MarkB: we're talking about CURIE/URI here, we started with delimiters or enclosers, square brackets

<jeremy> Just catching up on the mail: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Nov/0049 is brilliant

<MarkB> If current doc is "http://xyz.com/a/b.html"

<jeremy> the following is a legal rel URI //www.w3.org

<jeremy> also the following //[aaaa::aaaa]

<jeremy> (I think, I can't remember IPv6 IP address format)

someone proposed [cc]license

<Steven> I did

Ben: do we have any further thoughts on this?

MarkB: to be honest, I don't really care about which syntax we choose.
... our HTML audience isn't very familiar with QNames, so it might not be a big problem

<jeremy> My only requirement is that the syntax is X [a-zA-Z0-9]+ : .* where X is a non-alphabetic

MarkB: [cc]license is not a legal URI, so it would be an okay syntax

Jeremy: as long as the syntax we agree on is not a legal URI, then I'm happy

Ben: but QNames are legal URIs

Jeremy: dc:title is a legal URI
... in terms that it matches the URI spec

MarkB: I don't think that's a legal URI anymore

<MarkB> If we are in "http://www.w3.org/index.html"...

<jeremy> consider mailto:foo

<MarkB> ...then it used to be regarded as valid to say "http:index2.html"

MarkB: but that's kind of frowned upon now

<jeremy> path = path-abempty ; begins with "/" or is empty

<jeremy> / path-absolute ; begins with "/" but not "//"

<jeremy> / path-noscheme ; begins with a non-colon segment

<jeremy> / path-rootless ; begins with a segment

<jeremy> / path-empty ; zero characters

<jeremy> path-noscheme = segment-nz-nc *( "/" segment )

<jeremy> oops wrong rules ... try again

Jeremy: 2 sensible choices: a) CURIEs sensibly different b) CURIEs similar and gives us features, but requires bracketing (or something like it)
... making CURIEs look like QNAmes is a defensible position

<jeremy> URI = scheme ":" hier-part [ "?" query ] [ "#" fragment ]

<jeremy> hier-part = "//" authority path-abempty

<jeremy> / path-absolute

<jeremy> / path-rootless

<jeremy> / path-empty

<jeremy> path-rootless = segment-nz *( "/" segment )

MarkB: I feel that we are on strong ground with this proposal.
... the point that Norm got to, that Best Practices are not great.

What do we know. The following syntaxes are workable

- [cc:license] as CURIE/URI

- [cc]license as a CURIE

scribe: and a CURIE/URI

<MarkB> [protocol]//mylocation/a/b#x

<MarkB> {$a}abc

<MarkB> {/a/b}a

<MarkB> Steven's other syntax proposal:

<MarkB> :a:b

<MarkB> [[subst]:][[scheme]://]...etc.

MarkB: the advantage of stepping outside of QNames-proper is that we can use any substitution mechanism we want, including some that can be Xincluded
... [missed some notes here]
... if we go for a different qname syntax, we should also add the extra bits for substitution

Jeremy: if we wrote a CURIE note as a standalone document
... the prefix-binding should be application-specific
... the CURIEs would be the same in SPARQL, XHTML, etc...
... but the mechanism by which prefixes are bound to URIs *could* be different

MarkB: this would give the IPTC what they want, as well

agendum 2

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Jeremy and Ben agree to Christmas deadline for RDF/A XSLT

<scribe> ACTION: Jeremy to have XSLT ready by Christmas [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/29-swbp-minutes.html#action01]

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