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W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 26-10-2006, 16:00 UTC

26 Oct 2006

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Raphael, Jacco, Jeff, Chris, Giovanni, Ovidio, Massimo, Suzanne, Yiannis
Regrets
Thomas_Franz, Susanne_Boll, Paola_Hobson, Ioannis_Pratikakis, Michael_Hausenblas, Stamatia, Melli, George, Patrizia
Chair
JeffP
Scribe
raphael, Jacco, Raphael, Raphael, Jacco

Contents


 

 

<pasquale> Hi Raphael, good morning

<raphael> Thanks for updating the Resources page ! I have added some resources too

<pasquale> yes ;-) thanks to you!

<pasquale> unfortunately today i can only irc :-(

<chalaschek> Hi Raphael, how are you

<giovannit> piiiiing

<giovannit> conference in 5 minutes?

<giovannit> hi raphael :-)

<giovannit> well the tools wiki page has started.. its not in bad shape. it wil lbecome better as we all update it when we find a new tool

<giovannit> about the music use case.. its a difficult UC! :-) i am now editing to write how lame ID3 specs are.

<giovannit> christian sends regrets

<raphael> Giovanni, you can already take the big old list of the MM TF

<raphael> Will it not better to do DOAP file for each tool ? and generate automatically the web page ?

<giovannit> i have pointed at your list already (image annotations)

<raphael> This should not point to, but replace !

<raphael> the old page will disappear soon :-)

<raphael> Scribe: raphael

zakim Giovanni is giovannit

<giovannit> thanks raph

1. ADMIN

admin

PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 12 October 2006 telecon: ACCEPTED

PROPOSED next telecon 9 November 2006: ACCEPTED

2. LINKS Pages

<Jacco> Raphael: Vocabularies & resource wiki page start to look really good

<Jacco> Others: if you have additions, do not send mail to list but edit these wiki pages

<Jacco> Raphael: what about the tools pages?

<Jacco> Giovanni, I've started working on it

<Jacco> Used the old SWBPD page and added audio, video stuff

<Jacco> Giovanni: I'm not sure DOAP files have added value...

Use: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebDOAPBulletinBoard

<Jacco> Giovanni: not sure how to generate html file from RDF

<Jacco> Raphael: see link above for DOAP to HTML

<giovannit> proposal: an informal meeting at ISWC?

<giovannit> "informal" ?

PROPOSED next telecon 16 November 2006, and next one the 23rd November

ACCEPTED

<OS> Raphael, for us the 23rd is a problem

<Jacco> ACTION: raphael to add the NewsML entry on the vocabularies wiki page: DONE [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action01]

<Jacco> ACTION: Pasquale to maintain the Resources page: DONE [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]

<Jacco> ACTION: Michael to maintain the Vocabularies page: DONE [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action03]

<Jacco> ACTION: Giovanni and Christian to maintain the Tools page: DONE [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action04]

These actions are rather continuously pending until the end of this XG

<Jacco> Giovanni: what about an informal meeting at ISWC?

<scribe> ACTION: Jeff to arrange an informal F2F of the XG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action05]

<Jacco> ACTION: Paul, Melli to do their wiki page: CONTINUED [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]

3. XG UPDATES

<Jacco> ACTION: ACTION: Thierry to do his wiki page: DONE [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action07]

Image Annotation on the Semantic Web

<Jacco> ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation": CONTINUED [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action08]

I'm still working on the formatting issues

<Jacco> jeff: are we still using the swbpd website?

<Jacco> raphael: that should be changed too

Use cases on Interoperability Problems:

3.1 Music Use Case

<Jacco> raphael: main issue for this teleconf is to assign reviewers to each use case

<Jacco> Giovanni: I asked my reviewers to wait a while

Giovanni: my mind was to build a complete SW music application

<Jacco> I've looked at ID3 version 1, version 2 seems like a mess

Giovanni: now I have understood that we should focus on integrating musical vocabularies

Turn ID3 into RDF ?

but the values are still not controlled, a string and not a URI

<Jacco> defining the semantics of the ID3 tags is easy, the values will be difficult

<Jacco> some ID3 fields allow the use of controlled vocabularies

<Jacco> giovanni: yes, you can, but what about existing metadata that doesn't

giovanni: call for more volunteers in this use case

<scribe> Scribe: Jacco, Raphael

<Jacco> Giovanni: we need to find a balance between converting everything to RDF and have no RDF at all

