AxelPolleres, SteveH, ocorby, Lee_Feigenbaum, kasei, +1.973.4.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, pgearon, cbuilara, AxelPolleres, SteveH, ocorby, Lee_Feigenbaum, kasei, +1.973.4.aabb ←
15:01:45 <AndyS> zakim, who is speaking?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is speaking? ←
15:01:55 <Zakim> AndyS, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Lee_Feigenbaum (22%), cbuilara (44%), AxelPolleres (9%)
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Lee_Feigenbaum (22%), cbuilara (44%), AxelPolleres (9%) ←
15:02:10 <cbuilara> zakim, mute me
Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, mute me ←
15:02:10 <Zakim> cbuilara should now be muted
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15:02:22 <Zakim> +bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm ←
15:02:35 <Zakim> +sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro ←
15:02:41 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
15:02:42 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
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15:02:53 <Zakim> +MattPerry
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15:02:56 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:02:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, pgearon, cbuilara (muted), AxelPolleres, SteveH, ocorby, Lee_Feigenbaum, kasei, +1.973.4.aabb, bglimm (muted), sandro, MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, pgearon, cbuilara (muted), AxelPolleres, SteveH, ocorby, Lee_Feigenbaum, kasei, +1.973.4.aabb, bglimm (muted), sandro, MattPerry ←
15:03:43 <Zakim> - +1.973.4.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.973.4.aabb ←
15:04:06 <kasei> topic: admin
15:04:21 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-01-25
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-01-25 ←
15:04:47 <AndyS> 404
Andy Seaborne: 404 ←
15:04:49 <Zakim> + +49.911.973.4.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +49.911.973.4.aacc ←
15:05:00 <NicoM> zakim, +49 is me
Nico Michaelis: zakim, +49 is me ←
15:05:00 <Zakim> +NicoM; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +NicoM; got it ←
15:05:18 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: check minutes from last time
ACTION: check minutes from last time ←
15:05:18 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - check
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15:05:30 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to check minutes from last time
ACTION: axel to check minutes from last time ←
15:05:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-380 - Check minutes from last time [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-02-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-380 - Check minutes from last time [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-02-08]. ←
15:06:17 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:JP-3
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:JP-3 ←
15:06:22 <kasei> AxelPolleres: haven't addressed comments table yet. if you've got feedback, let us know.
Axel Polleres: haven't addressed comments table yet. if you've got feedback, let us know. ←
15:06:40 <kasei> ... please look over JP-3 so we can approve it.
... please look over JP-3 so we can approve it. ←
15:06:49 <kasei> ... any other comment responses drafted?
... any other comment responses drafted? ←
15:07:15 <MattPerry> sure
Matthew Perry: sure ←
15:07:23 <AxelPolleres> matt to scribe next week
Axel Polleres: matt to scribe next week ←
15:07:35 <kasei> topic: to last call
15:07:42 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call ←
15:07:44 <kasei> AxelPolleres: wiki page for last call
Axel Polleres: wiki page for last call ←
15:08:12 <kasei> ... query document status? Andy or Steve?
... query document status? Andy or Steve? ←
15:08:42 <kasei> SteveH: there's an outstanding issue about algebra. need to discuss with Andy. Other than that it's OK to go.
Steve Harris: there's an outstanding issue about algebra. need to discuss with Andy. Other than that it's OK to go. ←
15:08:54 <kasei> AxelPolleres: should it be listed on the last call page?
Axel Polleres: should it be listed on the last call page? ←
15:09:03 <kasei> SteveH: don't know the specifics. hard to list it.
Steve Harris: don't know the specifics. hard to list it. ←
15:09:26 <kasei> AxelPolleres: keep us up to date on that page and let us know when it's ready for review.
Axel Polleres: keep us up to date on that page and let us know when it's ready for review. ←
15:09:52 <kasei> SteveH: hope to get it done this week, but hard to predict.
