WS-Policy Teleconference -- 13 Jun 2007

yes

just invited rrsagent

setting up the call

<scribe> scribe: toufic

that's why i was muted before :)

<PaulC> ok

don't know the command Paul

let me look it up

ok sorry, thanks prasad

<asir> ScribeNick: toufic

<asir> Meeting: WS-Policy WG Conference Call

<dmoberg> probably dmoberg

<dmoberg> over voip phone from brussels

<scribe> Chair: Paul Cotton

<Fabian> 8% noise? Must be static on the line, my phone is muted here

<PaulC> Frederick (Nokia) is also present.

<mlittle> Did the line just die for everyone, or just me?

i'm here

<Fabian> just nobody speaking :-)

<mlittle> I'll dial back in ;-)

<PaulC> Jun 6 minutes approved.

June 6 minutes approved unanimously

paul: objective is to close CR issues
... june 27 WG will make decision on advancing framework and attachment to PR
... July 2 co-chairs scheduled to talk to directors

Editors team report

asir reporting for editors

<asir> 1. Editorial team plans to deliver the candidate PR drafts next week (June 19th) and to deliver the updated Primer and Guidelines drafts in time (July 10th) for the Dublin F2F:

<asir> a) June 15th – Complete all check-ins that are related to the Framework and Attachment drafts

<asir> b) June 18th – Candidate PR drafts are ready for delivery

<asir> c) June 19th – Deliver candidate PR drafts (Dave O will do the honors

<asir> d) July 5th – Complete all check-ins that are related to the Primer and Guidelines drafts

<asir> e) July 9th – Primer and Guidelines drafts are ready for delivery

<asir> f) July 10th – Deliver updated Primer and Guidelines drafts (just in time for the Dublin F2F

<asir> 2. We delivered the updated scenarios, release 3. This version includes all the scenario related editorial actions assigned at the Ottawa F2F.

Review action items

<PaulC> Open action items:

<PaulC> ACTION-300 Paul Cotton to make sure that the additional suggestions are not lost for the non-normative docs related to issue 4554

<PaulC> ACTION-304 Chris Ferris to look at sections 5.5.1 and 5.5.2 and suggest additional text

<PaulC> ACTION-306 Chris Ferris to review BP 23 and associated text, Section 5.7.

<PaulC> ACTION-312 Toufic to propose a different wording for Good Practice G2 [Bug 4566]

<PaulC> Paul will update the list of actions with the info in the V2 agenda.

paul to update the list of actions with the info in the agenda

oops! :)

WS-Policy Call for Implementations

paul: dashboard summary indicates we have passed our CR criteria

applause

<scribe> ACTION: asir to clean up dashboard summary, esp the cells indicating zero of zero [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-ws-policy-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-314 - Clean up dashboard summary, esp the cells indicating zero of zero [on Asir Vedamuthu - due 2007-06-20].

paul: ones not to be touched are UDDI cells

<prasad> Paul: Leave HP ones for UDDI 0/0 as they supplied the server (only)

Bugzilla list for CR interop

<PaulC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0025.html

paul: IBM has indicated that they can supply results for lax intersection

np prasad

any additional input helps

<scribe> ACTION: maryann to follow up on lax intersection testing comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-ws-policy-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-315 - Follow up on lax intersection testing comments [on Maryann Hondo - due 2007-06-20].

paul: want to make sure WG agrees additional tests do not interfere
... need two companies to indicate that they have successfully used them
... any objections to least resistance path?

should i take AI paul?

Liaison issues

paul and chris continue to work with Bob on wsa issues

CR issues list

<PaulC> http://tinyurl.com/yp9wp6

Item 4598

<PaulC> ACTION-311 Chris to follow with David Hull re issue 4598 is moot.

thanks paul :)

that's perfectly fine

<PaulC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0030.html

<PaulC> David O is present.

unanimous consent to resolve issue 4598

sorry, trying to

<PaulC> RESOLUTION: The WG adopted the two part change in 2007Jun/0030.html to resolve issue 4598.

sorry, back

<PaulC> [Bug 4561] clarification of domain-specific processing, Chris

<PaulC> ACTION: 308 to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0024.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-ws-policy-minutes.html#action03]

oops

asir: two changes - section 4.5 to framework

<monica> i think there was a comment to the list

<maryann_> Mechanisms for determining assertion parameter compatibility are not part of this domain-independent policy intersection algorithm.

maryann: changing "the" to "this"

asir: sounds ok

tom: no default algorithms?

asir: no

<monica> have a comment but having trouble reconnecting to call

monica, if you have a comment, could you please type it in?

