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<AllanJ> title: UAWG teleconference
<scribe> Scribe: JR
All: No prob
JA: Describing Plenary...
... Wednesday will be plenary talks
... Shadi had idea of test suites
JA: Let's start with 3 (http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/wiki/ConfigToNotRender)
PP: Mostly commented on
issues...
... Mostly questions
... Hard to answer questions for 3.1
... Are we talking about all background images.. or just things
in the background
JA: Went back to
archives...people from Opera raised same issue
... Couldn't find response
... Second point on background images and AJAX widgets...points
to this guideline needing an overhaul
... Had always assumed this was meant to cover whole
page...
... Maybe need to put up implementation details...
... Seems like in past we tried to document current practice
plus extend them.
... e.g. Turn off images in IE just turns off IMG
... We should be informed by the implmentation in
browsers
... Why beat dead horse?
... History has passed some of these things by
... We may break AJAX...
... if not careful.
PP: 3.2 Toggle audio, video,
animated images (P1)
... Issue browser doesn't necessarily know what it is
displaying....underlying comment - maybe written as "if the
browser does know"
... e..g animated gifs...but not some other techs
... In this case, turn on or off is fairly straightforward.
<AllanJ> JR: this is all filters what to turn on and off
PP: Also good to think about
extensions...
... There are add blockers...
... Ad blockers...
... Sees things and pulls it out of the DOM...
<AllanJ> PP: does the extension become part of the Chrome and conformance
<AllanJ> JR: if to many filters, then configuration becomes troublesome
JR: How much configurability...
PP: Fairly low - just grabs rules
from Web
... Plus can block individual things
JA: Can determine how far back to go ...doublick.com...doubleclick/autos...etc
<scribe> ACTION: JR to Expand on idea of blocking functional areas: animation, low contrast, etc. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-minutes.html#action01]
PP, JA: Should call out that also applies to chrome
PP: 3.3 Toggle animated or
blinking text (P1)
... Essentially the same as 3.2
JA: But different set of tags
PP: Should combine
... Fall into category of animations the author knows a
bout
<scribe> ACTION: PP to Proposal to combine 3.2 and 3.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-minutes.html#action02]
<scribe> ACTION: JR to Proposal to limit "background image" to body of document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-minutes.html#action03]
PP: 3.4 Toggle scripts (P1)
... wants to point out that browser to decide to pen a 3rd
party apps or not
<AllanJ> JR: question about javascript
JR: Like PP's "Toggle executable content,"
All: Discuss ways of toggling flash
PP: There is a way to toggle SVG
off in Firefox...
... Though not in a proper option
... And extensions can pull these things back up into
chrome
JA: Everything going
executable...
... If turning things off then you can have nothing.
PP: Maybe site by site...prob too much config for base UA
<scribe> ACTION: JA to Get thoughts together about 3.4 "All executable content", managing configuration [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-minutes.html#action04]
JA: Brought up before that pop-up window sometimes has no UA control but if fonts to big can't see it all
<scribe> ACTION: JR to Proposal to have config uration not to have stripped down user agent windoews [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-minutes.html#action05]
JA: Riminds me that all of 3.1, 3.2 etc are fallbacks for WCAG problems.
PP: 3.5 Toggle automatic content
retrieval (P1)
... Originally intended to apply to full page
... Idea had here is that ARAI live regions can be
leveraged...live regions can be not refreshed etc
... Different politeness settings can be used
<scribe> ACTION: PP to Proposal on ways User Agents could use live regions. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-minutes.html#action06]
<AllanJ> JR: perhaps a setting...i need a least a minute to review changes....user has ability to set a time for refresh
JA: Work being done on what should be paid attention to
PP: All recs I've seen say don't move focus
JA: If focus is in live region and it changes, UA should block change to the region
PP: Ties into the guideline on automatic focus change
JA: Just finding no event on
change
... Oh found it...
<scribe> ACTION: JA to Proposal that if a live region has focus, it shouldn't update.] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-minutes.html#action07]
PP: Hmmm...could be just a timer
etc.
... Different than blocking all of the HTTP requests...this
blocks once request returns
... 3.6 Toggle images (P2)
JR: What's accessiblity rationale?
JA: Lists cognitive disabilities
(overly rich visuals)
... We're way over
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