Steve Harris: hope to get it done this week, but hard to predict. ←
15:10:24 <kasei> AndyS: same position as SteveH. need to do some checking, discuss recent issues that came up this week.
Andy Seaborne: same position as SteveH. need to do some checking, discuss recent issues that came up this week. ←
15:10:32 <kasei> AxelPolleres: Update document.
Axel Polleres: Update document. ←
15:10:47 <kasei> ... issues from Alex.
... issues from Alex. ←
15:11:15 <kasei> ... for formal model we'll have a meeting and discuss this week. hope to have something there next week.
... for formal model we'll have a meeting and discuss this week. hope to have something there next week. ←
15:11:59 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call ←
15:12:41 <kasei> pgearon: have addressed some of the items on the wiki page.
Paul Gearon: have addressed some of the items on the wiki page. ←
15:12:54 <kasei> ... bnodes in delete templates. delete and graph triples containing bnodes.
... bnodes in delete templates. delete and graph triples containing bnodes. ←
15:13:04 <kasei> ... done work on the document, but haven't checked it in yet.
... done work on the document, but haven't checked it in yet. ←
15:13:21 <kasei> ... don't know the details of these issues yet.
... don't know the details of these issues yet. ←
15:13:40 <kasei> AxelPolleres: talked briefly with Alex. he said he'd take care of his comments.
Axel Polleres: talked briefly with Alex. he said he'd take care of his comments. ←
15:13:51 <kasei> ... hope to have updates next week.
... hope to have updates next week. ←
15:13:59 <kasei> AxelPolleres: protocol document.
Axel Polleres: protocol document. ←
15:14:00 <LeeF> No
Lee Feigenbaum: No ←
15:14:09 <kasei> LeeF: no news.
Lee Feigenbaum: no news. ←
15:14:20 <kasei> AxelPolleres: service description.
Axel Polleres: service description. ←
15:15:56 <kasei> kasei: new comment from Rob Vesse regarding both http protocol and service description.
Gregory Williams: new comment from Rob Vesse regarding both http protocol and service description. ←
15:16:44 <kasei> ... need to address the comment, but don't think it will result in substantive changes to SD document.
... need to address the comment, but don't think it will result in substantive changes to SD document. ←
15:16:46 <AxelPolleres> ... comment by RV should be added to comments table, touches on both SD and HTTP update, more Chime to Greg?
Axel Polleres: ... comment by RV should be added to comments table, touches on both SD and HTTP update, more Chime to Greg? ←
15:17:20 <kasei> AxelPolleres: http protocol
Axel Polleres: http protocol ←
15:17:40 <kasei> ... a few comments that need to be taken into account. can assign actions to reviewers.
... a few comments that need to be taken into account. can assign actions to reviewers. ←
15:18:04 <AndyS> Fine - if Chime is OK with that.
Andy Seaborne: Fine - if Chime is OK with that. ←
15:18:14 <kasei> ... Andy, Steve, and Nick to review.
... Andy, Steve, and Nick to review. ←
15:18:16 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: SteveH to review Uniform HTTP Protocol
ACTION: SteveH to review Uniform HTTP Protocol ←
15:18:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-381 - Review Uniform HTTP Protocol [on Steve Harris - due 2011-02-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-381 - Review Uniform HTTP Protocol [on Steve Harris - due 2011-02-08]. ←
15:18:44 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel contact NickH to review Uniform HTTP Protocol
ACTION: axel contact NickH to review Uniform HTTP Protocol ←
15:18:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-382 - Contact NickH to review Uniform HTTP Protocol [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-02-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-382 - Contact NickH to review Uniform HTTP Protocol [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-02-08]. ←
15:19:02 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Andy to review Uniform HTTP Protocol
ACTION: Andy to review Uniform HTTP Protocol ←
15:19:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-383 - Review Uniform HTTP Protocol [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-02-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-383 - Review Uniform HTTP Protocol [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-02-08]. ←
15:19:05 <LeeF> :-)
Lee Feigenbaum: :-) ←
15:19:22 <kasei> AxelPolleres: entailment document.
