14:59:06 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/11/10-sparql-irc
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14:59:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:59:10 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
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14:59:10 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute ←
14:59:11 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:59:11 <trackbot> Date: 10 November 2009
14:59:18 <LeeF> zakim, this is SPARQL
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, this is SPARQL ←
14:59:18 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, LeeF; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM ←
14:59:32 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:59:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see andy
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see andy ←
14:59:36 <Zakim> +bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm ←
14:59:46 <AndyS> zakim, very good.
Andy Seaborne: zakim, very good. ←
14:59:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'very good', AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'very good', AndyS ←
14:59:53 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
14:59:56 <AndyS> zakim, andy is AndyS
Andy Seaborne: zakim, andy is AndyS ←
14:59:56 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:00:03 <Zakim> +EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP ←
15:00:08 <Zakim> +pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon ←
15:00:19 <Zakim> +Lee_Feigenbaum
Zakim IRC Bot: +Lee_Feigenbaum ←
15:00:32 <Zakim> +kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei ←
15:00:38 <LeeF> zakim, Lee_Feigenbaum is me
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, Lee_Feigenbaum is me ←
15:00:38 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF; got it ←
15:00:41 <Ivan Herman> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
15:00:41 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
15:00:43 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
15:00:47 <Zakim> + +1.216.445.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.216.445.aaaa ←
15:00:48 <kasei> Zakim, mute me
Greg Williams: Zakim, mute me ←
15:00:48 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should now be muted ←
15:00:51 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
15:00:53 <john-l> Zakim, aaaa is me
John Clark: Zakim, aaaa is me ←
15:00:53 <Zakim> +john-l; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +john-l; got it ←
15:00:53 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P8 is me
Alex Passant: Zakim, ??P8 is me ←
15:00:55 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it ←
15:01:24 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby ←
15:01:48 <Zakim> + +1.574.905.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.574.905.aabb ←
15:01:56 <Zakim> +dcharbon2
Zakim IRC Bot: +dcharbon2 ←
15:03:13 <Zakim> +??P15
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P15 ←
15:03:20 <LeeF> zakim, who's here?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's here? ←
15:03:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, bglimm, Sandro, EricP, pgearon, LeeF, kasei (muted), Ivan, john-l, AlexPassant, OlivierCorby, +1.574.905.aabb, dcharbon2, ??P15
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, bglimm, Sandro, EricP, pgearon, LeeF, kasei (muted), Ivan, john-l, AlexPassant, OlivierCorby, +1.574.905.aabb, dcharbon2, ??P15 ←
15:03:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see OlivierCorby, dcharbon2, AlexPassant, Zakim, RRSAgent, john-l, tommik, SteveH, bglimm, KjetilK, karl, ivan, LukeWM, AndyS, iv_an_ru, LeeF, pgearon, kasei, sandro,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see OlivierCorby, dcharbon2, AlexPassant, Zakim, RRSAgent, john-l, tommik, SteveH, bglimm, KjetilK, karl, ivan, LukeWM, AndyS, iv_an_ru, LeeF, pgearon, kasei, sandro, ←
15:03:25 <LeeF> zakim, P15 is Orri
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, P15 is Orri ←
15:03:26 <Zakim> ... kjetil, ericP, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... kjetil, ericP, trackbot ←
15:03:27 <Zakim> sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named 'P15'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named 'P15' ←
