TAG telcon

30 Jan 2007


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Tim Berners-Lee, Dan Connolly, Rhys Lewis, Vincent Quint, TV Raman, Henry S. Thompson, Stuart Williams
Noah Mendelsohn, David Orchard, Ed Rice, Norm Walsh
Vincent Quint
TV Raman



Minutes of last teleconf linked from agenda.

VQ: minutes approved

Teleconf Scheduling:

SW: Possible two open slots Monday 17:00Z or Thursday 18:00Z for 90 minutes
...DC prefers Thu SW prefers Mon

SW: propose Monday

<ht> +0

<Rhys> +1

Next meeting: Monday Feb 5.

RESOLVED: Regular meetings Monday 17:00 UTC

<scribe> ACTION: VQ to set up bridge through Amy [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-tagmem-minutes.html#action01]

VQ: Next week scribe: DOrchard

VQ: suggest defering discussion on "passwords in the clear" with Ed missing

<ht> HST will miss the first 45 minutes next week, one-time conflicting appointment

Issue XMLFunctions-34

HT: Cambridge F2F: took an action to write on XMLFunctions-34
...Conclusion of the discussion was some consensus on a notion of "elaborated infoset"

HT: email sent to www-tag pointing to new document trying to summarize that consensus

HT: In consequence, Norm and TimBL on the hook to review above

<DanC> (FYI, the GRDDL WG is still actively discussing this case. http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist3#xinclude )

<DanC> (yup, there are actions on TBL and NW under http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#xmlFunctions-34 )

<ht> XBL2 discussion is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Jan/0042.html

<Zakim> DanC, you wanted to point out the 9 Feb SNOFHYP deadline

<DanC> 9 Feb deadline is re http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-xbl-20070117/

tvr: consider equilateral triangle xul dom tree of widgets CSS style JS handlers/behavior -- XBL is the centroid of this triangle that holds it together

TimBL -- there is some unfortunate history in the way semantics is used

<ht> All the HTML spec says is "The _p_ element represents a paragraph"

<timbl> The word 'semantic' was used by the SGML community to mean 'a top level heading' rather than '24 point centered bold'.

<timbl> Macros?

<Rhys> I believe [XBL has] been used to bind svg-based widgets to XForms

<ht> In general, "An SGML application" was defined as the combination of a syntax (expressed via a DTD) and a semantics (defined in prose)

<ht> ... The semantics would be expressed in terms appropriate to the domain, so, for documents, "top-level heading" might be appropriate, and for personnel records, "name", "department", "salary" etc.

tvr: functionaly xbl could be thought of as bringing to xml the expressiveness offered by latex macros

<timbl> Maybe we should just give each browser an implementation of XISP. -- XMLized LISP. :)

<timbl> The interesting this yes, is if the javascript is progressively thrown away as the macros become standard and also have higher-level semantics

<DanC> (hmm... I wonder if the XBL charter notes the relationship with XSLT, or if the XSLT WG is noted as a dependency)

HT: I presently have nothing to propose on behalf of the TAG with respect to XBL 2

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: VQ to set up bridge through Amy [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-tagmem-minutes.html#action01]
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