Axel Polleres: entailment document. ←
15:19:28 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:19:28 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted ←
15:19:32 <kasei> ... two actions on Kendal and Zhe Wu.
... two actions on Kendal and Zhe Wu. ←
15:19:38 <kasei> bglimm: haven't heard back on reviews yet.
Birte Glimm: haven't heard back on reviews yet. ←
15:19:54 <kasei> MattPerry: can pring Zhe about review.
Matthew Perry: can pring Zhe about review. ←
15:19:59 <kasei> bglimm: can ping Kendall.
Birte Glimm: can ping Kendall. ←
15:20:04 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
15:20:04 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
15:20:07 <cbuilara> zakim, unmute me
Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, unmute me ←
15:20:07 <Zakim> cbuilara should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: cbuilara should no longer be muted ←
15:20:07 <kasei> AxelPolleres: Federated Query
Axel Polleres: Federated Query ←
15:20:09 <LeeF> Ready to go
Lee Feigenbaum: Ready to go ←
15:20:20 <kasei> cbuilara: ready for review.
Carlos Buil Aranda: ready for review. ←
15:20:22 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:20:30 <kasei> AxelPolleres: Lee and Axel to be assigned for review.
Axel Polleres: Lee and Axel to be assigned for review. ←
15:20:37 <kasei> AndyS: can we discuss where BINDINGS go?
Andy Seaborne: can we discuss where BINDINGS go? ←
15:20:49 <LeeF> My understanding is that it needs to be removed from federated query and just reference query
Lee Feigenbaum: My understanding is that it needs to be removed from federated query and just reference query ←
15:20:57 <AndyS> q-
Andy Seaborne: q- ←
15:21:30 <cbuilara> I will add a remark to the Fed query document saying that it will be removed
Carlos Buil Aranda: I will add a remark to the Fed query document saying that it will be removed ←
15:21:31 <Zakim> -NicoM
Zakim IRC Bot: -NicoM ←
15:21:41 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking? ←
15:21:43 <cbuilara> and left only in the main query document
Carlos Buil Aranda: and left only in the main query document ←
15:21:51 <kasei> AxelPolleres: is there duplicate text in the two documents?
Axel Polleres: is there duplicate text in the two documents? ←
15:21:51 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres (80%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres (80%) ←
15:22:02 <Zakim> +NicoM
Zakim IRC Bot: +NicoM ←
15:22:21 <kasei> cbuilara: duplicated text. idea was to remove it in the federation document.
Carlos Buil Aranda: duplicated text. idea was to remove it in the federation document. ←
15:22:35 <kasei> AxelPolleres: should be ready for review by end of today?
Axel Polleres: should be ready for review by end of today? ←
15:22:37 <kasei> cbuilara: yes
Carlos Buil Aranda: yes ←
15:22:42 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to review fed query
ACTION: Axel to review fed query ←
15:22:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-384 - Review fed query [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-02-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-384 - Review fed query [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-02-08]. ←
15:22:48 <LeeF> aye
Lee Feigenbaum: aye ←
15:22:53 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Lee to review fed query
ACTION: Lee to review fed query ←
15:22:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-385 - Review fed query [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-02-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-385 - Review fed query [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-02-08]. ←
15:23:05 <kasei> AxelPolleres: JSON Results
Axel Polleres: JSON Results ←
15:23:11 <kasei> ... got reviews in already
... got reviews in already ←
15:23:23 <AndyS> No progress on comments
Andy Seaborne: No progress on comments ←
15:23:35 <kasei> AndyS: no progress on comments yet. been focusing on query document.
Andy Seaborne: no progress on comments yet. been focusing on query document. ←
15:23:59 <kasei> topic: BIND revisted (bind08 test)
15:24:22 <kasei> LeeF: there was discussion on mailing list about bind08
Lee Feigenbaum: there was discussion on mailing list about bind08 ←
15:24:35 <kasei> ... some confusion because of laxness in discussion of BGPs and Groups.
