Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference

15 Jun 2010


See also: IRC log


Alessio Soldano, Red Hat
Ashok Malhotra, Oracle Corp.
Bob Freund, Hitachi, Ltd.
Doug Davis, IBM
Gilbert Pilz, Oracle Corp.
Katy Warr, IBM
Li Li, Avaya Communications
Martin Chapman, Oracle Corp.
Ram Jeyaraman, Microsoft Corp.
Tom Rutt, Fujitsu, Ltd.
Vikas Varma, Software AG
Wu Chou, Avaya Communications
Rick Landau, Dell, observer
Asir Vedamuthu, Microsoft Corp.
Bob Natale, MITRE Corp.
David Snelling, Fujitsu, Ltd.
Fred Maciel, Hitachi, Ltd.
Jeff Mischkinsky, Oracle Corp.
Mark Little, Red Hat
Nathan Burkhart, Microsoft Corp.
Orit Levin, Microsoft Corp.
Paul Fremantle, WSO2
Paul Nolan, IBM
Prasad Yendluri, Software AG
Sreedhara Narayanaswamy, CA
Yves Lafon, W3C/ERCIM
Bob Freund, Hitachi, Ltd.
Ashok Malhotra, Oracle Corp.


<trackbot> Date: 15 June 2010

<Bob> scribe: Ashok

<Bob> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jun/0007.html

<scribe> scribenick: Ashok


Agenda accepted

Minutes from June 8

RESOLUTION: Minutes of 2010-06-08 approved w/o

Advance Soap Assertions to Last Call? http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-ws-soap-assertions-20100608/

Bob: Any objections?

RESOLUTION: Soap Assertions to be published as last call

Bob: How long should last call be? It is a very short document.
... 3 or 4 weeks

RESOLUTION: No objections to a 3 week Last Call.

Need short abstracts for spec directory examples at http://www.w3.org/standards/techs/sparql#w3c_all

<Bob> http://www.w3.org/standards/techs/sparql#w3c_all

Bob: Who will volunteer to write abstracts?

Doug: I'll take a stab at it

<dug> ACTION: Doug to write up some abstracts [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-ws-ra-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-166 - Write up some abstracts [on Doug Davis - due 2010-06-22].


1-Issue-9610 Eventing: Support WS-Management's heartbeat events http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9610 -wsman

<Tom_Rutt> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jun/0004.html

<Bob> proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jun/0004.html

TomRutt: Simplify d ... always send msg at regular intervals

WuChou: Using count may not good idea

TomRutt: Agrees with Wu

Rick: We would like to withdraw proposal
... WS-Man would like to use it's existing mechanism
... also remove GetStatus Verify option

Doug: Proposal is worthy of consideration for a primer ... later

<asoldano> +1

TomRutt: We do not need to remove what we have or not add a more general feature

Gil: Keep alive is worse than heartbeat
... increases shared state by a lot

Rick: The keep-alive uses a maximum interval. If you implement as regular heartbeat the max interval never exceeded
... can be implemented by alarm clock
... no need to keep distributed state

<dug> +1 to cwna and remove

Bob: Proposal to CNA and remove ... Option f.
... remove verify

TomRutt: Lets not take away what we have ... meets a general need

Bob: Do you want option e rather than f?

Doug: Disagrees. No need for what we added. That was for WS-Man. Will cause confusion

<Bob> ok, lets pick one

<Bob> e or f

Doug: Maybe we Doug, Can add later

<MartinC> who is going to implement getstatus?

Allesio: f

IBM: f

Microsoft: f

Fujistu: e

SoftwareAG: f

Avaya: abstain

Oracle: f

Bob: We pick f

RESOLUTION: Issue 9610 is resolved by removing the verify feature and reverting to original state

Issue 9609

<Bob> proposal at http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/attachment.cgi?id=887

2-Issue-9609 Enum: Support WS-Management's optimization of Enumerations with small result sets http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9609 -wsman proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jun/0006.html and in the bug list

TomRutt: Any changes to response in existing spec?

Rick: Yes

Doug: Looks like a large premature optimization
... prefer to make pull an explicit enumerate

Bob: This is what we agreed to

TomRutt: Then why do we need enumerate

Doug: You would have a choice on the pull

Gil: Can we change to pull-enumerate?

Bob: Let's leave issue of the name aside to the time being

<dug> I'd be willing to writeup the proposal

Bob: would this meet your needs ... first pull alsways enumerate
... Can you write the proposal?

Doug: Yes

3-Issue-9781 WS-Eventing: mandates only subscribe/unsubscribe http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9781 -Li

Li: Explains issue

Wu: make only subscribe/unsubscribe as manadtory all else optional

Doug: Should not get rid of GetStatus
... Other mechanisms are not described in the spec
... defends GetStatus
... cost is negligible

Gil: Impl cost of GetStatus is low
... optional features in the spec are bad
... Support GetStatus

TomRutt: +1
... GetStatus is fundamental

Bob: So we agree we can drop Renew

Doug: I don't think Renew is that critical but easy to implement

<Tom_Rutt> +1 to dug on keeping renew

Bob: You want to keep the whole set

Wu: Originally Renew and GetStatus were optional

Bob: Any objection toclosing with no action

Wu: We would like only 2 operations subscribe/unsubscribe

TomRutt: Optionality is evil

<gpilz> +1 to Tom

<dug> +1 to tom

<asoldano> +1

TomRutt: cost to implement is very low

Bob: CNA?

RESOLUTION: No objections. Issue 9781 closed with no action
... Issue 9781 closed with no action

-Issue-8284 All: references to WSDL 1.1 should be to BP-corrected version http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8284 -Pilz (BP 1.2 and 2.0 status)

Ram: There will a proposal soon.

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Doug to write up some abstracts [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-ws-ra-minutes.html#action01]
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