TAG Weekly

<skw> Scribe: Dan Connolly

Convene

<jar> i'm here

PROPOSED: to accept http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-tagmem-minutes

RESOLVED to approve version of 2008/11/14 12:40:01

27th Nov cancelled

RESOLUTION: to meet 4 Dec, Noah to scribe

Issue tagSoupIntegration-54

action-188?

<trackbot> ACTION-188 -- Dan Connolly to investigate the URL/IRI/Larry Masinter possible resolution of the URL/HTML5 issue. -- due 2008-11-19 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/188

http://homer.w3.org/~connolly/projects/urlp/raw-file/tip/tinker.html

(scribe is negligent at this point; needs help)

<skw> DanC demonstrates his progress on issue-188 by reference to the above page.

<skw> Presents Javascript parsing of ABNF grammar to construct exploded grammar(??)

<skw> Headed toward compiling to a regexp.

<skw> ht: CMSMCQ started along a similar path a year or two back

<skw> Some discussion of prgamatics - and multiple parsing of ??

<skw> danc: TAG visted HTML-WG to discuss splitting the spec.

<DanC_> HTML5 Specification - List of sections and corresponding work estimates Ian Hickson (Monday, 27 October)

<skw> ... Ian Hickson has offer estaimates of workload/expertise to split the editing task.

<jar> I fear I don't have enough of a big picture view to understand why 2.5.2 and following are so hairy. But no one would do this voluntarily, so something must be going on.

<skw> danc: thinks that good technical writers can add alot to a document without being subject experts.

<ht> HST notes that "Legacy extended IRIs for XML resource identification" http://www.w3.org/TR/leiri/ is relevant here

<skw> ht: Ian Hickson agreed that the LEIRI spec addresses the promblem of spaces in URI, but not the problem of document character encoding inparameter strings

<Zakim> DanC, you wanted to note james clark's http://blog.jclark.com/2008/11/what-allowed-in-uri.html

<jar> The strings "html" and "browser" do not occur in the jclark post

<skw> You can find him at: jeremy (at) topquadrant.com

action-188?

<trackbot> ACTION-188 -- Dan Connolly to investigate the URL/IRI/Larry Masinter possible resolution of the URL/HTML5 issue. -- due 2008-11-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/188

action-188 due 31 Dec 2008

<trackbot> ACTION-188 Investigate the URL/IRI/Larry Masinter possible resolution of the URL/HTML5 issue. due date now 31 Dec 2008

action-188?

<trackbot> ACTION-188 -- Dan Connolly to investigate the URL/IRI/Larry Masinter possible resolution of the URL/HTML5 issue. -- due 2008-12-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/188

action-188 due 27 Nov 2008

<trackbot> ACTION-188 Investigate the URL/IRI/Larry Masinter possible resolution of the URL/HTML5 issue. due date now 27 Nov 2008

DanC: Mike's action from the joint ftf is now done.

<skw> danc: Mike Smith as completed his HTML-WG action itemto motivate HTML WG discussion of spec modularization.

HT: the public-html thread includes discussion of XML error handling

(mike smith's action, to wit: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/77 )

<ht> Here's pointer to (near) the beginning of the error handling thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Nov/0102.html

Issue uriBasedPackageAccess-61

<skw> partial survey: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2008Oct/0126.html

earlier discussion; http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2008/11/06-minutes#item05

<DanC_> ZIP-based packages and URI references into them ODF proposal Larry Masinter (Friday, 31 October)

<skw> Found: http://www.w3.org/2008/10/20-wam-minutes.html#item12

<DanC_> "DanC: and the fact that it's not easily guessable

<DanC_> ... if that it's not easily guessable is a requirement

<DanC_> ... then that rules out domain names."

<DanC_> MC: we want to finish this within 3 months.

<DanC_> DanC: are there any test cases for this?

<DanC_> MC: no

<DanC_> ... we're starting an implementation now"

<scribe> ACTION: stuart to notify webapps wg that TAG is unlikely to meet the 3 month timeframe and ask for notification when tests relevant to widget URIs become available [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-tagmem-irc]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-196 - Notify webapps wg that TAG is unlikely to meet the 3 month timeframe and ask for notification when tests relevant to widget URIs become available [on Stuart Williams - due 2008-11-27].

Safe Javascript and web apps security

<timbl> Zaim, mute whoever is making noise

<noah> Noah joins the call.

http://www.w3.org/TR/access-control/#requirements

http://www.w3.org/TR/access-control/#use-cases

timbl: the "access control spec" has a misnomer for a name
... I'm not sure adding domains to the model improves things

<jar> I'm totally confused on the relation between the W3C effort on safe javascript, Crockford, and Google (Mark Miller / Caja).

DanC: thanks for getting some requirements in the access control spec
... DaveO

http://www.w3.org/TR/access-control/#use-cases

TimBL: yes, that 1st bullet is a sentence; read a comma before "this"

DanC: OK.

"If the contacts part of an e-mail application allows a social networking site to add contacts, this could be done through a cross-site PUT requests."

(timbl has told me a story about fedex and AA.com that I grokked on some days.)

F2F Tue-Thu 9-11 Dec 2008 Planning

<timbl> Pointer to survey?

<timbl> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34270/F2FPriorities200812/

SKW: we have one more pre-ftf telcon, 4 Dev
... agenda is due at T-14 days, 27 Nov

<skw> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34270/F2FPriorities200812/

action-194?

<trackbot> ACTION-194 -- Noah Mendelsohn to revise Self-Describing Web Draft Finding in response to September 2008 F2F meeting -- due 2008-11-25 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/194

<jar> nov 25 = 2 weeks before f2f

http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34270/F2FPriorities200812/results

http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34270/F2FPriorities200812/

http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34270/F2FPriorities200812/results

<Ashok> Sorry, guys .... gotta go!

action-194 due 5 Dec 2008

hello? trackbot?

<trackbot> ACTION-194 Revise Self-Describing Web Draft Finding in response to September 2008 F2F meeting due date now 5 Dec 2008

<timbl> The Abstract and Intro of aCaja look actually rather interesting. "Caja represents our discovery that a subset of JavaScript is an object-capability language"

<jar> The Caja principal (Mark S Miller) is involved in Ecmascript standards process...

ACTION-183 due 2 Dec 2008

<trackbot> ACTION-183 Incorporate formalism into versioning compatibility strategies due date now 2 Dec 2008

<jar> I think it would be a mistake for the web apps WG to overlook Caja

Caja... quite... pls note that in a comment in the survey

<timbl> "Caja is an enforced subset of JavaScript we designed to make as

<timbl> little impact as possible on regular JavaScript programming.."

<jar> OK, thanks

ADJOURN.