... some confusion because of laxness in discussion of BGPs and Groups. ←
15:24:57 <kasei> ... think it is mostly resolved now. BINDs ends a BGP, doesn't end a Group.
... think it is mostly resolved now. BINDs ends a BGP, doesn't end a Group. ←
15:25:21 <kasei> ... this means that bind08 test in which filter comes before bind has the same results as bind05 test where filter comes after the bind.
... this means that bind08 test in which filter comes before bind has the same results as bind05 test where filter comes after the bind. ←
15:25:38 <kasei> ... updated the results in cvs today.
... updated the results in cvs today. ←
15:25:47 <kasei> ... believe all the bind tests are good now and can be approved.
... believe all the bind tests are good now and can be approved. ←
15:26:01 <kasei> AxelPolleres: any more comments?
Axel Polleres: any more comments? ←
15:26:07 <AndyS> I agree with LeeF
Andy Seaborne: I agree with LeeF ←
15:26:44 <kasei> LeeF: can we approve the tests?
Lee Feigenbaum: can we approve the tests? ←
15:26:54 <kasei> AxelPolleres: will discuss in test status topic.
Axel Polleres: will discuss in test status topic. ←
15:27:09 <AxelPolleres> topic: short name and title of JSON doc
15:27:16 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JanMar/0140.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JanMar/0140.html ←
15:27:20 <kasei> AxelPolleres: concrete proposal from Andy.
Axel Polleres: concrete proposal from Andy. ←
15:27:57 <kasei> ... keep same name; name it with same convention as others (starting with "sparql11")
... keep same name; name it with same convention as others (starting with "sparql11") ←
15:28:05 <AxelPolleres> "SPARQL 1.1 Query Results JSON Format" /sparql11-results-json/
Axel Polleres: "SPARQL 1.1 Query Results JSON Format" /sparql11-results-json/ ←
15:28:31 <kasei> ... no other proposals. agreenment on option 2.
... no other proposals. agreenment on option 2. ←
15:28:37 <kasei> ... anybody against this?
... anybody against this? ←
15:28:38 <LeeF> option 2 ++++
Lee Feigenbaum: option 2 ++++ ←
15:29:14 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: set title of JSON results document to "SPARQL 1.1 Query Results JSON Format" with short name /sparql11-results-json/
PROPOSED: set title of JSON results document to "SPARQL 1.1 Query Results JSON Format" with short name /sparql11-results-json/ ←
15:29:15 <pgearon> seconded
Paul Gearon: seconded ←
15:29:30 <LeeF> :-)
Lee Feigenbaum: :-) ←
15:29:39 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
15:29:46 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: set title of JSON results document to "SPARQL 1.1 Query Results JSON Format" with short name /sparql11-results-json/
RESOLVED: set title of JSON results document to "SPARQL 1.1 Query Results JSON Format" with short name /sparql11-results-json/ ←
15:30:01 <kasei> AxelPolleres: what do we need to do to approve the short name?
Axel Polleres: what do we need to do to approve the short name? ←
15:30:13 <kasei> sandro: this is FPWD?
Sandro Hawke: this is FPWD? ←
15:30:18 <kasei> AxelPolleres: it's been out as a Note before.
Axel Polleres: it's been out as a Note before. ←
15:30:36 <kasei> sandro: we should go through the FPWD approval. that's when the short name is approved.
Sandro Hawke: we should go through the FPWD approval. that's when the short name is approved. ←
15:30:47 <kasei> LeeF: FPWD has to be distinct from LC draft?
Lee Feigenbaum: FPWD has to be distinct from LC draft? ←
15:30:52 <kasei> sandro: no, they can be the same.
Sandro Hawke: no, they can be the same. ←
15:31:07 <kasei> ... not sure it's technically a FPWD, but err on the safe side.
