SVG Working Group Teleconference -- 03 Jun 2009

<trackbot> Date: 03 June 2009

<ed> scribe: jwatt

<ed> scribeNick: jwatt

ODF Liaison

<ed> ODF response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009AprJun/0183.html

DS: not heard back from them for a few months, so wanted to check that they weren't going off on some other direction, but that doesn't seem to be the case

ED: do we want someone to go to their meetings

DS: would be good for one of us to go to their meetings too
... see what each other's cultures are like
... SVG isn't going to be talked about a lot at theirs, so it would probably only be on occassion

[discussion about who could attend]

DS: I guess I would be the best person

JW: and I might on occassion

<scribe> ACTION: Doug to send email to ODF saying a couple of us would be interested in attending their telcons where they talk about SVG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2591 - Send email to ODF saying a couple of us would be interested in attending their telcons where they talk about SVG [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-06-10].

ED: would be good to have them here for a telcon to get started too

F2F

DS: attending me, jwatt, chris, heycam, ed
... anthony dialing in

[discussion about travel and accommodation, etc.]

SVG integration

<shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/modules/integration/SVGIntegration.html

<shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/modules/integration/SVGIntegration.html#svg-elements

DS: want to draw your attention to these tables
... thought Attributes and Properties could be collated into one table

CM: probably you will have to have multiple rows for attributes and properties with the same name

<heycam> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/attindex.html

ED: we tried having a single table for attributes and properties for the Opera documentation, but it turned out to confuse people due to clashes

<ed> http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/presto211/#graphics

CM: see the 'cx' attribute at the link I just gave
... so the number of rows would depend on how many definitions there are

JW: another problem with a joint table is I seem to remember some attributes and properties with the same name are only animatable on some elements, even though they are usable on more

DS: all the definitions in the table would be linked back to the relevant parts of the spec

CM: an advantage of the table is that you'd be able to list for one element the attributes and properties you're allowed to put on that element

DS: all the modules that we're working on now would have to be listed under the 2.0 column
... how hard would it be to have an automated way to generate this list?

JW: automated solutions can be prone to errors too

DS: maybe we could have a list of things to hand edit in?

CM: I think we could do something, but it might be trickier where we have to merge things from multiple specs

DS: I raised this now because an implementer asked for a diff of the specs
... seems to me this would be the best way of fulfilling that request

ED: rng files for the specs would help with making these tables

DS: robin may be willing to help with the rng files, and is probably the person that knows rng best

CM: chris has an action to make an rng for SVG 1.1
... how it works currently is the list is just in a separate XML file
... but we want to remove that duplication and source of conflicting information
... I'll look into that

DS: I'll contact robin

<scribe> ACTION: Doug to contact Robin about RNG (so CM can work on build scripts) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2592 - Contact Robin about RNG (so CM can work on build scripts) [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-06-10].

JW: if we annotate which attributes are animatable, the build script could flag attributes that are only animatable on a subset of elements to which it would be applicable

ED: one thing that would be good to add to the Integration spec would be how SVG fonts are used outside SVG

<scribe> ACTION: Doug to ask Chris what should go into the Integration spec for SVG for SVG fonts [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2593 - Ask Chris what should go into the Integration spec for SVG for SVG fonts [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-06-10].

ISSUE-2275 - Define processing for @type in script elements

ED: we don't really define how 'type' affects script processing
... maybe we could even fix that for the errata for SVG 1.1 to bring it into alignment with HTML

CM: if bringing into alignment with HTML, we may not want contentScriptType to affect <script> when it has no 'type'

JW: I think it would be okay for it to affect it in that case

CM; so SVG and HTML <script> would have slightly different behaviour

CM: which would be confusing if you had both in the same document

ED: using contentScriptType is fairly uncommon, so it would usually be okay

JW: in practice, Opera and Mozilla don't require 'type' on <script>, and I'd guess Webkit is the same

CM: HTML5 has some pretty complex rules on determining the encoding of external scripts

ED: yes, although that's a different issue, if related

CM: do you want to also handle that Ed?

ED: I don't think we want to do that for the errata, but for Core 2.0, sure

<scribe> ACTION: Ed to raise an issue to determine the encoding of external <script> [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2594 - Raise an issue to determine the encoding of external <script> [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-06-10].

<scribe> ACTION: Ed to define how the 'type' attribute affects <script> processing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2595 - Define how the 'type' attribute affects <script> processing [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-06-10].

ACTION-2525

<ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009AprJun/0190.html

ED: Chris made errata item
... he changed the errata.xml, and is asking us to review his change

<ed> ...looks fine to me

<scribe> ACTION: Chris to fold in the errata item he created for ACTION-2525 into 1.1 2nd edition [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2596 - Fold in the errata item he created for ACTION-2525 into 1.1 2nd edition [on Chris Lilley - due 2009-06-10].

<ed> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/painting.html#colorSyntax

<ed> probably needs an errata for 1.2T too then

<anthony> ACTION: Anthony to Search through 1.2T to see if errata item from ACTION-2525 exists. If it doesn't exist add it to the 1.2T [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2597 - Search through 1.2T to see if errata item from ACTION-2525 exists. If it doesn't exist add it to the 1.2T [on Anthony Grasso - due 2009-06-10].

<heycam> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/types.html#DataTypeColor

<heycam> ACTION-2596: Note that you'll also need to update the grammar just below that modified text to allow "rgb(" case insensitively.

<trackbot> ACTION-2596 Fold in the errata item he created for ACTION-2525 into 1.1 2nd edition notes added

ISSUE-2038 - Description of conditional processing attributes inconsistent

CM: the description of conditional processing attributes in 5.8.1 is different to 5.8.2 in Tiny 1.2

<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to fix ISSUE-2038 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action08]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2598 - Fix ISSUE-2038 [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-06-10].

ISSUE-2046 - Allow negative startOffset for textPath elements

ED: I think it would be fine to just clip away any text that is at a negative offset
... negative values are allowed in ASV, and I think we made that the case for Opera too

JW: seems to make sense to me

ED: should we fix this for 1.1?

JW: I think so

<scribe> ACTION: Ed to fix ISSUE-2046 to allow negative startOffset in 1.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html#action09]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2599 - Fix ISSUE-2046 to allow negative startOffset in 1.1 [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-06-10].

so now that we're done, have any of you guys seen http://www.tapper-ware.net/2009/05/perspective-texture-with-6-lines-of-svg.html ?

RRSAgent: make minutes

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