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Agenda of 20 October 2003 TAG teleconference

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Note: The Chair does not expect the agenda to change after close of business (Boston time) Thursday of this week.

1. Administrative (15min)

1. Welcome, Roll call. Regrets: SW, DC.
2. Accept the minutes of the 6-8 Oct ftf in Bristol?
3. Accept this agenda?
4. Next meeting: 27 Oct 2003 teleconference
5. Reminder: Action items related to Arch Document due 22 October.

Upcoming meeting topics:

• 27 Oct:
  • Draft finding from NW and DO: Versioning XML Languages, 18 Sep draft. What to include in arch doc?
  • Discuss AC meeting presentation
• 10 Nov: Last meeting to review Arch Doc with possibility of action items

1.1 TAG update at Nov 2003 AC meeting.

1. Completed action SW 2003/09/29: Draft summary based on monthly reports from previous six months (for AC meeting). See previous highlights.
2. Action DO, CL 2003/10/07: Draft presentation for the AC meeting.

2. Technical (75min)

1. abstractComponentRefs-37
2. Review of 3023-related actions
3. Review of Architecture Document writing assignments

2.1 abstractComponentRefs-37

• abstractComponentRefs-37: Summary of options from DO
  • Action DO 2003/10/08: Write up resolution from 8 Oct 2003 meeting and include in finding on this topic. (done)

2.2 Review of 3023-related actions

Actions 2003/10/08:

- NW to liaise with Paul Grosso and the XML Core WG

- TBL and DC to liaise with the IETF regarding obsoleting RFC 3023.

- TB to talk to authors of 3023 about inclusion as appendix in xml 1.1.
- TBL and DC will talk to the Architecture Domain Lead.

2.3 Review of Architecture Document writing assignments

Latest draft is the 1 Oct 2003 WD of the Arch Doc.

TimBray

1. Action TB 2003/10/08: Write up a paragraph for section 3 on syntax-based interoperability.
2. Action TB 2003/10/08: Write a paragraph of rationale for why error handling good in the context of the Web.
3. Action TB 2003/10/08: Propose a revised paragraph to replace the "Furthermore" sentence in section 2.3

Stuart

• Completed action SW: Send to IJ draft diagrams

Ian

1. Action IJ 2003/10/08: Add ed note to abstract that the abstract will be rewritten.
2. Action IJ 2003/10/08: Starting from DO's diagram, create a diagram where the relationships and terms are linked back to the context where defined. Ensure that the relationships are in fact used in the narrative; any gaps identified? With DO, work on term relationship diagram.
3. Action IJ 2003/10/08: Draft good practice note for 4.4.
4. Action IJ 2003/10/08: In 2.4, add story that shows how two classes of error can arise (inconsistency v. no frag id semantics defined). Frame story in terms of secondary resources.
5. Action IJ 2003/10/08: Split persistency section into two and move http redirection para there, with appropriate rewrites.
6. Action IJ 2003/10/08: Update OWL ref since in CR
7. Action IJ 2003/10/08: Add a future work section for identifiers that the TAG expects to summarize various URI schemes and what agents can infer from the scheme.

David

1. Action DO,NW 2003/10/08: Make the summary to replace 4.5 Extensibility and Versioning in the arch doc

Chris

1. Action CL 2003/07/21: Discuss and propose improved wording of language regarding SVG spec in bulleted list in 2.5.1.

Norm

1. Action NW 2003/10/08: Write up text on information hiding/abstraction respect for before 2/3/4.
2. Action NW 2003/10/08: Revise QName finding. We will also add those two good practice notes to section 2:
   1. If you use Qnames, provide a mapping to URIs.
   2. Don't define an attribute that can take either a URI or a Qname since they are not syntactically distinguishable."
3. Action NW 2003/10/08: Rewrite the last paragraph of 4.9.2 to be less inflammatory about DTDs
4. Action NW 2003/10/08: Massage three paragraphs following good practice note about persistency at beginning of 2.6.

Roy

1. Action RF 2003/10/08: Explain "identifies" in RFC 2396.

TBL

1. Action TBL 2003/07/14: Suggest changes to section about extensibility related to "when to tunnel".

DC

1. Action DC 2003/07/21: Propose language for section 2.8.5 showing examples of freenet and other systems. Progress; see URISchemes/freenet

The TAG does not expect to cover these issues

2.5 Findings

See also TAG findings home page.