15:03:28 <LeeF> zakim, ??P15 is Orri
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, ??P15 is Orri ←
15:03:28 <Zakim> +Orri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Orri; got it ←
15:03:36 <LeeF> zakim, who's here?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's here? ←
15:03:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, bglimm, Sandro, EricP, pgearon, LeeF, kasei (muted), Ivan, john-l, AlexPassant, OlivierCorby, +1.574.905.aabb, dcharbon2, Orri
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, bglimm, Sandro, EricP, pgearon, LeeF, kasei (muted), Ivan, john-l, AlexPassant, OlivierCorby, +1.574.905.aabb, dcharbon2, Orri ←
15:03:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see OlivierCorby, dcharbon2, AlexPassant, Zakim, RRSAgent, john-l, tommik, SteveH, bglimm, KjetilK, karl, ivan, LukeWM, AndyS, iv_an_ru, LeeF, pgearon, kasei, sandro,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see OlivierCorby, dcharbon2, AlexPassant, Zakim, RRSAgent, john-l, tommik, SteveH, bglimm, KjetilK, karl, ivan, LukeWM, AndyS, iv_an_ru, LeeF, pgearon, kasei, sandro, ←
15:03:45 <Zakim> ... kjetil, ericP, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... kjetil, ericP, trackbot ←
15:03:56 <Zakim> - +1.574.905.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.574.905.aabb ←
15:04:03 <Zakim> +??P16
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P16 ←
15:04:22 <LukeWM> zakim, ??P16 is Garlik
Luke Wilson-Mawer: zakim, ??P16 is Garlik ←
15:04:22 <Zakim> +Garlik; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Garlik; got it ←
15:04:29 <LeeF> zakim, Garlik has LukeWM, SteveH
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, Garlik has LukeWM, SteveH ←
15:04:29 <Zakim> +LukeWM, SteveH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +LukeWM, SteveH; got it ←
15:04:36 <LeeF> zakim, who's here?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's here? ←
15:04:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, bglimm, Sandro, EricP, pgearon, LeeF, kasei (muted), Ivan, john-l, AlexPassant, OlivierCorby, dcharbon2, Orri, Garlik
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, bglimm, Sandro, EricP, pgearon, LeeF, kasei (muted), Ivan, john-l, AlexPassant, OlivierCorby, dcharbon2, Orri, Garlik ←
15:04:38 <Zakim> Garlik has LukeWM, SteveH
Zakim IRC Bot: Garlik has LukeWM, SteveH ←
15:04:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see OlivierCorby, dcharbon2, AlexPassant, Zakim, RRSAgent, john-l, tommik, SteveH, bglimm, KjetilK, karl, ivan, LukeWM, AndyS, iv_an_ru, LeeF, pgearon, kasei, sandro,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see OlivierCorby, dcharbon2, AlexPassant, Zakim, RRSAgent, john-l, tommik, SteveH, bglimm, KjetilK, karl, ivan, LukeWM, AndyS, iv_an_ru, LeeF, pgearon, kasei, sandro, ←
15:04:42 <Zakim> ... kjetil, ericP, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... kjetil, ericP, trackbot ←
15:04:47 <LukeWM> zakim, Garlik has SteveH,LukeWM
Luke Wilson-Mawer: zakim, Garlik has SteveH,LukeWM ←
15:04:47 <Zakim> SteveH was already listed in Garlik, LukeWM
Zakim IRC Bot: SteveH was already listed in Garlik, LukeWM ←
15:04:48 <Zakim> LukeWM was already listed in Garlik, LukeWM
Zakim IRC Bot: LukeWM was already listed in Garlik, LukeWM ←
15:05:21 <LeeF> tommik, are you able to join us on the teleconference?
Lee Feigenbaum: tommik, are you able to join us on the teleconference? ←
15:05:38 <Tommi (tommik)> LeeF, trying my phoneline went dead
Tommi (tommik): LeeF, trying my phoneline went dead ←
15:06:00 <bglimm> I guess I should scribe...
Birte Glimm: I guess I should scribe... ←
15:06:34 <LeeF> Scribenick: bglimm
(Scribe set to Birte Glimm)
15:06:36 <Zakim> + +035840564aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +035840564aacc ←
15:06:38 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
15:07:22 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-10-20 (if we manage to get them up)
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-10-20 (if we manage to get them up) ←
15:07:57 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-10-20 (if we manage to get them up)
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-10-20 (if we manage to get them up) ←
15:08:30 <bglimm> LeeF: Minutes from 27th have to be cleaned up first.
