Re: shapes-ISSUE-209 (What is a shape?): What is a shape [SHACL Spec]

Shapes can be subjects and objects of triples. A shape can't be a literal.

 If it helps, the spec could say that a shape is either an IRI or an anonymous node.

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> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:27 PM, Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net> wrote:
> 
> Uh, yes. But the question is about how shape is defined in SHACL, not what node means in RDF. When the document says "a shape is a node" is it defining a shape as either a subject, predicate or object? and does that also mean that a shape can be a literal? Because all of those are possible with the RDF definition of node.
> 
> kc
> 
>> On 12/1/16 10:20 AM, Irene Polikoff wrote:
>> A node can participate in multiple triples and play a different role in different triples, yet it is the same node and it can be talked about simply as a node in a graph. Talking about a node as a subject, object or a predicate makes sense only in a context of a specific triple.
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> One more thing - a node can be a subject, predicate or object. Would a node in predicate or object position define a shape? Can a shape be a literal?
>>> 
>>> Peter pointed this out in an earlier email, which I am still searching for.
>>> 
>>> kc
>>> 
>>>> On 11/28/16 9:04 AM, Karen Coyle wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/27/16 4:28 PM, Holger Knublauch wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 28/11/2016 8:33, Karen Coyle wrote:
>>>>>> There is a simple solution to this, and it follows in part the example
>>>>>> of the Annotations Working Group. Their spec defines a :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ***
>>>>>> An Annotation is a rooted, directed graph that represents a
>>>>>> relationship between resources.
>>>>>> There are two primary types of resource that participate in this
>>>>>> relationship, Bodies and Targets.
>>>>>> Annotations have 0 or more Bodies.
>>>>>> Annotations have 1 or more Targets.
>>>>>> ****
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> All that needs to be done is to define "shape" as a graph whose root
>>>>>> is a subject is of type sh:Shape, and has 0 or more targets and 1 or
>>>>>> more constraints.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This would not be correct. A shape doesn't need one or more constraints.
>>>>> sh:Shape is a subclass of sh:Constraint (which makes every shape
>>>>> automatically also a constraint), but this doesn't "do" anything by
>>>>> itself. Also the zero or more doesn't add anything. (Shapes may also
>>>>> have labels etc).
>>>> 
>>>> So drop the zero or more, but the spec itself says that shapes have
>>>> constraints:
>>>> 
>>>> "property constraints of the shape" (3.1.1)
>>>> 
>>>> Anyway, I'll take this to DCMI leadership. At this point, I can only say
>>>> that our needs are not being met.
>>>> 
>>>> kc
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> As always, the more complexity we are adding here, someone will find
>>>>> problems with it. And pointing out issues is trivial compared to getting
>>>>> everything right. That's why I would leave out anything that isn't
>>>>> formally needed. We can leave such explanatory prose to other documents,
>>>>> and if these other documents prefer to understand a shape as a
>>>>> collection of specific triples then fine.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Holger
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Really, that's all that is needed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> kc
>>>>>> p.s. I like the idea of the shape having a "root" node. I'm not sure
>>>>>> if something needs to be said about targets, which are also of
>>>>>> sh:Shape - is it necessary to say that they are not what is meant when
>>>>>> the spec talks about "shapes"?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 11/27/16 7:16 AM, Karen Coyle wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 11/26/16 3:08 PM, Holger Knublauch wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 25/11/2016 5:41, Irene Polikoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I took the initial question to be "when is a resource (or a node) a
>>>>>>>>> shape?". And not to be "what are all the triples that describe a
>>>>>>>>> shape?".
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> To me, these are two completely different questions. Colloquially
>>>>>>>>> speaking, shape may be said to be a set of triples. But writing a
>>>>>>>>> spec
>>>>>>>>> requires us to be precise. And precisely speaking, shape is not a set
>>>>>>>>> of triples, it is a node. Information about it is
>>>>>>>>> described/specified/defined using a set of triples.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thus, I would recommend closing the first question as resolved.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> As for the second question, why does it need to be answered? A more
>>>>>>>>> meaningful question may be "when is a shape graph sufficiently
>>>>>>>>> complete to be able to process it and what should a SHACL
>>>>>>>>> processor do
>>>>>>>>> when a shapes graph doesn't have all the necessary information"?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> For example, let's say a shapes graph contains only the following
>>>>>>>>> triples:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ex:PersonShape
>>>>>>>>>      a sh:Shape ;
>>>>>>>>>      sh:targetClass ex:Person ;
>>>>>>>>>      sh:property [
>>>>>>>>>          sh:predicate ex:worksFor;
>>>>>>>>>          sh:shape ex:OrganizationShape;
>>>>>>>>> ].