• whenToUseGet-7: Finding: URIs, Addressability, and the use of HTTP GET and POST
  • Action DC 2003/09/15: Provide TAG with pointers into WS specs where issue of safe operations is manifest.
  • Action DO 2003/09/15: Ask WSDL WG to look at finding; ask them if marking operations as safe in WSDL is one of their requirements.
  • See comments from Noah, however.
• contentPresentation-26: Draft finding: Separation of semantic and presentational markup, to the extent possible, is architecturally sound
  • Action CL 2003/10/08: Talk with others about aspects of this finding and revise it.
• contentTypeOverride-24: 9 July 2003 draft of Client handling of MIME headers
  1. Completed action RF 2003/09/15: Proposed substitute text in light of previous comments on charset param. (Done)
  2. Comments from Philipp Hoschka about usability issues when user involved in error correction. Is there a new Voice spec out we can point to for example behavior?
  3. Comments from Chris Lilley
  4. Lots of comments from Martin Duerst
  5. Action IJ 2003/10/08: Produce a new draft of the finding that takes into account comments from reviewers on MIME finding.
• metadataInURI-31: 8 July 2003 draft of "The use of Metadata in URIs"
  • Action SW 2003/07/21: Produce a revision of this finding based on Vancouver ftf meeting discussion.
  • Action DO 2003/07/07: Send rationale about why WSDL WG wants to peek inside the URI.
  • See also TB email on Apple Music Store and use of URI schemes instead of headers
  • See comments from Mark Nottingham and followup from Noah M.
• 11 Sep 2003 draft of Deep Linking in the WWW
  • Completed action IJ 2003/10/08: Republish as accepted and signal to person who raised the issue (Michael Kay).
  • Pending action IJ 2003/09/15: Take back to Comm Team publicity of this document

2.2.1 Expected new findings

• siteData-36
  • Action TB 2003/10/08: Refine strawman from 8 Oct 2003 meeting and draft finding.
• abstractComponentRefs-37: Summary of options from DO
  • Action DO 2003/10/08: Write up resolution from 8 Oct 2003 meeting and include in finding on this topic.

2.6 Issues

The TAG does not expect to discuss these issues at this meeting.

2.6.1 Identifiers (URIEquivalence-15 , IRIEverywhere-27)

• URIEquivalence-15
  • SW proposal: Track RFC2396bis where Tim Bray text has been integrated. Comment within the IETF process. Move this issue to pending state.
• IRIEverywhere-27
  • Action CL 2003/04/07: Revised position statement on use of IRIs.
  • Action TBL 2003/04/28: Explain how existing specifications that handle IRIs are inconsistent. TBL draft not yet available on www-tag.
  • See TB's proposed step forward on IRI 27.

2.6.2 Qnames, fragments, and media types(rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6, fragmentInXML-28, abstractComponentRefs-37, putMediaType-38)

• xmlIDSemantics-32: Chris Lilley draft finding.
  • The TAG is monitoring the Core WG's progress on this issue.
• rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6
  • Action DC 2003/02/06: Propose TAG response to XML Schema desideratum (RQ-23).
• fragmentInXML-28 : Use of fragment identifiers in XML.
  1. Connection to content negotiation?
  2. Connection to opacity of URIs?
  3. No actions associated / no owner.
• putMediaType-38

2.6.3 New and other Issues requested for discussion. (mixedUIXMLNamespace-33, RDFinXHTML-35, siteData-36 plus possible new issues)

Existing Issues:

• mixedUIXMLNamespace-33
• RDFinXHTML-35

2.6.4 Miscellaneous issues

• namespaceDocument-8
  • Action PC 2003/04/07: Prepare finding to answer this issue, pointing to the RDDL Note. See comments from Paul regarding TB theses. From 21 July ftf meeting, due 31 August.
  • Action TB 2003/09/15: Add "Hello World" example to next draft of RDDL Spec (i.e., to edited version of RDDL draft 4).
  • Action TB 2003/09/15: Produce schemaware for RDDL spec once TAG has consensus on the syntax.
• uriMediaType-9
  • Action CL 2003/05/05: Propose CL's three changes to registration process to Ned Freed. [What forum?]
• HTTPSubstrate-16
  • Action RF 2003/02/06: Write a response to IESG asking whether the Web services example in the SOAP 1.2 primer is intended to be excluded from RFC 3205
• xlinkScope-23
  • Action CL 2003/06/30: Ping the chairs of those groups asking for an update on xlinkScope-23.
• binaryXML-30
  • Action TB 2003/02/17: Write to www-tag with his thoughts on adding to survey.
  • Next steps to finding? See summary from Chris.
• xmlFunctions-34
  • Action TBL 2003/02/06: State the issue with a reference to XML Core work. See email from TimBL capturing some of the issues.
• charmodReview-17
  1. Action SW 2003/10/08: Follow up with I18N folks on status of TAG's charmod comments.
• rdfURIMeaning-39

3. Other actions

• Action IJ 2003/02/06: Modify issues list to show that actions/pending are orthogonal to decisions. PLH has put the issues list in production; see the DOM issues list.