Lee Feigenbaum: Minutes from 27th have to be cleaned up first. ←
15:08:41 <bglimm> LeeF: Lets talk about a third F2F
Lee Feigenbaum: Lets talk about a third F2F ←
15:09:08 <bglimm> ... over the next month we will flesh out the docs and create test cases
... over the next month we will flesh out the docs and create test cases ←
15:09:48 <LeeF> zakim, aacc is Tommi (tommik)
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, aacc is Tommi (tommik) ←
15:09:48 <Zakim> +Tommi (tommik); got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Tommi (tommik); got it ←
15:10:13 <LeeF> Tommi is representing Profium
Lee Feigenbaum: Tommi is representing Profium ←
15:10:27 <LeeF> ack Tommi (tommik)
Lee Feigenbaum: ack Tommi (tommik) ←
15:10:30 <LeeF> ack aacc
Lee Feigenbaum: ack aacc ←
15:10:37 <LeeF> ack +035840564aacc
Lee Feigenbaum: ack +035840564aacc ←
15:10:39 <bglimm> Tommi (tommik): I am representing Profium. I am software engineer for a meta data server, which is a SPARQL engine.
Tommi (tommik): I am representing Profium. I am software engineer for a meta data server, which is a SPARQL engine. ←
15:11:19 <bglimm> LeeF: We want to get to Last Call in April.
Lee Feigenbaum: We want to get to Last Call in April. ←
15:11:45 <bglimm> ... a F2F around March would be good
... a F2F around March would be good ←
15:12:09 <bglimm> ... first F2F with 2 sites worked quite well.
... first F2F with 2 sites worked quite well. ←
15:12:37 <bglimm> Ivan Herman: There will be an AC meeting in MIT in March
Ivan Herman: There will be an AC meeting in MIT in March ←
15:13:03 <bglimm> LeeF: Axel suggested DERI to host a UK site.
Lee Feigenbaum: Axel suggested DERI to host a UK site. ←
15:13:21 <bglimm> Ivan Herman: The AC meeting starts on 21st of March
Ivan Herman: The AC meeting starts on 21st of March ←
15:13:48 <AndyS> I'm muted
Andy Seaborne: I'm muted ←
15:13:54 <AndyS> ... now
Andy Seaborne: ... now ←
15:14:05 <LeeF> potentially the week of March 16
Lee Feigenbaum: potentially the week of March 16 ←
15:14:09 <Zakim> +Prateek
Zakim IRC Bot: +Prateek ←
15:14:13 <bglimm> LeeF: How about March 15
Lee Feigenbaum: How about March 15 ←
15:14:21 <Ivan Herman> s/16/15/
Ivan Herman: s/16/15/ ←
15:14:41 <bglimm> I can ask here, whether Oxford can host a site too, but DERI would be ok for me.
I can ask here, whether Oxford can host a site too, but DERI would be ok for me. ←
15:15:10 <bglimm> LeeF: One location could be Cambride (US) and another one DERI (Ireland)
Lee Feigenbaum: One location could be Cambride (US) and another one DERI (Ireland) ←
15:15:15 <SteveH> bglimm, oxford, please! :)
Steve Harris: bglimm, oxford, please! :) ←
15:15:40 <LukeWM> not sure if I could go to galway, would definitely prefer oxford.
Luke Wilson-Mawer: not sure if I could go to galway, would definitely prefer oxford. ←
15:16:10 <AndyS> Oxford is my pref. Or London. Or AMS.
