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TAG_Weekly

17 Nov 2011

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Attendees

Present
Noah_Mendelsohn, Ashok_Malhotra, Jeni_Tennison, Dan_Appelquist, Yves_Lafon, Henry_Thompson
Regrets
Jonathan_Rees, Larry_Masinter, TimBL, Peter_Linss
Chair
Noah
Scribe
Ashok

Contents


<scribe> scribe: Ashok

<scribe> scribenick: Ashok

Convene/Admin

<noah> Minutes of 27 October: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/10/27-minutes

RESOLUTION: Minutes of 27 October are approved

<noah> Minutes of TPAC 31 - 4 November: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/10/31-agenda

RESOLUTION: Minutes of 4 November are approved

<noah> Minutes of 10 November: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/11/10-minutes

RESOLUTION: Minutes of 10 November are approved

No call next week -- U.S. Thanksgiving!

Next call December 1

<noah> DanA probably can't scribe on 1 Dec. Possible regrets.

ACTION-630

<trackbot> ACTION-630 -- Ashok Malhotra to draft note to Web apps on Appcache/local store relationship, post to tag@w3.org for TAG approval Due: 2011-11-11 -- due 2011-11-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/630

<noah> close ACTION-630

<trackbot> ACTION-630 Draft note to Web apps on Appcache/local store relationship, post to tag@w3.org for TAG approval Due: 2011-11-11 closed

<JeniT> +1

Ashok: +1

Noah: TAG Election: encourage AC representatives to put forward nominations

Henry: Can I have 5 minutes to report on Domain Persistence Workshop?
... looking good but Semantic Web community is under-represented

<noah> ...and open data

Henry: we need people from that community

<DKA> +1 to Hadley

Discussion of possible Workshop attendees

ISSUE-60 (webApplicationState-60): Web Applications: Client-side state

Noah: Last draft was 9/30 comments allowed until 11/15
... we had 2 comments
... we discussed the two comments
... Incorporate the comments and ask commentors if they agree

Ashok: I will create a new draft by Dec 1

<noah> ACTION-597?

<trackbot> ACTION-597 -- Ashok Malhotra to publish a final draft for public review of the finding on Application State -- due 2011-09-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/597

Noah: Send the draft to the two commentors for their approval

<noah> ACTION-597 Due 2011-12-01

<trackbot> ACTION-597 Publish a final draft for public review of the finding on Application State due date now 2011-12-01

Noah: Yves, please check product page for client-side state

SPDY

<noah> ACTION-626?

<trackbot> ACTION-626 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of how, if at all, TAG should continue to be involved with SPDY -- due 2011-11-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/626

Noah: How should TAG be involved?

Yves: Concerns are being raised about HTTP 1.1 as it is being used tofay in Web Apps, etc.
... SPDY is one possible solution

Noah: Should we endorse SPDY as an answer?

<noah> Really, mainly Web apps? I thought it was also things like NYT home page which have tons of resources.

Yves: Characterize the problem ... HTTP overhead is an issue
... safety of data is another issue

<noah> From TPAC minutes quoting Mike Belshe:

<noah> "83 connections for the NYT home page puts really bad pressure on NAT"

Yves: How is Web being used, what are the problems

<noah> YL: Performance of HTTP is one aspect of what SPDY addresses, other is pervasive use of SSL with SPDY

Jeni: What does SPDY do and what other options are there?

<noah> Note that Jim Gettys has suggested that SPDY-like protocols help with "buffer bloat"

Jeni: How much is W3C role and how much is IETF?

<noah> NM: At TPAC, I think there was sentiment for a significnt W3C role

<Yves> It has effect in the whole stack, so yes we should track this, but it doesn't mean that the TAG will do the work

Dan: People including Tim wanted strong participation from W3C.

<JeniT> ACTION-618?

<trackbot> ACTION-618 -- Yves Lafon to with help from Larry, Noah, and Jeni to prepare analysis on development around HTTP, like spdy, ssl use, websocket... -- due 2011-11-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/618

Yves: I have an action to create a small document about SPDY and friends

Noah: Success would be if we can explain to W3C management what the opportunities are and what we recommend

Dan: This is urgent ... Google has deployed into several applications

<Yves> Amazon Silk also will use spdy

Dan: and several others

Noah: They said they were ready to put this into Standards space and it may change in the process

<noah> ACTION-626?

<trackbot> ACTION-626 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of how, if at all, TAG should continue to be involved with SPDY -- due 2011-11-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/626

Overdue Action Items

<noah> close ACTION-626

<trackbot> ACTION-626 Schedule discussion of how, if at all, TAG should continue to be involved with SPDY closed

Noah: Close 626 ... we have followup action to Yves

<noah> ACTION-572?

<trackbot> ACTION-572 -- Yves Lafon to look at appcache in HTML5 -- due 2011-10-04 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/572

<noah> ACTION-572 Due 2011-11-29

<trackbot> ACTION-572 Look at appcache in HTML5 due date now 2011-11-29

<noah> ACTION-404?

<trackbot> ACTION-404 -- Yves Lafon to track HTML WG ISSUE-27 rel-ownership -- due 2011-09-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/404

<noah> ACTION-404 Due 2012-02-07

<trackbot> ACTION-404 Track HTML WG ISSUE-27 rel-ownership due date now 2012-02-07

<noah> ACTION-523?

<trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Noah) build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top questions to be answered on client side storage -- due 2011-08-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523

Ashok: We need to think about our direction on client-side storage

Noah: Can you write mail framing the discussion?

<noah> ACTION: Ashok Frame issues around client-side storage work Due 2011-12-06 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/11/17-minutes#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-632 - Frame issues around client-side storage work Due 2011-12-06 [on Ashok Malhotra - due 2011-11-24].

<noah> ACTION-632 Due 2011-12-06

<trackbot> ACTION-632 Frame issues around client-side storage work Due 2011-12-06 due date now 2011-12-06

<noah> ACTION-523 Due 2011-12-20

<trackbot> ACTION-523 (with help from Noah) build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top questions to be answered on client side storage due date now 2011-12-20

<noah> ACTION-475?

<trackbot> ACTION-475 -- Ashok Malhotra to write finding on client-side storage, DanA to review -- due 2011-08-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/475

<noah> AM: We should close pending analysis of what we want to do in this area, see ACTION-632

<noah> Product page: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/clientsidestorage.html

Ashok: Shall we close this? Overtaken by 623.

<noah> This proposed product page has not yet been reviewed by Ashok Malhotra or other TAG members

<noah> close ACTION-475

<trackbot> ACTION-475 Write finding on client-side storage, DanA to review closed

<noah> ACTION-528?

<trackbot> ACTION-528 -- Henry Thompson to create and get consensus on a product page and tracker product page for persistence of names -- due 2011-10-04 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/528

<noah> HT: I should get back to that.

<noah> ACTION-528 Due 2011-11-29

<trackbot> ACTION-528 Create and get consensus on a product page and tracker product page for persistence of names due date now 2011-11-29

<noah> ACTION-617 Due 2011-12-15

<trackbot> ACTION-617 Work with Yves to take http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/ off the Rec track due date now 2011-12-15

<noah> ACTION-501?

<trackbot> ACTION-501 -- Noah Mendelsohn to follow up on whether GeoLocation finds reasonable answer on giving permission per site/app etc [self-assigned] -- due 2011-10-25 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/501

<noah> AM: They've gone to last call.

<noah> AM: Or about to...

<noah> AM: Want our feedback....

<noah> Assigning 501 to Ashok.

<JeniT> AM: Is there anyone else interested in this; it has to do with privacy?

<noah> ACTION-501?

<trackbot> ACTION-501 -- Ashok Malhotra to follow up on whether GeoLocation finds reasonable answer on giving permission per site/app etc [self-assigned] -- due 2011-12-06 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/501

<noah> ACTION: Ashok to drive TAG review of Geolocation last call Due 2011-12-06 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/11/17-minutes#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-633 - Drive TAG review of Geolocation last call Due 2011-12-06 [on Ashok Malhotra - due 2011-11-24].

<noah> ACTION-633 Due 2011-12-06

<trackbot> ACTION-633 Drive TAG review of Geolocation last call Due 2011-12-06 due date now 2011-12-06

Noah: Question was "are permissions by site or by URI stem etc."

<noah> ACTION-602?

<trackbot> ACTION-602 -- Noah Mendelsohn to work with IETF liaisons to propose possible TAG participation in IETF Paris -- due 2011-11-04 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/602

<noah> ACTION-621?

<trackbot> ACTION-621 -- Noah Mendelsohn to with Dan to figure out whether we want a TAG bof at TPAC -- due 2011-10-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/621

<noah> close ACTION-621

<trackbot> ACTION-621 With Dan to figure out whether we want a TAG bof at TPAC closed

<noah> ACTION-601?

<trackbot> ACTION-601 -- Noah Mendelsohn to document in product pages wrapup of HTML5 last call work, leading to HTML next review -- due 2011-10-21 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/601

<noah> ACTION-601 Due 2011-12-13

<trackbot> ACTION-601 Document in product pages wrapup of HTML5 last call work, leading to HTML next review due date now 2011-12-13

<noah> ACTION-591?

<trackbot> ACTION-591 -- Noah Mendelsohn to ping Norm end of Sept. on revised HTML/XML report per discussion on 1 Sept 2011 -- due 2011-10-21 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/591

<noah> ACTION-591 Due 2011-11-23

<trackbot> ACTION-591 Ping Norm end of Sept. on revised HTML/XML report per discussion on 1 Sept 2011 due date now 2011-11-23

<noah> ACTION-536?

<trackbot> ACTION-536 -- Noah Mendelsohn to work with HST to identify a way forward wrt interaction -- due 2011-10-11 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/536

<noah> close ACTION-536

<trackbot> ACTION-536 Work with HST to identify a way forward wrt interaction closed

<noah> ACTION-619?

<trackbot> ACTION-619 -- Henry Thompson to report on status of 3023bis after TPAC -- due 2011-11-15 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/619

<noah> ACTION-619 Due 2011-12-13

<trackbot> ACTION-619 Report on status of 3023bis after TPAC due date now 2011-12-13

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Ashok Frame issues around client-side storage work Due 2011-12-06 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/11/17-minutes#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Ashok to drive TAG review of Geolocation last call Due 2011-12-06 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/11/17-minutes#action02]
 
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