Mobile Web Initiative Test Suites Working Group Teleconference

Widgets testing

ACTION-52: pending review from Wilhelm's manager

<trackbot> ACTION-52 Draft a blog post on SPARTAN notes added

ACTION-2?

<trackbot> ACTION-2 -- Kai Hendry to continue integrating his tests WTF -- due 2009-05-01 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/2

Kai: I'm writing up a guide on how to run the framework on linux
... not sure how people are supposed to contribute to that framework without running it
... it's quite hard to get it running, and thus quite hard to contributes tests to it

Wilhelm: we have set up a server where internally people can just push their tests

Kai: but how would we open that up to a larger audience?

Wilhelm: it could work to open up write access with quick moderation

Kai: quick moderation sounds tricky

ISSUE: how to open up access to WTF

<trackbot> Created ISSUE-5 - How to open up access to WTF ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/issues/5/edit .

ACTION-62?

<trackbot> ACTION-62 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to send feedback on the contribution guide for widgets test suites -- due 2009-07-07 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/62

Kai: I've made some progress on the regular widget tests suites http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/suite/
... still need to match it up with the test plan
... that needs an update since the assertions have changed
... I have spent some time filling up the test plan boxes

<hendry> Marcos: http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/plan.html

Marcos: would like to expand on what Dom has started by adding the notion of classes of products
... and start by populating the tables

Kai: we already have that table

http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/plan.html

Marcos: the assertions are still changing a bit; I would need someone to review them btw

<scribe> ACTION: Dom to update the test plan with the latest assertions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/28-mwts-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-66 - Update the test plan with the latest assertions [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2009-08-04].

<hendry> http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/

Kai: the other confusing thing is Marcos' document with the extracted test assertions
... will it be different? the same document?

<hendry> http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/ versus http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/plan.html

Marcos: I'd like to see a way to match the plan to the assertions
... I could add an id to each line/paragraph

Dom: it would help if each assertion had a more stable id than they do right now
... probably not a big deal for this doc, but would be useful going forward
... also, the notion of adding a class per assertion to classify per class of product would be great

Marcos: what about the review of test assertions?

Dom: I think we'll send feedback as we find problems in the assertions

Marcos: ok, I'll add ids to the assertions then

Kai: sounds really good

ACTION-63?

<trackbot> ACTION-63 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to add testing strategies to widget test contrbutions guide -- due 2009-07-07 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/63

http://dabase.com/blog/Contribute_Widget_tests/

Marcos: a widget test contribution guide would be very useful

Kai: I'd be happy to improve my current doc if that's helpful

Marcos: We'll need a fairly wide review of the test suite if we want it to be reliable and useful, esp. if we're getting external contributions
... providing templates for building test cases would be useful
... maybe that's something we can work on together

<scribe> ACTION: Kai to work with Marcos on developing templates and contributions guide [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/28-mwts-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-67 - Work with Marcos on developing templates and contributions guide [on Kai Hendry - due 2009-08-04].

<hendry> http://git.webvm.net/?p=wgtqa;a=tree;f=misc; # templates used in the widget suite so far

Marcos: we'll see if there are templates we can contribute

Wilhelm: and maybe even test cases

Kai: what about licensing?

<dom:>Note that tests developed during this event will be made under the Policies for Contribution of Test Cases to W3C - in particular, contributors that do not belong to the W3C Web Applications Working Group or the W3C Mobile Web Test Suites Working Group will need to agree with the terms of the Grant of License for Contributed Test Cases Published Outside a W3C Recommendation.

<dom:>http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-testcases

<dom:>http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/testgrants2-200409/

<dom:>[as linked from http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/widget-test/ ]

ACTION-65?

<trackbot> ACTION-65 -- Kai Hendry to take a pass at updating test plan table -- due 2009-07-07 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/65

Kai: I did that

close ACTION-65

<trackbot> ACTION-65 Take a pass at updating test plan table closed

WCTMB2

ACTION-55?

<trackbot> ACTION-55 -- Wilhelm Joys Andersen to look at WCTMB2 ideas -- due 2009-06-02 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/55

<dom_scribe> Wilhelm's announce of possible mockup for WCTMB2

close ACTION-55

<trackbot> ACTION-55 Look at WCTMB2 ideas closed

Wilhelm: would need feedback on the proposal, as well as new technologies, and concrete test code

Kai: would be interesting to get tests from webkit layout code
... I could look into that

<dom_scribe> # WCTMB2 Mockup

Wilhelm: one of the principles in the current mockup is that you can get teh results through the scripting
... would that be applicable here?

Kai: can't tell just now
... have you looked at them?

Wilhelm: I haven't studied them closely

<scribe> ACTION: Kai to submit proposals for WCTMB2 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/28-mwts-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-68 - Submit proposals for WCTMB2 [on Kai Hendry - due 2009-08-04].

<scribe> ACTION: Dom to review WCTMB2 proposal [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/28-mwts-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-69 - Review WCTMB2 proposal [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2009-08-04].

Blog

ACTION-57?

<trackbot> ACTION-57 -- Kai Hendry to propose another blog on widgets testing -- due 2009-06-16 -- CLOSED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/57

Wilhelm: we'll also have my article later on

Dom: what about blogging about the Dusseldorf event?

<scribe> ACTION: Kai to draft blog post about Dusseldorf widget testing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/28-mwts-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-70 - Draft blog post about Dusseldorf widget testing [on Kai Hendry - due 2009-08-04].

OMA

ACTION-21?

<trackbot> ACTION-21 -- Wilhelm Joys Andersen to send Opera's feedback on OMA test suites -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/21

ACTION-14?

<trackbot> ACTION-14 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to look back at OMA situation and report -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/14

<dom_scribe> Dom's review on new OMA XHTML test suites

Next meetings (August meetings)

Wilhelm: I'll be away much of August; maybe available next week

Dom: same here

Kai: works for me

RESOLUTION: meeting next week, but no other meetings in August