Andy Seaborne: Oxford is my pref. Or London. Or AMS. ←
15:16:28 <bglimm> LeeF: I will set up a wiki where people can indicate which time and place is ok
Lee Feigenbaum: I will set up a wiki where people can indicate which time and place is ok ←
15:16:46 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to reset scribe list
ACTION: Lee to reset scribe list ←
15:16:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-138 - Reset scribe list [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-11-17].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-138 - Reset scribe list [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-11-17]. ←
15:16:53 <LeeF> topic: liaisons
15:17:48 <bglimm> LeeF: Eric gave a talk at the HDLS interest group and they wanted SPARQL 1.1 rather sooner than later, ideally now
Lee Feigenbaum: Eric gave a talk at the HDLS interest group and they wanted SPARQL 1.1 rather sooner than later, ideally now ←
15:17:57 <LeeF> topic: F2F Report
15:18:17 <bglimm> LeeF: Minutes have been processed
Lee Feigenbaum: Minutes have been processed ←
15:18:17 <LeeF> minutes are at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-11-02 and http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-11-03
Lee Feigenbaum: minutes are at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-11-02 and http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-11-03 ←
15:18:28 <bglimm> ... but need cleaning-up
... but need cleaning-up ←
15:18:44 <bglimm> ... will ask scribes to help with cleaning-up
... will ask scribes to help with cleaning-up ←
15:19:09 <Zakim> -AlexPassant
Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant ←
15:19:15 <bglimm> ... next week or the week after they should be ready and give people how where not there a good idea of decisions being made
... next week or the week after they should be ready and give people how where not there a good idea of decisions being made ←
15:19:38 <bglimm> ... main topics at the F2F where query issues on day 1 and update issues on day2
... main topics at the F2F where query issues on day 1 and update issues on day2 ←
15:20:11 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/F2F2_Issue_Discussions
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/F2F2_Issue_Discussions ←
15:20:18 <bglimm> ... we wanted to discuss as many open issues as possible, we did not want to make group resolutions because only 4 or 5 people were attending in person
... we wanted to discuss as many open issues as possible, we did not want to make group resolutions because only 4 or 5 people were attending in person ←
15:21:32 <bglimm> ... I suggest people go through the discussions and suggested solutions and approve the suggested solutions or suggest changes
... I suggest people go through the discussions and suggested solutions and approve the suggested solutions or suggest changes ←
15:22:06 <bglimm> ... I'll quickly go through the issues
... I'll quickly go through the issues ←
15:22:19 <Zakim> +??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←
15:22:21 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P6 is me
Alex Passant: Zakim, ??P6 is me ←
15:22:21 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it ←
15:23:05 <bglimm> ... Issues 11: Implicit grouping, pending due to issue 41
... Issues 11: Implicit grouping, pending due to ISSUE-41 ←
15:23:27 <bglimm> ... otherwise consensus
... otherwise consensus ←
15:24:19 <bglimm> ... Issue 12: HAVING vs. FILTER as keyword for limiting aggregate results
... ISSUE-12: HAVING vs. FILTER as keyword for limiting aggregate results ←
15:24:51 <bglimm> ... general preference for FILTER keyword
... general preference for FILTER keyword ←
15:26:01 <bglimm> Issue unnumbered: DISTINCT in aggregate functions
Issue unnumbered: DISTINCT in aggregate functions ←
15:26:20 <bglimm> s/Issue/... Issue/
s/Issue/... Issue/ ←
15:27:01 <bglimm> ... has a general consensus on allowing DISTINCT with multiple arguments to aggregate functions
