WS Policy WG Teleconference
6 Sep 2006

 

 

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0018.html

<PaulC> Good morning Chris.

<PaulC> Chris: Do we need to schedule a 1:1 this week to discuss the F2F agenda?

<PaulC> Chris: Could we do the meeting early on Friday AM PT?

<cferris> yes, that would be fine

<cferris> I have a working draft that I will update after the call

<PaulC> Chris: If you send it to me then we can discuss on Friday.

Scribe for 12 September F2F: Glen Daniels

<felix-boulder> Glen will do the first morning of scribing at the f2f

Paul C: Comments on Agenda

I am listed as scribe.

comments on agenda

<sanka> yep

<cferris> Chair: PaulC

Paul C: Review of agenda

<cferris> Scribe: Monica

Approval of 30 Aug Minutes - Approved

Distributed meeting 3 weeks

PaulC: Discuss meeting plan at F2F next week

http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/admin#meetings

Editorial team report (dorchard)

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0017.html

<cferris> ACTION: Chris to include meeting schedule discussion in F2F agenda [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-ws-policy-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Chris

PaulC: On glossary terms, each definitions is in document and hyperlinked.
... How do you handle defs from another document?

dorchard: Attachment document links to glossary section.
... All links should be attached to Attachment document, for example.

<asir> it appears that these links are broken

PaulC: These links are broken.

dorchard: Action is still open then.

felix-boulder: Will handle this action item

<scribe> ACTION: felix-boulder on the action item related to terms and links. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-ws-policy-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - felix-boulder

<felix-boulder> ACTION: Felix on the action item related to terms and links [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-ws-policy-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-84 - on the action item related to terms and links [on Felix Sasaki - due 2006-09-13].

PaulC: Want to vote on these documents at the F2F.
... Add to agenda for F2F.

Action Item Review (PaulC)

<toufic> ack

PaulC: Add agenda item for F2F for Action 48

Conformance Sections

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3559

PaulC: Due date 8 September 2006
... Proposal for 3599 for Ashok Malhotra

Ashok: On vacation, was due for F2F

PaulC: Due date 8 September 2006

Paul C: Action 79 (Issue 3623)

PaulC: Due 30 September 2006
... Requires coordination.
... Action 81 (Issue 3620)
... Due 7 September 2006
... I've questioned if this is out of scope
... Action 83 (Issue 3577)

MaryAnn: Present at F2F; will send proposal
... Provide context of the primer

PaulC: (modified) Action 83 is for primer; question if related to 3577?
... May have a missing action item

MaryAnn: Confused

<maryann> yes i am

Chris: Issue 3577 - is this covered in the primer proposal?

PaulC: I think we have different items here. Action 83 will be addressed at F2F.
... Issue 3577 is already on F2F agenda.
... Completed review of action items

<FrederickHirsch> I did not hear what Maryann said.

<maryann> maryann to investigate whether 3577 is covered by primer

MaryAnne: Investigate whether Issue 3577 is covered by primer.

Action 28 - Adding/developing versioning policy material to primer/guide

PaulC: No responses thus far; please explain

DavidO: What would happen if policy language is extended or versioned?
... New or modified may be compatible or not to previous ones.
... For extensions, 6 elements allow extensibility for example.
... Provides explanation.
... Policy Framework or Attachment could evolve
... Show example
... When a new Policy version is produced, it is built to be compatible with a previous version

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Aug/0159.html

DavidO: Compatible new operator in language discussed
... Example of policy in two different versions, that may not be compatible

PaulC: Questions now?
... Material may go in primer that is direction on how to evolve policy language itself?

DavidO: This may be done by WG or someone else?