... not sure it's technically a FPWD, but err on the safe side. ←
15:31:36 <kasei> protocol?
protocol? ←
15:32:09 <kasei> sandro: will send email.
Sandro Hawke: will send email. ←
15:32:28 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: sandro email to W3C to get shortname approved for JSON result doc
ACTION: sandro email to W3C to get shortname approved for JSON result doc ←
15:32:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-386 - Email to W3C to get shortname approved for JSON result doc [on Sandro Hawke - due 2011-02-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-386 - Email to W3C to get shortname approved for JSON result doc [on Sandro Hawke - due 2011-02-08]. ←
15:32:46 <kasei> topic: test status
15:33:12 <kasei> AxelPolleres: wanted to go through test case directories and see where we are.
Axel Polleres: wanted to go through test case directories and see where we are. ←
15:33:32 <kasei> LeeF: as actions are completed, we'll discuss and move to approval.
Lee Feigenbaum: as actions are completed, we'll discuss and move to approval. ←
15:33:41 <AndyS> q+ about manifest-all (at end of tests item)
Andy Seaborne: q+ about manifest-all (at end of tests item) ←
15:33:50 <AndyS> q+ to talk about manifest-all (at end of tests item)
Andy Seaborne: q+ to talk about manifest-all (at end of tests item) ←
15:34:13 <kasei> AxelPolleres: ACTIONS 368...
Axel Polleres: ACTIONS 368... ←
15:34:44 <AxelPolleres> ACTION-367
15:35:00 <kasei> ... 367: json results format. added 4 test cases for json results format.
... 367: json results format. added 4 test cases for json results format. ←
15:35:04 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/json-res/
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/json-res/ ←
15:35:20 <kasei> ... ask people to review those. will discuss next time.
... ask people to review those. will discuss next time. ←
15:35:36 <kasei> ... 368: syntax tests on Andy. done.
... 368: syntax tests on Andy. done. ←
15:35:49 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JanMar/0117.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JanMar/0117.html ←
15:36:20 <kasei> ... not sure if these test cases can be approved.
... not sure if these test cases can be approved. ←
15:36:29 <kasei> LeeF: need at least one other set of eyes or implementation.
Lee Feigenbaum: need at least one other set of eyes or implementation. ←
15:36:56 <kasei> AndyS: I hope they are comprehensive.
Andy Seaborne: I hope they are comprehensive. ←
15:37:08 <kasei> LeeF: does this include negative syntax tests?
Lee Feigenbaum: does this include negative syntax tests? ←
15:37:12 <kasei> AndyS: yes, a few.
Andy Seaborne: yes, a few. ←
15:37:40 <kasei> LeeF: one challenge here is other than Andy and Greg, none of us have implemented enough of 1.1 to use our implementations here.
Lee Feigenbaum: one challenge here is other than Andy and Greg, none of us have implemented enough of 1.1 to use our implementations here. ←
15:37:56 <kasei> SteveH: dajobe's parser isn't too bad. long way from 100%, but does a lot.
Steve Harris: dajobe's parser isn't too bad. long way from 100%, but does a lot. ←
15:38:03 <kasei> ... doesn't do property paths or subqueries.
... doesn't do property paths or subqueries. ←
15:38:09 <kasei> ... or (?)
... or (?) ←
15:38:24 <kasei> ... parser we use in 5Store is more complete, but don't implement much of it. can do syntax tests.
... parser we use in 5Store is more complete, but don't implement much of it. can do syntax tests. ←
15:38:46 <kasei> LeeF: even if partial implementation, run it and then eyeball failures to see if it looks ok.
Lee Feigenbaum: even if partial implementation, run it and then eyeball failures to see if it looks ok. ←
15:39:17 <kasei> AxelPolleres: need to rely on Greg and Andy's approval?