... has a general consensus on allowing DISTINCT with multiple arguments to aggregate functions ←
15:27:15 <bglimm> ... issue unnumbered Star (asterisk) in aggregate functions
... issue unnumbered Star (asterisk) in aggregate functions ←
15:27:28 <bglimm> ... consensus on star makes only sense in count
... consensus on star makes only sense in count ←
15:27:37 <bglimm> ... ISSUE-15: Syntax for custom aggregates
... ISSUE-15: Syntax for custom aggregates ←
15:28:13 <bglimm> ... mild preference for having a keyword to introduce custom aggregates
... mild preference for having a keyword to introduce custom aggregates ←
15:28:42 <bglimm> s/having/not having/
s/having/not having/ ←
15:29:05 <bglimm> ... this will be giving as advice to editors
... this will be giving as advice to editors ←
15:29:16 <bglimm> ... ISSUE-16: Mixed datatypes with built-in aggregates
... ISSUE-16: Mixed datatypes with built-in aggregates ←
15:30:18 <bglimm> ... consensus on behavior of MIN/MAX and SUM/AVG
... consensus on behavior of MIN/MAX and SUM/AVG ←
15:31:23 <bglimm> ... consensus on the use of COALESCE to trap errors from values that had to be discarded
... consensus on the use of COALESCE to trap errors from values that had to be discarded ←
15:31:37 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
Zakim IRC Bot: +Chimezie_Ogbuji ←
15:32:05 <bglimm> ... mild consensus on enforcing aliases for expressions
... mild consensus on enforcing aliases for expressions ←
15:32:22 <SteveH> q+ around AS expressions in projections
Steve Harris: q+ around AS expressions in projections ←
15:32:33 <SteveH> q+ to talk around AS expressions in projections
Steve Harris: q+ to talk around AS expressions in projections ←
15:32:39 <Zakim> -AlexPassant
Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant ←
15:33:02 <bglimm> ... Issue Syntax for expressions in SELECT list has no satisfactory solution
... Issue Syntax for expressions in SELECT list has no satisfactory solution ←
15:33:17 <LeeF> ack SteveH
Lee Feigenbaum: ack SteveH ←
15:33:17 <Zakim> SteveH, you wanted to talk around AS expressions in projections
Zakim IRC Bot: SteveH, you wanted to talk around AS expressions in projections ←
15:34:07 <bglimm> SteveH: I withdraw any support for expressions in projections
Steve Harris: I withdraw any support for expressions in projections ←
15:34:39 <SteveH> bglimm, no, it's commas I withdraw my support for
Steve Harris: bglimm, no, it's commas I withdraw my support for ←
15:35:18 <bglimm> s/expressions in projections/commas in Select expressions
s/expressions in projections/commas in Select expressions ←
15:35:37 <Zakim> +??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←
15:35:38 <bglimm> s/expressions in projections/commas in Select expressions/
s/expressions in projections/commas in Select expressions/ ←
15:35:42 <AlexPassant> Zaki, ?P6 is me
Alex Passant: Zaki, ?P6 is me ←
15:35:50 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ?P6 is me
Alex Passant: Zakim, ?P6 is me ←
15:35:50 <Zakim> sorry, AlexPassant, I do not recognize a party named '?P6'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AlexPassant, I do not recognize a party named '?P6' ←
15:36:07 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P6 is me
Alex Passant: Zakim, ??P6 is me ←
15:36:07 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it ←
15:36:17 <bglimm> LeeF: sub-asks and sub-selects have already been discussed further on the mailing list
Lee Feigenbaum: sub-asks and sub-selects have already been discussed further on the mailing list ←
15:36:51 <bglimm> LeeF: consensus for no sub-selects in filters
Lee Feigenbaum: consensus for no sub-selects in filters ←
15:37:59 <bglimm> ... cannot use aliases (AS keyword) from sub-queries in the outer part of the query
... cannot use aliases (AS keyword) from sub-queries in the outer part of the query ←
15:38:31 <bglimm> ... any clarifications needed for what has been discussed so far?