<Nadalin> +q

DavidO: Exchange of policy will be WSDL and UDDI
... Could have separate WSDL with different versions of WSDL
... How to query these is difficult
... Show example

MaryAnn: This begs further review
... Confused if primer is a guidelines for use of this version. Separate guidelines for extension from future versions

DavidO: Deal with forward compatibility
... Primer would assist

MaryAnn: Primer should show best practices of current framework including how future versions of policy language are done in the context of best practices

DavidO: Two audiences - future WG or other parties

<toufic> kudos to zakim? :)

<Nadalin> phone just died will call back in

<toufic> oops! did i say that out loud??

<dorchard> inner irc?

<toufic> good, thanks monica

PaulC: Carry Action 28 to agenda for F2F
... Link various primer items together in F2F

Action 64

PaulC: Pend for F2F
... Update Bugzilla for meeting pointer so we can determine how issues resolved in list 7.
... Issue 3543 and 3586
... Query Issue 3562 for the F2F agenda
... Query Moberg on Issue 3565

<whenry> I am here

Issue 3605 Resolution

<asir> Felix - 3562 was closed on July 26th - see http://www.w3.org/2006/07/26-ws-policy-minutes.html

PaulC: Henry to resolve Issue 3605
... Toufic to handle Issue 3616

Topics: Issues for processing

<whenry> FYI I've closed out 3605 in bugzilla

Issue 3590

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3590

Asir: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Aug/0156.html

PaulC: Do you agree?

DavidO: Element extensibility for PolicyReference element

Asir: Need to be consistent with the extensibility to other languages

DavidO: Want to address #3 first

<PaulC> Item 3: The attribute extensibility should be for attributes for any

<PaulC> Item 3: ... namespace

DavidO: This is a simple editorial change that the attributes can be from any namespace

Asir: Agreed

DavidO: Document and schema disconnect
... #1 and #2 have already been done by WG agreement

<cferris> action3 -

DavidO: These were action items
... Align document text with schema

PaulC: Agreed on #3 - No objections

<cferris> ACTION- 3

DavidO: Rule in WS-*, use any namespace for attribute or element extensibility with one exception (UPA)
... Agree with Asir that other is used
... Prefer any to other

Asir: Elements use ##other
... Push for consistency with other metadata languages like WSDL and framework

DavidO: This is not relevant to the point made

PaulC: Creating problem like in other meta-data specs?

DavidO: WSDL defs have child elements that are optional

PaulC: Can you live with his proposals?

Asir: Extensibility will be different for different elements

ChrisF: If you want to extend namespace for optional functionality in same namespace, you can do this with ##other

Asir: Can't add elements to existing namespace

ChrisF: You are missing the point

DavidO: We haven't allowed extensibility that may be desired. Is this a separate issue?

ChrisF: Fairly useful ability to extend a namespace without changing vocabulary

DavidO: Agrees, we have for attributes

Paul: Asir, today's position is different than in the text of the email

c/Paul/PaulC

PaulC: More discussion needed

ChrisF: Need new issue or action?

<scribe> ACTION: DaveO Create issue questioning use of any namespace than any namespace for element extensibility [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-ws-policy-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - DaveO

PaulC: Action related to #4 and agenda item for F2F

Issue 3613

Frederick: Specific is declarative than procedural. Consistent with W3C work

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3613

Frederick: Address editorial items for this

PaulC: Address in agenda for F2F

Issue 3557

Ashok: Wrote wording. Asir provided feedback.

<asir> Fine with me

<cferris> ACTION: Christoper to follow-up with Felix/Dean to resolve issue with Tracker in that it doesn't record actions when the actionee's name is not exactly the same as that recorded in the Tracker database... should be recorded as unassigned [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-ws-policy-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Christoper

<Yakov> +1 to Ashok

Ashok: Add 'etc'.

<PaulC> Changed to be:

<PaulC> Domain Expressions may be used to refer to WSDL 1.1 definitions, WSDL 2.0 components, endpoint references, etc.

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0010.html

Changed to be:

Domain Expressions may be used to refer to WSDL 1.1 definitions, WSDL 2.0 components, endpoint references, etc.

(Thanks PaulC)

RESOLUTION: Issue 3557 Resolved with change as amended today.