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This, to me, would be insufficient to do anything with since to
>>>>>>>>> validate data against it, we need to have a description of
>>>>>>>>> ex:OrganizationShape. What should happen in such cases?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This case is covered by the spec. It's simply a shape without
>>>>>>>> constraints, i.e. every node conforms to it. Yet it's syntactically
>>>>>>>> valid because the expected type of sh:shape is sh:Shape.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Other examples mentioned by Karen:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ex:ExampleShapeWithPropertyConstraints
>>>>>>>>>      a sh:Shape ;
>>>>>>>>>      sh:property [
>>>>>>>>>              sh:predicate ex:email ;
>>>>>>>>>              sh:name "e-mail" ;
>>>>>>>>>              sh:description "We need at least one email value" ;
>>>>>>>>>              sh:minCount 1 ;
>>>>>>>>>      ] ;
>>>>>>>>>      sh:property [
>>>>>>>>>              sh:path (ex:knows ex:email) ;
>>>>>>>>>              sh:name "Friend's e-mail" ;
>>>>>>>>>              sh:description "We need at least one email for
>>>>>>>>> everyone you know" ;
>>>>>>>>>              sh:minCount 1 ;
>>>>>>>>>      ] .
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> There is only one shape - ex:ExampleShapeWithPropertyConstraints. If
>>>>>>>>> this is all the content of a shapes graph, it is fine. All the
>>>>>>>>> information needed for validation is here.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ex:MyShape
>>>>>>>>>      a sh:Shape ;
>>>>>>>>>      sh:targetNode ex:MyInstance ;
>>>>>>>>>      sh:property [
>>>>>>>>>              # Violations of sh:minCount and sh:datatype are
>>>>>>>>> produced as warnings
>>>>>>>>>              sh:predicate ex:myProperty ;
>>>>>>>>>              sh:minCount 1 ;
>>>>>>>>>              sh:datatype xsd:string ;
>>>>>>>>>              sh:severity sh:Warning ;
>>>>>>>>>      ] ;
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> One shape - ex:MyShape. It refers to a target node. Target node is
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> a shape, it identifies a node in a data graph that is to be validated
>>>>>>>>> against a shape, so I am not sure what is the question.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ex:PersonShape
>>>>>>>>>      a sh:Shape ;
>>>>>>>>>      sh:targetClass ex:Person ;
>>>>>>>>>      sh:property ex:PersonShape-name .
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ex:PersonShape-name
>>>>>>>>>      a sh:PropertyConstraint ;
>>>>>>>>>      sh:predicate ex:name ;
>>>>>>>>>      sh:minCount 1 ;
>>>>>>>>>      sh:deactivated true .
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> There is only one shape - ex:PersonShape. All the information
>>>>>>>>> necessary for validation is present and, in fact, there would be
>>>>>>>>> automatic conformance since the only constraint is disabled. However,
>>>>>>>>> if a shapes graph only contained the following, validation would not
>>>>>>>>> be possible (I think):
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ex:PersonShape
>>>>>>>>>      a sh:Shape ;
>>>>>>>>>      sh:targetClass ex:Person ;
>>>>>>>>>      sh:property ex:PersonShape-name .
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> So, again, what should happen in these cases?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> All the examples above are for a single shape. In some of the
>>>>>>>>> examples
>>>>>>>>> information about it is complete enough to validate data against the
>>>>>>>>> shape. In others, it is not. We should also consider the fact that a
>>>>>>>>> shapes graph can and often will contain multiple shapes and some
>>>>>>>>> shapes may have sufficient description to validate against and others
>>>>>>>>> may not. Also, some shapes may have some information that can be
>>>>>>>>> checked and some that can't be. For example, given the shape graph
>>>>>>>>> below we would know enough to check conformance of values of
>>>>>>>>> ex:email,
>>>>>>>>> but not know enough to check values of ex:worksFor.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ex:PersonShape
>>>>>>>>>      a sh:Shape ;
>>>>>>>>>      sh:targetClass ex:Person ;
>>>>>>>>>      sh:property [
>>>>>>>>>          sh:predicate ex:worksFor;
>>>>>>>>>          sh:shape ex:OrganizationShape;
>>>>>>>>> ];
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>      sh:property [
>>>>>>>>>              sh:path (ex:knows ex:email) ;
>>>>>>>>>              sh:name "Friend's e-mail" ;
>>>>>>>>>              sh:description "We need at least one email for
>>>>>>>>> everyone you know" ;
>>>>>>>>>              sh:minCount 1 ;
>>>>>>>>>      ] .