Axel Polleres: need to rely on Greg and Andy's approval? ←
15:39:21 <SteveH> I will try to run it for raptor, but don't handle current test syntax
Steve Harris: I will try to run it for raptor, but don't handle current test syntax ←
15:39:27 <kasei> AndyS: what about eric's?
Andy Seaborne: what about eric's? ←
15:39:50 <kasei> sandro: thought he had said something about updating it. did grammar work, but not sure about what else.
Sandro Hawke: thought he had said something about updating it. did grammar work, but not sure about what else. ←
15:40:10 <kasei> sandro: will ping eric about syntax tests.
Sandro Hawke: will ping eric about syntax tests. ←
15:40:19 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JanMar/0117.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JanMar/0117.html ←
15:40:29 <AxelPolleres> ... sandro will ask eric to look at those.
Axel Polleres: ... sandro will ask eric to look at those. ←
15:40:35 <AndyS> Negative tests matter more for SPARQL 1.1 as there are some explicit errors this time round.
Andy Seaborne: Negative tests matter more for SPARQL 1.1 as there are some explicit errors this time round. ←
15:41:06 <kasei> AxelPolleres: 369: property paths on mperry.
Axel Polleres: 369: property paths on mperry. ←
15:41:24 <kasei> AndyS: not sure minutes of propery paths meeting are achievable.
Andy Seaborne: not sure minutes of propery paths meeting are achievable. ←
15:41:31 <sandro> (email to ericP sent)
Sandro Hawke: (email to ericP sent) ←
15:41:37 <kasei> AxelPolleres: does this imply issues on last call documents?
Axel Polleres: does this imply issues on last call documents? ←
15:41:44 <kasei> AndyS: this needs to be addressed before LC.
Andy Seaborne: this needs to be addressed before LC. ←
15:42:28 <kasei> AxelPolleres: 370: function tests on Greg.
Axel Polleres: 370: function tests on Greg. ←
15:43:29 <kasei> kasei: added several function tests, but more room for testing error conditions.
Gregory Williams: added several function tests, but more room for testing error conditions. ←
15:43:36 <kasei> AxelPolleres: 371: bind tests on Lee.
Axel Polleres: 371: bind tests on Lee. ←
15:44:04 <kasei> LeeF: let's approve 8 bind tests.
Lee Feigenbaum: let's approve 8 bind tests. ←
15:44:26 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: approve tests bind01-bind08 in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/bind/
PROPOSED: approve tests bind01-bind08 in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/bind/ ←
15:44:32 <SteveH> abstain (on the basis that I've not run them)
Steve Harris: abstain (on the basis that I've not run them) ←
15:44:39 <LeeF> seconded
Lee Feigenbaum: seconded ←
15:44:51 <kasei> LeeF: haven't run them.
Lee Feigenbaum: haven't run them. ←
15:45:01 <kasei> AndyS: keen for two implementations.
Andy Seaborne: keen for two implementations. ←
15:45:47 <kasei> kasei: I pass 7/8 of the tests.
Gregory Williams: I pass 7/8 of the tests. ←
15:46:20 <kasei> LeeF: if we wait for 2 implementations to pass all tests, we'll never approve the whole test suite.
Lee Feigenbaum: if we wait for 2 implementations to pass all tests, we'll never approve the whole test suite. ←
15:47:01 <AndyS> seconded
Andy Seaborne: seconded ←
15:47:17 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: approve tests bind01-bind08 in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/bind/
RESOLVED: approve tests bind01-bind08 in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/bind/ ←
15:47:47 <kasei> AxelPolleres: LeeF will change manifests to mark as approved.
Axel Polleres: LeeF will change manifests to mark as approved. ←
15:47:48 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: mark bind01-08 as approved in manifest file
ACTION: mark bind01-08 as approved in manifest file ←
15:47:48 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - mark
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - mark ←
15:48:02 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: lee to mark bind01-08 as approved in manifest file
ACTION: lee to mark bind01-08 as approved in manifest file ←
15:48:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-387 - Mark bind01-08 as approved in manifest file [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-02-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-387 - Mark bind01-08 as approved in manifest file [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-02-08]. ←
15:48:28 <kasei> AxelPolleres: 372: negation tests on Chime.