Issue 3617 Namespace URI versioning policy unclear

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3617

PaulC: Have we handled?
... Check namespace policy to see
... Queue up discussion for the F2F agenda

<PaulC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Aug/0091.html

(coordination) Issue 3623 Relation of Attachment to SAWSDL

PaulC: Chairs will carry forward

Issue 3619 re: WS-Addressing

PaulC: WS-Addressing WG has not yet met on this issue
... Contact Bob Freund after 11 Sept WS-A meeting
... Carry to F2F agenda

Issue 3607 Better describe policy language capab

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3607

PaulC: Concrete proposal with no responses

Yakov: Cosmetic - Strange that 'evaluate' wasn't defined in the specification

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Aug/0115.html

<PaulC> Proposed text:

<PaulC> Web Services Policy 1.5 - Framework provides a single policy language to allow both kinds of assertions to be expressed and evaluated in a consistent manner.

PaulC: Proposed text

<toufic> +1

<asir> + 1 to the proposed change

PaulC: Web Services Policy 1.5 - Framework provides a single policy language to allow both kinds of assertions to be expressed and evaluated in a consistent manner.
... Feedback

<cferris> +

<cferris> +1

PaulC: Any objections?

<asir> ACTION: Editors to implement the resolution for issue 3607 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-ws-policy-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-89 - Implement the resolution for issue 3607 [on Editors - due 2006-09-13].

RESOLUTION; Issue 3607 Resolved as proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Aug/0115.html

<asir> ACTION: Editors to implement the resolution for issue 3557 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-ws-policy-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-90 - Implement the resolution for issue 3557 [on Editors - due 2006-09-13].

Issue 3549 Require assertions to be distinguished from parameter elements

<PaulC> Current thread is at:

<PaulC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Aug/0117.html

Frederick: Need to develop a proposal

<scribe> ACTION: Frederick to develop proposal for Issue 3549 for F2F (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Aug/0117.html) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-ws-policy-minutes.html#action08]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-91 - Develop proposal for Issue 3549 for F2F (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Aug/0117.html) [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2006-09-13].

Issue 3638

Issue 3639

<whenry> Sorry, I got dropped off the call. Back on now.

PaulC: Was looking for guidance

Ashok: Have received comments from Daniel Roth and Abbie Barbir
... On Issue 3638, do what WS-SecurityPolicy does.

<PaulC> See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0009.html

Ashok: Need to discuss with product team and then advise
... This is a possible resolution

PaulC: Allow one week and require no spec change?

Ashok: I do not know if there will be no spec change

PaulC: Add Issue 3638 to F2F Agenda

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3639

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Aug/0158.html

Ashok: Pend for one more week

<PaulC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0009.html

<maryann> i would like more time to respond to ashok as well

<PaulC> For 3638 see:

<PaulC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0011.html

PaulC: Relates to Issue 3638, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0009.html

<asir> 3639 is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0009.html

PaulC: (correction) Relates to Issue 3639, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0009.html
... (correction) Relates to Issue 3638, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0011.html

Ashok: Need further WG input

<PaulC> See also re 3639:

<PaulC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0005.html

PaulC: For 3639, look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0005.html
... Add Issue 3639 to F2F agenda

Issue 3620

PaulC: This may be out of scope. Daniels provide information for F2F agenda

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3620

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Aug/0169.html

PaulC: Any other business?

Adjourn 10:34 a.m. PT, 6 September 2006

<GlenD> see y'all next week!

<cferris> zakim. who is here?

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Present: Abbie_Barbir Mark_Little SergeyBeryozkin PaulC Chris_Ferris Toufic_Boubez Vladimir Glen Jeff_Crump Frederick_Hirsch Yakov_Sverdlov m2 Felix Jong_Lee Fabian whenry_(muted) Charlton_Barreto DOrchard Maryann Prasad Ashok Tony_Nadalin Asir Dan Sanka Jeff_M
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