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These minutes have been approved by the Working Group and are now protected from editing. (See IRC log of approval discussion.)

See also: IRC log

Present
Ian Horrocks, Jeremy Carroll, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Michael Smith, Zhe Wu, Ivan Herman, Evan Wallace, Martin Dzbor, Alan Ruttenberg, Sandro Hawke, Jie Bao, Doug Lenat, Michael Schneider, Diego Calvanese, Christine Golbreich, Peter Patel-Schneider
Regrets
Rinke Hoekstra
Chair
Ian Horrocks
Scribe
Jeremy Carroll

Admin

Accept previous minutes?

Ian Horrocks: I looked, they seem OK
Evan Wallace: Minutes look OK

PROPOSED: Accept previous minutes (Alan)

Alan Ruttenberg: +1
Ian Horrocks: +1
Doug Lenat: +1

http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.03.26/Minutes

Martin Dzbor: +1
Zhe Wu: +1

RESOLVED: accept minutes

General Discussion

Outcome of Washington F2F

Alan Ruttenberg: any questions or thoughts about F2F2?

Michael Schneider: what about raised issues?
Michael Schneider: and all the new issues raised


Alan Ruttenberg: issues raised as a consequence of f2f business will be accepted.


Michael Schneider: issues 112, 114, 115, 116 are *not* consequences of the f2f
Evan Wallace: Is there anything we need to talk about to fix publications?


Ian Horrocks: Sandro, what is the lastest position concerning publication?

Sandro Hawke: Needing go ahead from editors, otherwise OK

Sandro Hawke: Some editors being a bit silent.

Ian Horrocks: Boris is on holiday, so will be silent.

Ian Horrocks: Boris did his edits and left, and will not respond

Zhe Wu: asked question about intro to fragments/profiles

Zhe Wu: the new three bullets ...

Ian Horrocks: if Zhe is unhappy then we should delete this late change and leave editors note


Jeremy Carroll: I think that it is important to have these sentences even if they are said to be "non-consensus" [Scribe assist by Ian Horrocks]
Jeremy Carroll: Poor quality intro better than no content. [Scribe assist by Ian Horrocks]


Jeremy Carroll: could be put into an editors note [Scribe assist by Ian Horrocks]
Ivan Herman: +1 to jeremy_
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: I think there should be a small section in the primer discussing the profiles/fragments [Scribe assist by Evan Wallace]


Bernardo Cuenca Grau: this could be in primer, and perhaps not in this doc


Jeremy Carroll: I will step back if Zhe is stubborn on this!


Alan Ruttenberg: Zhe, can you suggest some repairs to this text?

Zhe Wu: but can the WG agree on any text in time.

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: in the profiles doc there is quite a few things that need to be decided (non technical)

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: The motivations relate to the names, we will need to discuss these issues

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: I think Carsten did a good job with the intro.

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: We could drop last sentence of each bullet point "... is suitable ..."

Michael Smith: +1 to Berndardo's suggestion as a path forward
Jeremy Carroll: 0 to Bernardo
Evan Wallace: +1 on Bernardo's suggestion
Ivan Herman: I think something should be present in both documents, actually

PROPOSED: For now, drop the last sentence from each bullet point in Profile's Intro. All of the form "...is suitable for...".


Ian Horrocks: Zhe are you happy with this proposed change.

Zhe Wu: yes

Zhe Wu: I like the intro, except for the "is suitable" sentences. [Scribe assist by Sandro Hawke]

Ian Horrocks: so we have consensus

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: yes

PROPOSED: For now, drop the last sentence from each bullet point in Profile's Intro. All of the form "...is suitable for...".

Ivan Herman: I think we also agree that the editors note from Bijan should stay

PROPOSED: For now, drop the last sentence from each bullet point in Profile's Intro. All of the form "...is suitable for...". (And keep in editor's note from Bijan)

Michael Smith: +1
Jeremy Carroll: 0
Evan Wallace: +1
Zhe Wu: +1
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: +1
Doug Lenat: +1
Ivan Herman: +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1
Ian Horrocks: +1
Michael Schneider: 0
Martin Dzbor: 0


Diego Calvanese: +1
Sandro Hawke: +0
Peter Patel-Schneider: +0
Jie Bao: +1

RESOLVED: For now, drop the last sentence from each bullet point in Profile's Intro. All of the form "...is suitable for...". (And keep in editor's note from Bijan)


Jeremy Carroll: Sandro will implement this as part of publication


Ivan Herman: question to Zhe, I found some small bugs in the rules

Zhe Wu: I have fixed these

Alan Ruttenberg: where can I find sotd


Zhe Wu: (the typed triple)

Evan Wallace: Have to go. Thanks again to chairs for a productive WG F2F in DC. Bye.

Ian Horrocks: The XML Serialization and Primer have bolier plate abstract

Michael Smith: I believe zhe removed in response to Carsten?

Ian Horrocks: The profiles doc has no boiler plate, but has editor's note

Zhe Wu: I think Carsten asked for it

Sandro Hawke: they all were the same, but someone complained

Peter Patel-Schneider: one can see who by looking at the history
Zhe Wu: Then Jie did the action

Alan Ruttenberg: let's take this off line

Michael Schneider: same bug in xml: its not in the sources


Ian Horrocks: not a huge issue, but a surprise


Zhe Wu: regarding abstract. Carsten added abstract.

Michael Schneider: zhe knows how to fix it - so fix it :)

Zhe Wu: & he thought boiler plate no longer needed

Zhe Wu: and I think Jie did it

Ian Horrocks: but it was agreed at some point that the boiler plate should be in all docs

Michael Smith: email confirming that description http://www.w3.org/mid/b6b357670804081149q7f677748l69bcbc3592287a67@mail.gmail.com

Ian Horrocks: in case a reader came to this doc first ....


Alan Ruttenberg: Sandro, can you fix this?

Zhe Wu: m_schnei, I don't know how to do it
Zhe Wu: sorry

Ian Horrocks: I will sort it now.


Alan Ruttenberg: are we frozen now, modulo changes discussed now.

Sandro Hawke: three sentences have gone

Ian Horrocks: abstract is changing now

Ian Horrocks: Abstract now restored to its former glory :-)

Alan Ruttenberg: Sandro, do you need anything?

Sandro Hawke: no ....

Sandro Hawke: do we want a comment date?

Sandro Hawke: let's go for four weeks

Ivan Herman: which mailing list for comments

Sandro Hawke: public-owl-comments

Alan Ruttenberg: UFDTF for Monday

Alan Ruttenberg: subject will be requirements doc

Alan Ruttenberg: Evan will work on this

Alan Ruttenberg: please send disiderata to requirements doc to list

Alan Ruttenberg: we want to narrowly address what justifies current spec

Alan Ruttenberg: largely a historical process

Alan Ruttenberg: last call before adjournment

Alan Ruttenberg: thanks to everyone

Ian Horrocks: Yes, thanks from me too!

Alan Ruttenberg: adjourn

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