W3C

Emotion Markup Language

19 Jun 2008

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Marc Schröder, Felix Burkhardt, Andrew Breen, Enrico Zovato, Bill Jarrold, Myriam Lamolle, Catherine Pelachaud, Ian Wilson, Idoia Cearreta
Regrets
Jianhua Tao, Björn Schuller, Nestor Garay-Vitoria, Paolo Baggia
Chair
Marc Schröder
Scribe
Ian Wilson

Chair's Summary

We agreed on using XML for drafting a first version of the EmotionML. A small group of active persons was identified who will produce proposals for discussion by the group, starting with next meeting.

We will try to hold a face-to-face meeting at the general W3C meeting in Cannes in October.

Contents


Future Meeting Times

<Scribe> Marc asks whether we can keep with the suggested dates and times

<Scribe> ACTION: Marc to keep to current time schedule - due 2008.6.19 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - keep time schedule [on Marc Schr&#246der - due 2008-06-19].

Specification Format

<Scribe> Marc asks whether we agree that XML is the format we should progress with

<Scribe> Ian says connection to other groups (who seem to all be using XML) will be very difficult unless we use XML

<Scribe> Andy says Commercial organizations will have difficulty accepting anything but XML

<Scribe> Bill says that OWL has flexibility

<felix> I vote for using XML cause I think it meets the requirements fair enough (gut feeling) and is known much wider than OWL which will help spreading the use

<Scribe> Bill has shown with his example (http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/billj/custom-descriptor-challenge/) OWL can be use sub classes as our specification calls for

<Scribe> After a vote (Bill abstention due to lack of XML knowledge) we agree to move forward with XML as our format of choice

Connections to exisiting languages

<marc> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/emotion/XGR-emotion/#ExistingLanguages

<marc> this link contains a set of links to things from existing markup languages that we could build upon

<Scribe> After surveying various other current XML specifications points made are that they are complimentary to what we are trying to do

<Scribe> Marc notes that we are not trying to redefine existing language features in our languages

<Scribe> Instead we could look at how they have already solved problems we need to solve and perhaps use their solutions or be inspired by them

Design Principles

<marc> e.g. "simple cases should look simple"

<marc> ... or "structure should be explicit enough to avoid confusion"

<Scribe> Here is a more general set of best practices : http://www.xfront.com/BestPracticesHomepage.html

<Scribe> Marc notes that apparently a first working draft does not contain an XML schema

<Scribe> so we should focus our discussions on syntax

<Scribe> Andy says we should focus on incorporating other languages as much as possible

<Scribe> Ian says perhaps we can bias our representation towards being explicit

<Scribe> Bill asks to clarify the definition of "explicit" and "implicit"

<Scribe> Marc explains about EARLs implicit structure

<Scribe> Felix mentions that we have already agreed some of the points

<Scribe> ACTION: XMLGroup to show examples of explicit and implicit structure - due 2008.6.26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - XMLGroup

<Scribe> Enrico suggests that our choice of guiding principals be guided by first writing examples

<Scribe> ACTION: marc to show examples of explicit and implicit structure - due 2008.6.26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - show examples of explicit and implicit structure [on Marc Schr&#246der - due 2008-06-19].

Creation of XML group

<Scribe> Marc asks for volunteers for the XML group

<felix> I volunteer

<marc> I volunteer

<Scribe> ACTION: felix to join first XML group - due 2008.6.19 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - join first XML group [on Felix Burkhardt - due 2008-06-19].

<Scribe> ACTION: marc to join first XML group - due 2008.6.19 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - join first XML group [on Marc Schr&#246der - due 2008-06-19].

<Scribe> I volunteer

<Scribe> ACTION: ian to join first XML group - due 2008.6.19 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-21 - join first XML group [on Ian Wilson - due 2008-06-19].

<Scribe> ACTION: felix, marc, ian to discuss separately how to proceed with XML group - due 2008.6.26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - felix,

<Scribe> Marc asks how other would like to follow the discussions

<Scribe> Bill would like to follow the discussions

<Scribe> Ian says that the dynamics are different between group and private communicatuions

<Scribe> Marc says that he would prefer initially to keep discussions within the small group

<Scribe> Ian says perhaps we can "cc" other interested parties

<Scribe> Marc suggests sending a note to the public mailing list posting that we are discussing things in a small group and anyone else interested should let us know

<Scribe> ACTION: marc to notify public mailing list of XML group - due 2008.6.19 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action08]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-22 - notify public mailing list of XML group [on Marc Schr&#246der - due 2008-06-19].

<Scribe> ACTION: felix, marc, ian to something as a basis for discussion - due 2008.7.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action09]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - felix,

Face 2 Face meeting in Cannes

<Scribe> Marc asks if he should proceed with organizing a Cannes f2f meeting

<felix> yes I agree to try to organize a Cannes f2f

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: felix to join first XML group - due 2008.6.19 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: felix, marc, ian to discuss separately how to proceed with XML group - due 2008.6.26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: felix, marc, ian to something as a basis for discussion - due 2008.7.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: ian to join first XML group - due 2008.6.19 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: marc to join first XML group - due 2008.6.19 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Marc to keep time schedule - due 2006.6.19 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: marc to notify public mailing list of XML group - due 2008.6.19 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: marc to show examples of explicit and implicit structure - due 2008.6.26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: XMLGroup to show examples of explicit and implicit structure - due 2008.6.26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action02]
 

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