<Jacco> Raphael: exactly, and the use case need to show that balance

<Jacco> ACTION: Jacco to review music use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action09]

<Jacco> ACTION: Raphael to ask UPF to review music use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action10]

3.2 News Use case

<Jacco> Raphael: Thierry and Chris are also editing this use case now

<Jacco> We will have more now that IPTC members have become members too

<Jacco> We have presented a use case and shown how it can be represented in NewsML and a boradcast format

<Jacco> and show how this can be better represented in OWL, with example DL reasoning

<JeffP> http://infolab.northwestern.edu/project.asp?id=40

<Jacco> Jeff: what about News At Seven project, see link above?

<Jacco> Raphael: we mentioned it in the wiki page

<Jacco> anyone on IRC that likes to review the news use case?

<Jacco> ACTION: Jeff to review use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action11]

<OS> which one?

<JeffP> the News

<OS> we are more interested in the MPEG-7 one

3.3 Medical use case

<Jacco> Melli is not here...

3.4 MPEG-7 metadata interoperability Use case

<Jacco> Raphael: I provided comments already, it seems to be a mature use case

<Jacco> ACTION: Suzanne to review MPEG7 use case by next teleconf [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action12]

3.5 Photo Use case: (Susanne)

<Jacco> Suzanne Boll is not here

3.6 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case: (Ioannis)

<Jacco> Ioannis is not here, Raphael sent in comment by the mail list today

3.7 Algorithm representation Use case: (Massimo, Patrizia, Ovidio)

<Jacco> Massimo: thanks for the comments Raphael

I proposed a possible collaboration with Melli

<Jacco> Could even become a single use case?

3.8 Tagging Use case: (George, Susanne, Thomas)

<Jacco> George is not here but sent a status update to the list

<Jacco> Jeff: should we have a key aspect the reviewers of all use cases do focus on?

<Jacco> Like identify common problems or interoperability issues across use cases

<Jacco> We need to be able to draw some conclusions at the end

<Jacco> having these issues explcicit would make the life of use case authors and reviewers easier

<Jacco> giovanni: one could review how much effort the use case requires and how realistic it is

<Jacco> ... and how existing "legacy" metadata fits into the scenario

<Jacco> Jeff: we could start discussing this on the mailing list

<Jacco> Raphael: yes, but Vassilis needs to take the lead in this

<JeffP> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/talks/ICANN2006/Overview.html#(11)

<Jacco> ACTION: Vassilis to lead discussion on organizing common aspects of all use cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action13]

4. Future Meetings

<JeffP> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39139/MMSEM-FTF02/results

<Jacco> ACTION: Jacco, CNR, others to fill in the f2f form [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action14]

<Jacco> Giovanni: I cannot make the f2f

<Jacco> Jacco: I like to attend via teleconf too

<Jacco> Yannis: there are two days, Friday there is a room at the SAMT venue

<scribe> ACTION: Raphael to send the details of the F2F [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action15]

Meeting Venue

Friday: SAMT conference hotel, http://www.divanis.com/acropolis/default-en.htm

Saturday: NTUA campus

<Jacco> There will be wireless connection at the conf hotel

Book your flight tickets and hotel now, since the Divanis hotel will be full

<Jacco> On Saturday their will be a room at the campus

<Jacco> Yannis: there is a special rate for conf. participants

there is a reduced price of 100 euros, single or double room precising SAMT

<Jacco> see samt website

before November 5th for the Hotel registration

5 AOB

<Jacco> none

<giovannit> bye bye

<Jacco> Scribe: Raphael, Jacco

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Jacco to review music use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Jacco, CNR, others to fill in the f2f form [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action14]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff to arrange an informal F2F of the XG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff to review use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Raphael to ask UPF to review music use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: Raphael to send the details of the F2F [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action15]
[NEW] ACTION: Suzanne to review MPEG7 use case by next teleconf [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: Vassilis to lead discussion on organizing common aspects of all use cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action13]
 
[PENDING] ACTION: Paul, Melli to do their wiki page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action08]
 
[DONE] ACTION: Giovanni and Christian to maintain the Tools page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action04]
[DONE] ACTION: Michael to maintain the Vocabularies page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: Pasquale to maintain the Resources page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]
[DONE] ACTION: raphael to add the NewsML entry on the vocabularies wiki page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action01]
[DONE] ACTION: Thierry to do his wiki page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action07]
 
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