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> So, one proposal may be as follows:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If a shapes graph contains any shapes that are insufficiently
>>>>>>>>> specified, processing doesn't happen and SHACL engine returns an
>>>>>>>>> error.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The spec mentions several conditions under which a shapes graph is
>>>>>>>> invalid. These are typically written as "a shape must ...".
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On the more general topic of node vs triples, I find this rather
>>>>>>>> philosophical. The spec is pretty clear about what happens in each
>>>>>>>> context. Which triples "belong" to a shape is following from that, but
>>>>>>>> not valuable on its own right.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The spec is not "pretty clear" and this is not "philosophical" - it has
>>>>>>> to be clear *to all* what is being described in the spec. Insisting
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> the spec is ok when others are saying it is not is one of the things
>>>>>>> that is making the progress very slow. It is incredibly generous of
>>>>>>> people to be putting time into trying to make it actually clear, but,
>>>>>>> personally, I'm running out of steam. However, note that DCMI will not
>>>>>>> approve a highly flawed spec.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> kc
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Holger
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Another proposal may be:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Data is processed against shapes that are sufficiently specified.
>>>>>>>>> Warning is issued regarding shapes that are insufficiently specified
>>>>>>>>> and, thus, ignored.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Yet another proposal may be:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Data is processed against shapes that are sufficiently specified.
>>>>>>>>> Warning is issued regarding shapes that are insufficiently specified.
>>>>>>>>> SHACL processor will perform as much validation as it able to against
>>>>>>>>> insufficiently specified shapes.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Of course, we would need to define what it means to be
>>>>>>>>> "insufficiently
>>>>>>>>> specified".
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  Actually, I don't think this solves the problem that came up at
>>>>>>>>>  the meeting. As we discussed in the meeting, the conflict is
>>>>>>>>>  between a node, which is a single IRI, and a graph, which is a
>>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>>  of triples. Throughout the document, the term "shape" is used to
>>>>>>>>>  refer to more than a single IRI.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  The statement below could be used for how a shape is identified
>>>>>>>>>  (although I think we should discuss that further) but does not
>>>>>>>>>  define how one finds the finite boundaries of the set of triples
>>>>>>>>>  that is used as an instrument to define the validation rules that
>>>>>>>>>  will be applied to a data graph.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  Something that was said in the meeting made me think that
>>>>>>>>> defining
>>>>>>>>>  where a shape ends is as important as defining where it begins.
>>>>>>>>>  (Note that in this case I am speaking of a shape as a set of
>>>>>>>>>  triples, not a node - we know where a node ends, because it is a
>>>>>>>>>  single point.)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  In an example like this (taken from the spec), I assume that this
>>>>>>>>>  represents a single shape:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  ex:ExampleShapeWithPropertyConstraints
>>>>>>>>>          a sh:Shape ;
>>>>>>>>>          sh:property [
>>>>>>>>>                  sh:predicate ex:email ;
>>>>>>>>>                  sh:name "e-mail" ;
>>>>>>>>>                  sh:description "We need at least one email
>>>>>>>>> value" ;
>>>>>>>>>                  sh:minCount 1 ;
>>>>>>>>>          ] ;
>>>>>>>>>          sh:property [
>>>>>>>>>                  sh:path (ex:knows ex:email) ;
>>>>>>>>>                  sh:name "Friend's e-mail" ;
>>>>>>>>>                  sh:description "We need at least one email for
>>>>>>>>>  everyone you know" ;
>>>>>>>>>                  sh:minCount 1 ;
>>>>>>>>>          ] .
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  Where there is a target, which is also a shape, is this one or
>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>  shapes? And if two, what are the boundaries of each?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  ex:MyShape
>>>>>>>>>          a sh:Shape ;
>>>>>>>>>          sh:targetNode ex:MyInstance ;
>>>>>>>>>          sh:property [
>>>>>>>>>                  # Violations of sh:minCount and sh:datatype are
>>>>>>>>>  produced as warnings
>>>>>>>>>                  sh:predicate ex:myProperty ;
>>>>>>>>>                  sh:minCount 1 ;
>>>>>>>>>                  sh:datatype xsd:string ;
>>>>>>>>>                  sh:severity sh:Warning ;
>>>>>>>>>          ] ;
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  The following is an example of the case that I believe was
>>>>>>>>>  intended at the meeting. The question is whether this is one
>>>>>>>>> shape
>>>>>>>>>  or two? And if it is two, how is that distinguished from the
>>>>>>>>> shape
>>>>>>>>>  immediately above that has a target?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  ex:PersonShape
>>>>>>>>>          a sh:Shape ;
>>>>>>>>>          sh:targetClass ex:Person ;
>>>>>>>>>          sh:property ex:PersonShape-name .
