IRC log of tagmem on 2007-01-30
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- 17:35:23 [raman]
- Minutes: Raman
- 17:36:11 [raman]
- Minutes of last teleconf linked from agenda.
- 17:36:34 [DanC]
- (I have a ride to the airport leaving at T+50min, where T is the start of this call. so partial regrets.)
- 17:36:37 [raman]
- vq; minutes approved
- 17:38:24 [raman]
- Teleconf Scheduling:
- 17:39:06 [raman]
- SW: Possible two open slots Monday 17::00 or Thursday 18:00 for 90 minutes
- 17:39:59 [raman]
- DC prefers Thu SW prefers Mon
- 17:40:43 [raman]
- Call proposed Monday
- 17:41:03 [ht]
- +0
- 17:42:31 [Rhys]
- +1
- 17:44:03 [raman]
- Next meeting: Monday Feb 5.
- 17:44:11 [raman]
- Regular meetings Monday 17:00 UTC
- 17:44:38 [raman]
- ACTION: VQ to set up bridge through Amy
- 17:45:24 [raman]
- Next week scribe: DOrchard
- 17:46:09 [raman]
- VQ: suggest defering discussion on "passwords in the clear" with Ed missing
- 17:47:03 [ht]
- HST will miss the first 45 minutes next week, one-time conflicting appointment
- 17:48:01 [raman]
- HT: Cambridge F2F: tookin action to write on XML Functions
- 17:48:29 [raman]
- Conclusion of the discussion "elaborated infoset"
- 17:48:41 [raman]
- email sent to www-tag by hst summarizing above
- 17:48:55 [raman]
- Consequences: Norm TimBL on the hook to review above
- 17:49:19 [ht]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/elabInfoset.html
- 17:49:39 [DanC]
- (FYI, the GRDDL WG is still actively discussing this case. http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist3#xinclude )
- 17:50:57 [DanC]
- (yup, there are actions on TBL and NW under http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#xmlFunctions-34 )
- 17:52:15 [DanC]
- q+ to point out the 9 Feb SNOFHYP deadline
- 17:52:34 [ht]
- XML2 discussion is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Jan/0042.html
- 17:52:48 [DanC]
- s/XML2 discussion/XBL2 discussion/ ?
- 17:53:28 [Vincent]
- ack danc
- 17:53:28 [Zakim]
- DanC, you wanted to point out the 9 Feb SNOFHYP deadline
- 17:53:41 [ht]
- s/XML2/XBL2/
- 17:54:23 [DanC]
- 9 Feb deadline is re http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-xbl-20070117/
- 17:54:29 [raman]
- tvr: consider equilateral triangle xul dom tree of widgets CSS style JS handlers/behavior -- XBL is the centroid of this triangle that holds it together
- 17:56:28 [timbl]
- q+
- 17:56:54 [Vincent]
- ack timbl
- 17:58:24 [Zakim]
- -Stuart
- 17:58:41 [raman]
- TimBL -- there is some unfortunate history in the way semantics is used
- 18:00:07 [ht]
- All the HTML spec says is "The _p_ element represents a paragraph"
- 18:01:41 [timbl]
- The word 'semantic' was used by the SGML community to mean 'a top level heading' rather than '24 point centered bold'.
- 18:03:30 [timbl]
- Macros?
- 18:03:35 [Rhys]
- I believe its been used to bind svg-based widgets to XForms
- 18:03:38 [ht]
- In general, "An SGML application" was defined as the combination of a syntax (expressed via a DTD) and a semantics (defined in prose)
- 18:04:53 [raman]
- tvr: functionaly xbl could be thought of as bringing to xml the expressiveness offered by latex macros
- 18:05:34 [timbl]
- Maybe we should just give each browser an implementation of XISP. -- XMLized LISP. :)
- 18:05:56 [ht]
- ... The semantics would be expressed in terms appropriate to the domain, so, for documents, "top-level heading" might be appropriate, and for personnel records, "name", "department", "salary" etc.
- 18:06:24 [timbl]
- The interesting this yes, is if the javascript is progressively thrown awayas the macros become standard and also have higher-level semantics
- 18:09:59 [DanC]
- (hmm... I wonder if the XBL charter notes the relationship with XSLT, or if the XSLT WG is noted as a dependency0
- 18:10:00 [DanC]
- )
- 18:10:24 [raman]
- HT: presently has nothing to propose on behalf of the TAG with respect to XBL 2
- 18:11:12 [Zakim]
- -DanC
- 18:12:47 [ht]
- RRSAgent, make logs world-visible
- 18:12:56 [ht]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-tagmem-minutes.html ht
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- -Vincent
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- -Raman
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- -TimBL
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- -Ht
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- -Rhys
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- Attendees were Raman, Vincent, Stuart, Ht, Rhys, DanC, TimBL
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