<monica> need an example

<monica> yes

RESOLUTION: issue 4561 resolved by adoption of changes proposed in 2007Jun/0024 with minor editorial change by maryann

already done, paul

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0032.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0034.html

ashok: between 0032 and 0034, changes are agreed to

RESOLUTION: issue 4583 resolved by adopting combined proposals of 2007Jun/0032 and 2007Jun/0034

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4374

paul: wondering if this needs to be open, since no editorial actions
... one option is to leave it open until june 27
... and deal with it possibly as a PR item
... other way around is to close now, and make subsequent changes as PR editing, which is not unheard of

daveo: might be better to keep it open because may be an item we have to do something about
... but can live with it being closed

<prasad> We can create a Tickler Editors Action

paul: prefer to close it and keep issues list clean
... chair recommends we mark this fixed

RESOLUTION: issue 4374 closed

<monica> Paul, what is action to keep a tab on this?

<PaulC> CR issues: http://tinyurl.com/22xybz

<asir> <toufic> RESOLUTION: issue 4583 resolved by adopting combined proposals of 2007Jun/0032 and 2007Jun/0034

<asir> <toufic> rrsagent, where am i?

<asir> <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-ws-policy-irc#T16-41-52

<PaulC> reports: Zarro Boogs found.

paul: congrats to WG
... ball in editors court
... expect to see on agenda next week a candidate PR draft for review
... that will give a week to prepare for vote on June 27
... want to check what people think status of primer is

<maryann_> +1 to monica

paul: WG invited to review primer

<maryann_> there might be allignment issues between primer and guidelines

monica: there might be issues we're discussing that might cause changes to primer

ok won't take that in the minutes then

paul: July 10 is release date for editors

<PaulC> [Bug 3988]: Section 8 doesn't illustrate how to design an assertion., Asir

paul: wait for dublin F2F

<PaulC> [Bug 4566]: Guideline G2 to be reconsidered, Toufic

<PaulC> ACTION-312 Toufic to propose a different wording for Good Practice G2 [Bug 4566]

<PaulC> to be done later this week.

<PaulC> [Bug 3978]: Clarify if Section 7 on defining new policy attachment mechanisms is necessary, Dan Roth

<PaulC> AI-313 Maryann to review latest Primer and Guidelines with regards to her four points related to [Bug 3978]

maryann: i can walk through the proposal in the document

<PaulC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0033.html

paul: asks maryann to step us through

maryann: contains several different bug and AIs

maryann steps through 2007Jun/0033

still here

sorry

prasad, sorry i couldn't catch everything you said, could you please type your comments in irc?

monica: made some changes related to nested policy expressions in 5.4.2

daveO: supports the changes
... should be more general - e.g. instead of "using XML", should say "human readable and machine processable"

asir: after snapshot, editorial team made about a dozen changes
... sees collisions
... notice that sub-categories are being created for best practices
... made for xslt
... e.g. in document sent over by maryann

maryann: best practices are just listed as random, not categorized
... questioning whether that was the right decision

<prasad> (1) The Guidelines Doc that was base for Maryann's change was Version dated May 24. The current one is dated 06/01 and has more than 10 AIs from F2F incorporated. We need to map the changes proposed by Maryann to the latest doc. (2) The Bumper Sticker Numbering in the Summary list of best practices needs to come from Felix's automation. (3) AI 303 was specifically for BP 8 but ratifying all BP bumperstcikers is good. Again it does not match the latest Gu

<scribe> scribe: prasad

<monica> please put comments to the list

Maryann: I can go back and map the proposed changes to latest doc

<monica> thanks

Paul: If people can send their questions to Maryann then she can address them specifically

<monica> can we put these to the list please

Paul: How do you want handle Guidelines in terms of schedule?

Maryann: We can handle Primer and Guidelines separately for July Timeframe

Paul: Like to handle this at Dublin F2F

<PaulC> Maryann's strawman is attached to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0033.html

<scribe> ACTION: on Asir [and other WG members] to respond with comments to Maryann on proposal in June msg 33 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-ws-policy-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - on

<scribe> ACTION: Asir [and other WG members] to respond with comments to Maryann on proposal in June msg 33 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-ws-policy-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-316 - [and other WG members] to respond with comments to Maryann on proposal in June msg 33 [on Asir Vedamuthu - due 2007-06-20].

<scribe> ACTION: Maryann open new guidelines issues (for) based on on content in June Msg 33 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-ws-policy-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-317 - Open new guidelines issues (for) based on on content in June Msg 33 [on Maryann Hondo - due 2007-06-20].

<toufic> back

<toufic> prasad, are you taking that AI?

<toufic> ok

<scribe> ACTION: Prasad (editors) work with Maryann to figure which of the issues resulting June msg 33 are doable before July F2F [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-ws-policy-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-318 - (editors) work with Maryann to figure which of the issues resulting June msg 33 are doable before July F2F [on Prasad Yendluri - due 2007-06-20].

<scribe> scribe: toufic

<PaulC> Issue 4375: [Guidelines] need to change qname for the ws-addr metadata elements in examples

<PaulC> Open for future consideration.

thanks

paul: we're at the point where we need to see guidelines document
... most work on framework and attachment is done

daveO and some others have left

<PaulC> In addition Frederick was present.

paul: adjourned

WS-Policy Teleconference

13 Jun 2007

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