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  ex:PersonShape-name
>>>>>>>>>          a sh:PropertyConstraint ;
>>>>>>>>>          sh:predicate ex:name ;
>>>>>>>>>          sh:minCount 1 ;
>>>>>>>>>          sh:deactivated true .
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  If this seems petty, remember that throughout, the document
>>>>>>>>> refers
>>>>>>>>>  to a thing called "shape" and all of the understanding of the
>>>>>>>>>  document depends on the reader understanding exactly what that
>>>>>>>>> means.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  kc
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  On 11/23/16 7:34 PM, Holger Knublauch wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>      Done.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>      Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>      Holger
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>      On 24/11/2016 13:32, Irene Polikoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>          I suggest changing
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>          <A shape can be a node
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#m_1017120090268237992_dfn-node
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#m_1017120090268237992_dfn-node>>
>>>>>>>>>          in
>>>>>>>>>          a shapes graph
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#m_1017120090268237992_dfn-shapes-graph
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#m_1017120090268237992_dfn-shapes-graph>>.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>          A node is a shape if and only if it fulfills either of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>          following
>>>>>>>>>          conditions in the shapes graph:>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>          to
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>          <A shape is a node
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#m_1017120090268237992_dfn-node
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#m_1017120090268237992_dfn-node>>
>>>>>>>>>          in
>>>>>>>>>          a shapes graph
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#m_1017120090268237992_dfn-shapes-graph
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#m_1017120090268237992_dfn-shapes-graph>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>          that
>>>>>>>>>          fulfills either of the following conditions:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>          On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Holger Knublauch
>>>>>>>>>          <holger@topquadrant.com <mailto:holger@topquadrant.com>
>>>>>>>>>          <mailto:holger@topquadrant.com
>>>>>>>>>          <mailto:holger@topquadrant.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>              The current definition in 2.1 reads
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>              A shape can be a node
>>>>>>>>> <#m_1017120090268237992_dfn-node> in
>>>>>>>>>              a shapes graph
>>>>>>>>>          <#m_1017120090268237992_dfn-shapes-graph> that is
>>>>>>>>>              a SHACL instance
>>>>>>>>> <#m_1017120090268237992_dfn-shacl-instance> of
>>>>>>>>>          |sh:Shape|; or it
>>>>>>>>>              can be a node so that the expected type
>>>>>>>>> <#m_1017120090268237992_dfn-expected-type> of the node
>>>>>>>>>              is |sh:Shape|, or a node that has a value
>>>>>>>>>              <#m_1017120090268237992_dfn-values> for a target
>>>>>>>>>              <#m_1017120090268237992_dfn-target> property such
>>>>>>>>>              as |sh:targetClass| in the shapes graph
>>>>>>>>> <#m_1017120090268237992_dfn-shapes-graph>.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>              These are all (3) ways of how shapes are
>>>>>>>>> identified. I
>>>>>>>>>          have just
>>>>>>>>>              added some precision based on the newly introduced
>>>>>>>>> term
>>>>>>>>>              shape-expecting constraint parameters, and explicitly
>>>>>>>>>          enumerated
>>>>>>>>>              the target properties. The definition now reads
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>              A shape can be a node
>>>>>>>>> <#m_1017120090268237992_dfn-node> in
>>>>>>>>>              a shapes graph
>>>>>>>>>          <#m_1017120090268237992_dfn-shapes-graph>. A node
>>>>>>>>>              is a shape if and only if it fulfills either of the
>>>>>>>>>          following
>>>>>>>>>              conditions in the shapes graph:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>                * the node is a SHACL instance
>>>>>>>>> <#m_1017120090268237992_dfn-shacl-instance> of
>>>>>>>>>          |sh:Shape|
>>>>>>>>>                * the node has the expected type
>>>>>>>>> <#m_1017120090268237992_dfn-expected-type>
>>>>>>>>>          |sh:Shape|, which
>>>>>>>>>                  is the case if it is used as a value of
>>>>>>>>>          shape-expecting
>>>>>>>>>                  constraint parameters
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <#m_1017120090268237992_dfn-shape-expecting-constraint-parameters>
>>>>>>>>>          such
>>>>>>>>>                  as |sh:shape| (in the case of the list-valued
>>>>>>>>>                  parameters |sh:and|, |sh:or| and
>>>>>>>>> |sh:partition| it
>>>>>>>>>          must be a
>>>>>>>>>                  member of the corresponding lists)
>>>>>>>>>                * the node has a value
>>>>>>>>>          <#m_1017120090268237992_dfn-values> for
>>>>>>>>>                  any of the target
>>>>>>>>> <#m_1017120090268237992_dfn-target> properties
>>>>>>>>>          |sh:targetClass|, |sh:targetNode|, |sh:targetObjectsOf|,
>>>>>>>>>          |sh:targetSubjectsOf| and |sh:target|
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>              Change:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/commit/bec7b6852529acc80954dbc38cf4e435861238a2
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/commit/bec7b6852529acc80954dbc38cf4e435861238a2>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/commit/bec7b6852529acc80954dbc38cf4e435861238a2
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/commit/bec7b6852529acc80954dbc38cf4e435861238a2>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>              I'd appreciate if WG members could double check this
>>>>>>>>>          definition.