Axel Polleres: 372: negation tests on Chime. ←
15:49:05 <kasei> AxelPolleres: 373: subquery tests on Axel. haven't touched them yet.
Axel Polleres: 373: subquery tests on Axel. haven't touched them yet. ←
15:49:14 <kasei> ... 374: project expression tests on Lee.
... 374: project expression tests on Lee. ←
15:49:17 <kasei> LeeF: nothing to report yet.
Lee Feigenbaum: nothing to report yet. ←
15:49:34 <kasei> AxelPolleres: 375: construct where tests on Axel. worked on these today.
Axel Polleres: 375: construct where tests on Axel. worked on these today. ←
15:49:44 <kasei> ... 6 tests for CONSTRUCT WHERE. small issues which have been fixed.
... 6 tests for CONSTRUCT WHERE. small issues which have been fixed. ←
15:49:54 <kasei> ... Andy agreed with fixes.
... Andy agreed with fixes. ←
15:49:57 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JanMar/0162.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JanMar/0162.html ←
15:50:19 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/construct/
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/construct/ ←
15:50:53 <kasei> AxelPolleres: only tested by copying construct template and running on systems with CONSTRUCT {} WHERE {}, not CONSTRUCT WHERE {}
Axel Polleres: only tested by copying construct template and running on systems with CONSTRUCT {} WHERE {}, not CONSTRUCT WHERE {} ←
15:51:19 <LeeF> ok with me
Lee Feigenbaum: ok with me ←
15:51:59 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve testcases constructwhere01-06 in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/construct/
PROPOSED: Approve testcases constructwhere01-06 in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/construct/ ←
15:52:46 <AndyS> seconded
Andy Seaborne: seconded ←
15:52:51 <AxelPolleres> seconded
Axel Polleres: seconded ←
15:53:04 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve testcases constructwhere01-06 in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/construct/
RESOLVED: Approve testcases constructwhere01-06 in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/construct/ ←
15:53:17 <kasei> AxelPolleres: will mark them as approved.
Axel Polleres: will mark them as approved. ←
15:53:28 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to mark construyctwhere01-06 as approved in manifest file
ACTION: Axel to mark construyctwhere01-06 as approved in manifest file ←
15:53:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-388 - Mark construyctwhere01-06 as approved in manifest file [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-02-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-388 - Mark construyctwhere01-06 as approved in manifest file [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-02-08]. ←
15:54:00 <kasei> AxelPolleres: 376: BINDINGS tests on Carlos
Axel Polleres: 376: BINDINGS tests on Carlos ←
15:54:04 <kasei> cbuilara: not much progress yet.
Carlos Buil Aranda: not much progress yet. ←
15:54:34 <ericP> ericP, acks mail from sandro
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ericP, acks mail from sandro ←
15:54:35 <kasei> AxelPolleres: aggregate tests which we haven't approved yet.
Axel Polleres: aggregate tests which we haven't approved yet. ←
15:55:01 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JanMar/0168.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JanMar/0168.html ←
15:55:43 <kasei> AxelPolleres: aggregate tests from greg. disagreement between Greg and Andy on AVG, SUM that had to do with precision of results, encoding of exponents.
Axel Polleres: aggregate tests from greg. disagreement between Greg and Andy on AVG, SUM that had to do with precision of results, encoding of exponents. ←
15:55:48 <kasei> ... not sure if it's solved.
... not sure if it's solved. ←
15:56:04 <kasei> AndyS: recall the issue.
Andy Seaborne: recall the issue. ←
15:56:15 <kasei> AxelPolleres: please have a look at the email thread and let us know if we can proceed.