... any clarifications needed for what has been discussed so far? ←
15:39:01 <bglimm> ... action everybody to take a look at this and raise concerns on the mailing list if there are any
... action everybody to take a look at this and raise concerns on the mailing list if there are any ←
15:39:29 <bglimm> ... next week we will close issues for which no concerns have been expressed
... next week we will close issues for which no concerns have been expressed ←
15:39:57 <LeeF> day 2 minutes - http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-11-03
Lee Feigenbaum: day 2 minutes - http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-11-03 ←
15:40:13 <bglimm> ... I want to go through the day 2 minutes and look at the list of resolutions
... I want to go through the day 2 minutes and look at the list of resolutions ←
15:40:49 <bglimm> ... we might have overlooked some things and Paul (update editor) might have objections
... we might have overlooked some things and Paul (update editor) might have objections ←
15:41:28 <bglimm> ... we were more people, so felt more confident to make resolutions, please express concerns rather sooner than later on the mailing list if there are any
... we were more people, so felt more confident to make resolutions, please express concerns rather sooner than later on the mailing list if there are any ←
15:41:58 <SteveH> 1. Was really more about the /capability/ of MODIFY, rather than the keyword, by my recollection
Steve Harris: 1. Was really more about the /capability/ of MODIFY, rather than the keyword, by my recollection ←
15:42:01 <bglimm> ... First resolution was: To close ISSUE-47 by noting consensus on keeping MODIFY in the Update language, modulo any concerns expressed by Update editors, no objetions or abstentions
... First resolution was: To close ISSUE-47 by noting consensus on keeping MODIFY in the Update language, modulo any concerns expressed by Update editors, no objetions or abstentions ←
15:42:57 <bglimm> ... there was a discussion on the mailing list about omitting the where clause is ok or not
... there was a discussion on the mailing list about omitting the where clause is ok or not ←
15:43:15 <bglimm> ... Second resolution: Close ISSUE-21 noting that there are no proposals for additional operations at this time
... Second resolution: Close ISSUE-21 noting that there are no proposals for additional operations at this time ←
15:43:44 <bglimm> ... Third resolution: Close issue-24, saying example 3e in the current draft is sufficient (subject to approval from update editors, who are absent from this meeting)
... Third resolution: Close ISSUE-24, saying example 3e in the current draft is sufficient (subject to approval from update editors, who are absent from this meeting) ←
15:44:40 <bglimm> ... Fifth: SPARQL Update WHERE clauses will be at least SPARQL 1.0 QUERY, with each feature 1.1 adds to SPARQL Query being AT RISK for this. This closes ISSUE-27
... Fifth: SPARQL Update WHERE clauses will be at least SPARQL 1.0 QUERY, with each feature 1.1 adds to SPARQL Query being AT RISK for this. This closes ISSUE-27 ←
15:45:28 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chime Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
15:45:28 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted ←
15:46:00 <LeeF> trackbot, close ISSUE-46
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ISSUE-46 ←
15:46:01 <trackbot> ISSUE-46 Can INSERTS, DELETES, and other 'subupdates' be nested inside update language queries? closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-46 Can INSERTS, DELETES, and other 'subupdates' be nested inside update language queries? closed ←
15:46:18 <bglimm> ... Sixth: Close issue-46, no action required since there was not and will not be any support for it
... Sixth: Close ISSUE-46, no action required since there was not and will not be any support for it ←
15:47:25 <bglimm> ... LeeF: regarding Issue 27: support for SPARQL 1.1 query WHERE clauses for UPDATE is optional
... LeeF: regarding ISSUE-27: support for SPARQL 1.1 query WHERE clauses for UPDATE is optional ←
15:47:43 <bglimm> ... systems can support it but do not have to
... systems can support it but do not have to ←
15:47:53 <LeeF> topic: next steps for editors
15:48:23 <bglimm> LeeF: Editors have to move the documents forward
Lee Feigenbaum: Editors have to move the documents forward ←
15:48:51 <bglimm> ... we have some reviews from FPWD, these should be incorporated in a timely fashion
... we have some reviews from FPWD, these should be incorporated in a timely fashion ←
15:49:09 <bglimm> ... comments should be answered
... comments should be answered ←
15:49:35 <bglimm> ... editors should request input from the WG for design decisions that are unclear
... editors should request input from the WG for design decisions that are unclear ←
15:49:55 <bglimm> .... editors should identify issues that need telecon time
.... editors should identify issues that need telecon time ←
15:50:17 <bglimm> ... chairs will sort out what is discussed in the telecon
... chairs will sort out what is discussed in the telecon ←
15:50:40 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chime Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:50:40 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted ←
15:50:43 <bglimm> ... is that ok with all editors?
... is that ok with all editors? ←
15:51:05 <Ivan Herman> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:51:18 <bglimm> chimezie: How should we handle comments? Create a wiki page?