>>>>>>>>>              Meanwhile I have turned the change above into a
>>>>>>>>>          PROPOSAL for a
>>>>>>>>>              future meeting:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> https://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/wiki/Proposals#ISSUE-209:_What_is_a_shape
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/wiki/Proposals#ISSUE-209:_What_is_a_shape>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/wiki/Proposals#ISSUE-209:_What_is_a_shape
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/wiki/Proposals#ISSUE-209:_What_is_a_shape>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>              Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>              Holger
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>              On 24/11/2016 9:49, Irene Polikoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>                  I believe the question is "How do I know that a
>>>>>>>>>              node is a
>>>>>>>>>                  shape?". The spec says that it is "typically" a
>>>>>>>>>              SHACL instance of
>>>>>>>>>                  sh:Shape. This is one way, but not the definitive
>>>>>>>>>              way (because of
>>>>>>>>>                  "typically") to determine that something is a
>>>>>>>>> shape.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>                  What are other ways? E.g., any subject of a
>>>>>>>>> triple
>>>>>>>>>              with one of
>>>>>>>>>                  the SHACL target or constraint predicates is a
>>>>>>>>> shape.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>                  On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 3:58 PM, RDF Data Shapes
>>>>>>>>>              Working Group
>>>>>>>>>                  Issue Tracker <sysbot+tracker@w3.org
>>>>>>>>>              <mailto:sysbot%2Btracker@w3.org>
>>>>>>>>>                  <mailto:sysbot+tracker@w3.org
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sysbot%2Btracker@w3.org>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>                      shapes-ISSUE-209 (What is a shape?): What
>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>              shape [SHACL Spec]
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/track/issues/209
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/track/issues/209>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/track/issues/209
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/track/issues/209>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>                      Raised by: Karen Coyle
>>>>>>>>>                      On product: SHACL Spec
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>                      Peter's mail:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-shapes/2016Oct/0029.html
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-shapes/2016Oct/0029.html>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-shapes/2016Oct/0029.html
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-shapes/2016Oct/0029.html>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>                      "Just what are shapes?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>                      The terminology section says:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>                      "Shape
>>>>>>>>>                      A shape is a node in a shapes graph that is
>>>>>>>>>              typically a SHACL
>>>>>>>>>                      instance of
>>>>>>>>>                      sh:Shape. A shape provides a collection of
>>>>>>>>>              targets, filters,
>>>>>>>>>                      constraints and
>>>>>>>>>                      parameters of constraint components that
>>>>>>>>>              specify how a data
>>>>>>>>>                      graph is
>>>>>>>>>                      validated against the shape. Shapes can also
>>>>>>>>>              provide
>>>>>>>>>                      non-validating
>>>>>>>>>                      information, such as labels and comments."
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>                      Section 2 says:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>                      "Shapes define constraints that a set of
>>>>>>>>> focus
>>>>>>>>>              nodes can be
>>>>>>>>>                      validated
>>>>>>>>>                      against."
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>                      This doesn't, however, provide guidance in
>>>>>>>>>              determining what
>>>>>>>>>                      the shapes in a
>>>>>>>>>                      shapes graph are."
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>                      (more in the email)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  --
>>>>>>>>>  Karen Coyle
>>>>>>>>>  kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> http://kcoyle.net
>>>>>>>>>  m: 1-510-435-8234 <tel:1-510-435-8234>
>>>>>>>>>  skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 <tel:%2B1-510-984-3600>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Karen Coyle
>>> kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
>>> m: 1-510-435-8234
>>> skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
> 
> -- 
> Karen Coyle
> kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
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