IRC log of i18nits on 2007-01-31

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meeting: i18n ITS WG

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chair: Yves

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scribe: Felix

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scribeNick: fsasaki

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0062.html

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rrsagent, make log public

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started

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+Yves_Savourel

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+ +420.4.824.0.aaaa

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+Felix

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zakim, who is here?

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On the phone I see Yves_Savourel, Jirka, Felix

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On IRC I see chriLi, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki, YvesS, Jirka

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+Stefan

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-Stefan

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+Stefan

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+Sebastian_Rahtz

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regrets: Andrzej

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agenda at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0062.html

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action: Felix to provide ruby tests and their implementation (ONGOING)

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s/ONGOING/PENDING/

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action: Felix to start a section on XHTML modularization for the XML i18n BP document (ONGOING)

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s/ONGOING/PENDING/

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action: Jirka to look at the test suite and see if the tests make sense (DONE)

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messages from Jirka at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0052.html

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and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0043.html

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Yves: we went through the errors and have fixed the files used within the spec

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.. I will fix the others

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action: Yves to fix all errors in test files reported by Jirka

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0052.html

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Yves: various typos etc. until the comment on "appendix D (Schemas for ITS)"

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Jirka explains his comment on appendix D

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Felix: worried about not mentioning that NVDL is used only for RELAX NG

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Jirka: it would not be possible using XML Schema

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Yves: should we remove the last sentence?

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all: fine with that

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action: editors to add the paragraph on "appendix D (Schemas for ITS)" to appendix D excluding the last sentence

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yves: appendix E (Schematron schema for ITS) mentioned by Jirka

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all: fine with the change

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action: editors to make the change on appendix E mentioned at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0052.html

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See http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-irc#T15-18-15

15:20:03 [fsasaki]

action: Yves to make sure we have a section in the BP document for precedence of tool specific linking (DONE)

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action: Editors to go to the draft and check that there are no "CSS style elements" or the like. (PENDING)

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action: Editors to implement the the change in the specification regarding precedence order wording. (PENDING)

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action: Editors to remove the <ns> feature from the ITS draft (DONE)

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Yves: you put XMLNS in uppercase?

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Felix: was a mistake in the mail

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Yves: we need to close the bug related to that

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action: Felix to post a proposal for both attribute notations on the span element. (DONE)

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Yves: new text proposal is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0058.html

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action: editors to make text change described in thread ending at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0058.html

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Sebastian: problem is described at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0046.html

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Sebastian: only for its:span the atttributes are not in the ITS namespace

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.. it would be easy to declare all attributes again belonging to its:span

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.. but it is an overhead

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Yves: what should we do? Leave it as it is?

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Sebastian: the crude way is copying of the attribute

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http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/Translate3.xml

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Felix: that test would not validate against the current schema since the ITS attributes at its:span are in the ITS namespace in the schema, but not in the test file

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Sebastian: I could invent a notation for re-using attribute notations with and without namespace

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Felix: might take a lot of time, maybe better just copy the attributes?

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action: Felix to change the ODD definitions by copying the attributes in ITS span without a namespace

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topic: test suite results

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Yves: almost everything works now

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.. we have only one difference now

15:31:45 [YvesS]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0052.html

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0052.html

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http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/

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Yves: there is only one error now. There is two, the second one has to do with a typo change

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.. the only difference is the generation of locInfoRefPointer

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Yves: locTYpe is a default behaviour, it seems

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s/locTYpe/locType

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Sebastian: the selector says "//data"

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Yves: fixing the file itself seems better than changing the language

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action: Felix to make the generation of the test report automatically

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action: Yves to make example http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/EX-locNoteRefPointer-attribute-1.xml fixed

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Felix: http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/EX-terms-selector-3.xml has also a different result

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Sebastian: I'll look at that

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Yves: http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/EX-terms-selector-3.xml is just not updated on the test overview page

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.. Felix needs to generate the one for language

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.. Language1.xml

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topic: NVDL appendix

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0061.html

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Yves: I'm fine with the proposals from Jirka

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action: editors to integrate http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0061.html into the draft

15:42:31 [Jirka]

Great, I'm glad you like my proposal

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See http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-irc#T15-42-31

15:43:01 [YvesS]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0044.html

15:44:18 [fsasaki]

bug related to NVDL is http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4290

15:45:09 [fsasaki]

bug related to http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-irc#T15-18-15 is http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4289

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topic: version attribute on its:version

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all: fine with the proposal

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action: modify one paragraph saying that version should be prefixed at version. Modify the schema to reflect this.

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action: Modify the samples and the test data to reflect the version attribute change

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first AI is for Felix, second for Yves

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See http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-irc#T15-47-59

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bug related to version change is at http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4291

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topic: f2f planning

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Felix: I would be in Germany during the week of 9 April

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Yves: let's look at possibilities around this

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topic: BP document section on docbook

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Jirka: what is the schedule for this?

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Yves: many AIs are on this document, it is still under work

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topic: mails about ITS

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see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0060.html

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Christian: introduces the mail

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topic: AOB

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-Sebastian_Rahtz

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-Felix

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-Yves_Savourel

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-Jirka

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+Felix

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-Christian

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-Felix

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Yves_Savourel, +420.4.824.0.aaaa, Felix, Jirka, Christian, Sebastian_Rahtz

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 18 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Felix to provide ruby tests and their implementation (ONGOING) [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-irc#T15-06-25

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ACTION: Felix to start a section on XHTML modularization for the XML i18n BP document (ONGOING) [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-irc#T15-07-06

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ACTION: Jirka to look at the test suite and see if the tests make sense (DONE) [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-irc#T15-08-07

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ACTION: Yves to fix all errors in test files reported by Jirka [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-irc#T15-09-08

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ACTION: editors to add the paragraph on "appendix D (Schemas for ITS)" to appendix D excluding the last sentence [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-irc#T15-16-14

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ACTION: editors to make the change on appendix E mentioned at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0052.html [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-irc#T15-18-15

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ACTION: Yves to make sure we have a section in the BP document for precedence of tool specific linking (DONE) [7]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-irc#T15-20-03

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ACTION: Editors to go to the draft and check that there are no "CSS style elements" or the like. (PENDING) [8]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-irc#T15-20-21

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ACTION: Editors to implement the the change in the specification regarding precedence order wording. (PENDING) [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-irc#T15-20-39

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ACTION: Editors to remove the <ns> feature from the ITS draft (DONE) [10]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-irc#T15-21-55

16:46:08 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Felix to post a proposal for both attribute notations on the span element. (DONE) [11]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-irc#T15-23-31

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ACTION: editors to make text change described in thread ending at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0058.html [12]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-irc#T15-25-07

16:46:08 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Felix to change the ODD definitions by copying the attributes in ITS span without a namespace [13]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-irc#T15-31-05

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ACTION: Felix to make the generation of the test report automatically [14]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-irc#T15-37-55

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ACTION: Yves to make example http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/EX-locNoteRefPointer-attribute-1.xml fixed [15]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-irc#T15-38-17

16:46:08 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: editors to integrate http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0061.html into the draft [16]

16:46:08 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-irc#T15-42-28

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ACTION: modify one paragraph saying that version should be prefixed at version. Modify the schema to reflect this. [17]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-irc#T15-47-19

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ACTION: Modify the samples and the test data to reflect the version attribute change [18]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-i18nits-irc#T15-47-30

16:46:11 [fsasaki]

zakim, bye

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