Chime Ogbuji: How should we handle comments? Create a wiki page? ←
15:51:39 <LeeF> ack Ivan Herman
Lee Feigenbaum: ack Ivan Herman ←
15:51:40 <bglimm> LeeF: How have other groups done that?
Lee Feigenbaum: How have other groups done that? ←
15:52:04 <bglimm> Ivan Herman: My experience from OWL is that we had a huge amount of comments
Ivan Herman: My experience from OWL is that we had a huge amount of comments ←
15:52:06 <AndyS> Doc process. Makes sense to me and it is fine.
Andy Seaborne: Doc process. Makes sense to me and it is fine. ←
15:52:35 <bglimm> .... people picked up a comment, produced a wiki page and people had a week to comment on the suggested reply from the wiki page
.... people picked up a comment, produced a wiki page and people had a week to comment on the suggested reply from the wiki page ←
15:52:47 <bglimm> ... after a week without comments the reply is send out
... after a week without comments the reply is send out ←
15:53:11 <bglimm> .... for Last Call we should also keep track of all the replies and also replies to the commens
.... for Last Call we should also keep track of all the replies and also replies to the commens ←
15:53:18 <SteveH> +1 to document process
Steve Harris: +1 to document process ←
15:54:03 <bglimm> ... The OWL group maintained a big table with references to comments, the replies and replies to replies and clearly identified were people were happy with the replies and where not
... The OWL group maintained a big table with references to comments, the replies and replies to replies and clearly identified were people were happy with the replies and where not ←
15:54:20 <bglimm> LeeF: Can you provide a reference?
Lee Feigenbaum: Can you provide a reference? ←
15:54:29 <bglimm> Ivan Herman: Give me a few minutes.
Ivan Herman: Give me a few minutes. ←
15:54:53 <Zakim> -AlexPassant
Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant ←
15:54:59 <bglimm> Sandro: Maybe at least the chairs should look over replies.
Sandro Hawke: Maybe at least the chairs should look over replies. ←
15:55:23 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Responses_to_Comments
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Responses_to_Comments ←
15:55:36 <bglimm> LeeF: If you don't hear from anybody, you should explicitly ask me or Axel for feedback.
Lee Feigenbaum: If you don't hear from anybody, you should explicitly ask me or Axel for feedback. ←
15:56:22 <bglimm> LeeF: I would like to see whether we can set a target for next PWD.
Lee Feigenbaum: I would like to see whether we can set a target for next PWD. ←
15:56:43 <bglimm> Ivan Herman: Sandro pasted the link for OWL comments and responses
Ivan Herman: Sandro pasted the link for OWL comments and responses ←
15:56:52 <Zakim> +??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←
15:56:52 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P6 is me
Alex Passant: Zakim, ??P6 is me ←
15:56:53 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it ←
15:57:18 <bglimm> Ivan Herman: That worked very well for the OWL group.
Ivan Herman: That worked very well for the OWL group. ←
15:58:01 <bglimm> LeeF: W3C heartbeat requires to publish every 3 month
Lee Feigenbaum: W3C heartbeat requires to publish every 3 month ←
15:58:15 <bglimm> LeeF: Holidays in December are coming up
Lee Feigenbaum: Holidays in December are coming up ←
15:58:26 <bglimm> ... I would suggest middle of January
... I would suggest middle of January ←
15:59:02 <bglimm> ... more polished, more complete documents with more issues resolved
... more polished, more complete documents with more issues resolved ←
15:59:04 <SteveH> it should be possible, yes
Steve Harris: it should be possible, yes ←
15:59:16 <bglimm> Fine with me
Fine with me ←
15:59:17 <kasei> yeah
Greg Williams: yeah ←
15:59:37 <chimezie> works for me as well
Chime Ogbuji: works for me as well ←
15:59:59 <bglimm> LeeF: Coming to an end, lets discuss what comes up on the mailing list
Lee Feigenbaum: Coming to an end, lets discuss what comes up on the mailing list ←
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