Axel Polleres: please have a look at the email thread and let us know if we can proceed. ←
15:56:59 <kasei> AxelPolleres: 7 test cases which we already covered in October proposed to be approved, but no resolution (agg01-agg07)
Axel Polleres: 7 test cases which we already covered in October proposed to be approved, but no resolution (agg01-agg07) ←
15:57:13 <kasei> ... pending action 301 on Steve to look over test cases.
... pending ACTION-301 on Steve to look over test cases. ←
15:57:21 <kasei> ... if they're fine they can be approved.
... if they're fine they can be approved. ←
15:57:44 <kasei> SteveH: hoping to have code to read manifest format. once that's done can run tests through 4store engine.
Steve Harris: hoping to have code to read manifest format. once that's done can run tests through 4store engine. ←
15:57:45 <AndyS> agg08 ("COUNT 8") uses non-key in expressions => required syntax error
Andy Seaborne: agg08 ("COUNT 8") uses non-key in expressions => required syntax error ←
15:58:32 <kasei> AxelPolleres: agg08 had discussion about this being a syntax error. should be changed to a negative syntax test.
Axel Polleres: agg08 had discussion about this being a syntax error. should be changed to a negative syntax test. ←
15:58:55 <kasei> ... could also be fixed. add agg08b.
... could also be fixed. add agg08b. ←
15:59:03 <AndyS> ?? Delete the test - make sure its in the bad syntax suite
Andy Seaborne: ?? Delete the test - make sure its in the bad syntax suite ←
15:59:27 <kasei> AxelPolleres: all negative syntax tests go into the bad syntax suite?
Axel Polleres: all negative syntax tests go into the bad syntax suite? ←
15:59:39 <kasei> AndyS: might be easier to get through the test suite if the negative syntax tests are grouped together.
Andy Seaborne: might be easier to get through the test suite if the negative syntax tests are grouped together. ←
15:59:43 <kasei> ... no strong preference.
... no strong preference. ←
15:59:52 <LeeF> No strong preference either.
Lee Feigenbaum: No strong preference either. ←
16:00:09 <Zakim> -MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry ←
16:00:19 <kasei> AxelPolleres: want 1-2 people to look at email and let us know how to move forward.
Axel Polleres: want 1-2 people to look at email and let us know how to move forward. ←
16:00:46 <Zakim> -Lee_Feigenbaum
Zakim IRC Bot: -Lee_Feigenbaum ←
16:00:48 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
16:00:48 <Zakim> -SteveH
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH ←
16:00:49 <Zakim> -sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro ←
16:00:50 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
16:00:52 <Zakim> -ocorby
Zakim IRC Bot: -ocorby ←
16:00:52 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres ←
16:00:54 <kasei> minutes publishing url? (I forget every time)
minutes publishing url? (I forget every time) ←
16:00:54 <Zakim> -NicoM
Zakim IRC Bot: -NicoM ←
16:00:59 <Zakim> -cbuilara
Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara ←
16:01:01 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
16:01:07 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
16:01:08 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended ←
16:01:08 <AxelPolleres> adjourned
Axel Polleres: adjourned ←
16:01:09 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/ ←
16:01:13 <Zakim> Attendees were AndyS, pgearon, cbuilara, AxelPolleres, +420.8.439.aaaa, ocorby, Lee_Feigenbaum, SteveH, kasei, +1.973.4.aabb, bglimm, sandro, MattPerry, +49.911.973.4.aacc, NicoM
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were AndyS, pgearon, cbuilara, AxelPolleres, +420.8.439.aaaa, ocorby, Lee_Feigenbaum, SteveH, kasei, +1.973.4.aabb, bglimm, sandro, MattPerry, +49.911.973.4.aacc, NicoM ←
16:01:24 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public ←
16:01:52 <kasei> thanks Axel
thanks Axel ←
16:01:52 <AxelPolleres> greg, will you do the minutes? (I'll take care of last week's minutes in the meantime...)
Axel Polleres: greg, will you do the minutes? (I'll take care of last week's minutes in the meantime...) ←
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